AO R3: Rafael Nadal (ESP [2] vs. Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) [27]

Who will win?

  • Nadal in 3

    Votes: 9 23.7%

  • Nadal in 4

    Votes: 19 50.0%

  • Nadal in 5

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • Kohlschreiber in 3

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • Kohlschreiber in 4

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Kohlschreiber in 5

    Votes: 3 7.9%
  • Total voters
    38
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TennisandMusic

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malakas said:
LOL roflmao. :lol: :mrgreen:
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Why is that funny? He's going to be 24 this year right? His game is still predicated on way too much defense and we can literally see him slowing down and making more errors (his strokes require more energy too) than he ever has. Why couldn't it happen?
 
Love Game

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malakas said:
I slept for 3 hours and then wake up to study for 5 hours and here I am,so pardon me if i'm a little b!tchy now.:p

hope kohl gives me at least a present.but not likely!
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oh my gosh. you're amazing!!!

Poor Kohli ... his forehand deserted him last game and he lost serve ... Rafa serving for the match
 
malakas

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TennisandMusic said:
Why is that funny? He's going to be 24 this year right? His game is still predicated on way too much defense and we can literally see him slowing down and making more errors (his strokes require more energy too) than he ever has. Why couldn't it happen?
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nadal has lost how many matches on clay again??:roll: the currently no.2 player and GS holder a no factor anymore :rolleyes:
 
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malakas said:
nadal has lost how many matches on clay again??:roll: the currently no.2 player and GS holder a no factor anymore :rolleyes:
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Wait...those are past results. He got creamed at the US Open. Look at his recent results. Not very good. He went 0-3 at the year end masters. I can see him getting to a lot of 4th rounds, some quarters, and a few semi's but I am not sure I see him winning any more unless something DRASTICALLY changes in how he is playing.

Also, if he loses this match he could end up at Number 5.

Malakas, do you play tennis?
 
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malakas said:
oh noesss...the washed up old nonfactor about towin!!:shock: can't be!
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It would be cool if you could counter what I'm saying with reasoning and not mocking. You really don't seem to understand the points I've made, because they are pretty salient.

Well Nadal wins, but in a very unimpressive fashion.
 
nabbydian

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nadal has won the match - Kohli put up a decent account of himself but it was never going to be a repeat of his match against Roddick
 
abmk

abmk

Bionic Poster
nadal serves it out. He served very smartly - it kept him in inspite of his inconsistent groundstrokes in this match
 
shadows

shadows

Legend
Entertaining match, Rafa will need to step it up for the next rounds (well maybe not the next round). Some moments of brilliance, and some moment of silliness, but all in all a fun match to watch.
 
malakas

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TennisandMusic said:
Wait...those are past results. He got creamed at the US Open. Look at his recent results. Not very good. He went 0-3 at the year end masters. I can see him getting to a lot of 4th rounds, some quarters, and a few semi's but I am not sure I see him winning any more unless something DRASTICALLY changes in how he is playing.

Also, if he loses this match he could end up at Number 5.

Malakas, do you play tennis?
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here we go now with personal attacks,no?yes I do play tennis.I'm not good but I try.:)

Past results??like doha no? recent results..uhm yes..the recent clay results were very impressive.

No no if he loses this match he can only fall to no.3.To no.5 he can fall after AO if he doesn't perform.But then he's got a ton of points to gain in the second part of the season-whereas DelPo and Fed can lose a lot.
 
cucio

cucio

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Well, there it goes. At least PK made it a bit interesting, things looked bleak for him after the 2nd set. Patchy tennis overall, both played braindead at times, but there were some great shots too.
 
Cyan

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Rafa has a tough draw, ITF don't like him. At least he did not get upset by Schumi's long lost bro like Rod at the AO and Nole at the FO.
 
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malakas said:
here we go now with personal attacks,no?yes I do play tennis.I'm not good but I try.:)

Past results??like doha no? recent results..uhm yes..the recent clay results were very impressive.

No no if he loses this match he can only fall to no.3.To no.5 he can fall after AO if he doesn't perform.But then he's got a ton of points to gain in the second part of the season-whereas DelPo and Fed can lose a lot.
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How is it a personal attack to ask if you play tennis? lol. People generally have a much greater understanding of something if they actually participate in said activity...such as tennis....or music! ;-)

His recent clay results were bad (FO), but he was having knee problems in Madrid and RG. Clay will always be his best surface in terms of instincts etc, but I dunno about his physicality. He has also been at the top of the game for just about as long as Federer...to expect another 2-3 years of being at the top is simply asking too much. Almost no one does that. Or maybe NO ONE does that actually.

But tell me, with an aging Nadal whose game is based on speed, energy and superb defense why do you expect him to be an expected winner in future majors? I'm starting to see his decline personally...he doesn't play anything like he did in 2008, which was more offensive with much better movement...
 
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TennisandMusic said:
How is it a personal attack to ask if you play tennis? lol. People generally have a much greater understanding of something if they actually participate in said activity...such as tennis....or music! ;-)

His recent clay results were bad (FO), but he was having knee problems in Madrid and RG. Clay will always be his best surface in terms of instincts etc, but I dunno about his physicality.

But tell me, with an aging Nadal whose game is based on speed, energy and superb defense why do you expect him to be an expected winner in future majors? I'm starting to see his decline personally...he doesn't play anything like he did in 2008...
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Right, that's why he can hardly gain any points on clay until RG... If you think that's bad you'll be very disappointed in the next few years.
 
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mandy01 said:
tennisandmusic-you cant be serious :shock:
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We shall see. I never said I was CERTAIN, just that I am getting that feeling based on how I see him moving, hitting the ball, his demeanor, his results etc. It's not like I want it to happen, but...we shall see...that's all I'm saying...
 
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MichaelNadal said:
Im not one of the fans that talks about "cakewalk draws", a draw is just that... a random luck of the draw. It is what it is... Ivo and Murray are not good matches for him.
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I usually don't use that either. Fact is Nadal had some very easy draws on hardcourt in the last few years. This years AO draw isn't that difficult either.

I bet Nadal is VERY happy that Davydenko is not in his quater and that JMDP is playing way below his level of the tailend of 09.
 
MichaelNadal

MichaelNadal

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dropshot winner said:
I usually don't use that either. Fact is Nadal had some very easy draws on hardcourt in the last few years. This years AO draw isn't that difficult either.

I bet Nadal is VERY happy that Davydenko is not in his quater and that JMDP is playing way below his level of the tailend of 09.
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All I know is if Rafa wins the AO this year, just like in 09, he is a bad ***** lol.
 
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dropshot winner said:
Right, that's why he can hardly gain any points on clay until RG... If you think that's bad you'll be very disappointed in the next few years.
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For him it was bad. Losing at Madrid wasn't so bad aside from playing kinda crappy, but his most recent results at the FO were quite bad for him. Also his play in earlier events, even though he won, was not that great. It was plainly visible he wasn't playing as well as he did in 2008. And he lost a ton of points during the clay season because of RG...

And yeah, that's what I'm saying I am seeing his decline right here and now. So of course his results in the future compared to the past will be horrendous. Right? That's the point.

You guys have to stop looking at past results or thinking that things are static. Of course Nadal played awesome in the past. But that doesn't mean anything at all now. Unless something drastically changes the Nadal that some people love is just gone.
 
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dropshot winner said:
I usually don't use that either. Fact is Nadal had some very easy draws on hardcourt in the last few years. This years AO draw isn't that difficult either.

I bet Nadal is VERY happy that Davydenko is not in his quater and that JMDP is playing way below his level of the tailend of 09.
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I dunno man, Murray as a Q is a nightmare. The matches I've seen him play, he is looking scary good. I could see a Federer-Murray final quite easily. I would like to see a Roddick Nadal final though. When was the last time they played each other in a major?
 
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TennisandMusic said:
For him it was bad. Losing at Madrid wasn't so bad aside from playing kinda crappy, but his most recent results at the FO were quite bad for him. Also his play in earlier events, even though he won, was not that great. It was plainly visible he wasn't playing as well as he did in 2008. And he lost a ton of points during the clay season because of RG...

And yeah, that's what I'm saying I am seeing his decline right here and now. So of course his results in the future compared to the past will be horrendous. Right? That's the point.

You guys have to stop looking at past results or thinking that things are static. Of course Nadal played awesome in the past. But that doesn't mean anything at all now. Unless something drastically changes the Nadal that some people love is just gone.
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Why? Because he had a bad 6 mos? So did Federer. So did Davydenko.
 
kOaMaster

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TennisandMusic said:
For him it was bad. Losing at Madrid wasn't so bad aside from playing kinda crappy, but his most recent results at the FO were quite bad for him. Also his play in earlier events, even though he won, was not that great. It was plainly visible he wasn't playing as well as he did in 2008. And he lost a ton of points during the clay season because of RG...

And yeah, that's what I'm saying I am seeing his decline right here and now. So of course his results in the future compared to the past will be horrendous. Right? That's the point.

You guys have to stop looking at past results or thinking that things are static. Of course Nadal played awesome in the past. But that doesn't mean anything at all now. Unless something drastically changes the Nadal that some people love is just gone.
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that's about the same with federer - who is "on decline" but still number one. and nadal is still number two. I mean come on...their game was ridiculous above everyone else.
 
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dropshot winner said:
I usually don't use that either. Fact is Nadal had some very easy draws on hardcourt in the last few years. This years AO draw isn't that difficult either.

I bet Nadal is VERY happy that Davydenko is not in his quater and that JMDP is playing way below his level of the tailend of 09.
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kOaMaster said:
that's about the same with federer - who is "on decline" but still number one. and nadal is still number two. I mean come on...their game was ridiculous above everyone else.
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Well Federer and Nadal are easily two of the best players to ever play the game, and (I know this pisses off so many people but...) their competition hasn't been superb or anything in general. But that's changing I think.

Kinda interesting that so many here are quite upset at the suggestion that he could be on his downward slide. Do you guys really think he will be 1 or 2 for the next 2 or 3 years? Seriously? I wouldn't be surprised at all if both Federer and Nadal finish outside of the top 2 this year.
 
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