Better Hardcourter-Nadal vs Agassi

Better hardcourter Agassi vs Nadal?


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NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
You repeatedly called Hewitt weaponless, perhaps if you don't want people to downplay the wins of your favourites you shouldn't do the same guy lol. As far as Edberg/Jmac go, they were the more natural grass courters in terms of movement at least, hard to know how they would play in todays tennis. Relative to their era's I think Jmac's best on grass is right there with Sampras and Federer though.

aah , the hidden agenda got out in open. noone who understands tennis will seriously believe players who moulded their games for 80s with different rackets will be winning more Wimbledon title than player who won more Wimbledon titles in a different era. They were great grass player but for their own era only and so i Djokovic for his own era. Laver was absolute beast on grass doesn't mean he will start bossing post 2000era but he will definately win in his own era against modern players . Can't believe the amount of mental gymanstic is being done here to protect some Mythical GOAT here. Downplay Nadal and Djokovic and compare them to tier 2 players of the past lol. It's beyond ridiculous .
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Which tournament was played at a higher level?

1. Federer Wim 03 or Nadal RG 12
2. Roddick Wim 09 or Soderling RG 09
3. Tsonga AO 08 or Wawrinka AO 14
4. Nadal USO 13 or Djokovic AO 15
5. Ferrero RG 03 or Federer RG 06
6. Hewitt AO 05 or Federer AO 11
7. Federer AO 10 or Nadal USO 10
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
It's interesting how Thiem was streaky overall but fairly consistent at the French for an extended period. His loss to Schwartzman could easily be chalked up to mental fatigue. Agassi was just never as consistent. Obviously this is pure opinion backed by hypothetical comparison, I mean Agassi only faced Nadal twice both on hard in his twilight so we have literally nothing to go on with Thiem. But your question of Ferrer is intriguing enough but he only won a single set in 4 matches, so in that sense Thiem is above him.



Ah you preach about those AO runs don't you? Well you can have them, are they in any way worse than Nadal 2017-2019? Oh yes, DANIIIIIIIIL get out of here. Also can't forget Andre skipping AOs in his prime which Nadal did once I guess?



My reasoning:

1. Federer didn't drop a set which is rarer at USO and with a harder draw, that WImbledon draw was garbage.
2. Federer was mentally clean that tournament and should have beat Delpo in 4, Nadal had little in his way and lost a grinder match
3. Novak coming back from 0-2, double MP in semis and railed Nadal in the final, Rafa should have lost to Fed at the French and got taken to 5 by Isner.
4. Nadal USO Series Triple Crown, Fed pushed hard by 35 year old Agassi for 3 sets.
5. Roddick just the better player, 7-9 Slams without Fed alone.
6. Fed nearly lost to Baghdatis, has cramps to thank for the win, Novak wins epic 5 setter on route.
7. Well that Novak beat clean Fed in the final, Fed lost a match he should have won against a lesser opponent on that surface.
Don't think 4 is that clear at all. Federer 2005 arrived at the USO having won the Sunshine Double + Cincy. Only lost 1 HC match throughout the year as well.

A Hewitt + Agassi combo was certainly tougher than Gasquet + sub par Djokovic combo.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Daniil destroyed Djokovic in three easy sets in the USO Final lol

And Novak reamed him even harder at AO and beat him recently at Paris. Novak is also 9 years older. Also of Medvedev's 1 of 3 other victories was a meaningless RR match at WTF. So basically Novak 6-3 in meaningful matches.

Did you say Roddick is a better player than Murray here?
Absolutely, enjoy the thrills

Seriously though Andy lost in straights to Fed at 2 of their 3 finals and in 4 on grass when Fed was well past his prime and Andy was in his absolute peak. Got the Gold Medal though after Fed was exhausted from a marathon semi, so hurrah.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
And Novak reamed him even harder at AO and beat him recently at Paris. Novak is also 9 years older. Also of Medvedev's 1 of 3 other victories was a meaningless RR match at WTF. So basically Novak 6-3 in meaningful matches.


Absolutely, enjoy the thrills

Seriously though Andy lost in straights to Fed at 2 of their 3 finals and in 4 on grass when Fed was well past his prime and Andy was in his absolute peak. Got the Gold Medal though after Fed was exhausted from a marathon semi, so hurrah.
So on all time ranking basis Roddick rates higher because of how he played Federer in some matches isn’t about a whole tour of players as well?
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
And Novak reamed him even harder at AO and beat him recently at Paris. Novak is also 9 years older. Also of Medvedev's 1 of 3 other victories was a meaningless RR match at WTF. So basically Novak 6-3 in meaningful matches.


Absolutely, enjoy the thrills

Seriously though Andy lost in straights to Fed at 2 of their 3 finals and in 4 on grass when Fed was well past his prime and Andy was in his absolute peak. Got the Gold Medal though after Fed was exhausted from a marathon semi, so hurrah.
Medvedev is 4-3 vs Djokovic in their last 7 :laughing:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Which tournament was played at a higher level?

1. Federer Wim 03 or Nadal RG 12 - Nadal IMO, but clay != grass. 2012 Nadal wouldn't have those dominant scorelines on grass
2. Roddick Wim 09 or Soderling RG 09 - Roddick, IMO. Actually played a great final.
3. Tsonga AO 08 or Wawrinka AO 14 - even
4. Nadal USO 13 or Djokovic AO 15 - even
5. Ferrero RG 03 or Federer RG 06 - No idea
6. Hewitt AO 05 or Federer AO 11 - Hewitt, IMO. Fed didn't beat anyone notable until running into Novak.
7. Federer AO 10 or Nadal USO 10 - Nadal, but it's close. Fed had a slightly tougher draw.
 
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NatF

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aah , the hidden agenda got out in open. noone who understands tennis will seriously believe players who moulded their games for 80s with different rackets will be winning more Wimbledon title than player who won more Wimbledon titles in a different era. They were great grass player but for their own era only and so i Djokovic for his own era. Laver was absolute beast on grass doesn't mean he will start bossing post 2000era but he will definately win in his own era against modern players . Can't believe the amount of mental gymanstic is being done here to protect some Mythical GOAT here. Downplay Nadal and Djokovic and compare them to tier 2 players of the past lol. It's beyond ridiculous .

I'm not saying they'd outperform Djokovic here, especially as neither guy showcased his longevity - more to say I don't think these guys would be fishes out of water in the different conditions. The only one with an agenda here is you buddy. I literally just said I put Jmac with Fed and Sampras - how is that trying to protect Fed? Maybe lose that chip on your shoulder before replying again. Like I said I don't know how those guys would play on modern grass, their skillsets seems most suited to the 80's but that also might just be the way they were trained, I happen to think ATG's would find ways to win any era - particularly someone like Mac who I believe is one of the greatest talents ever. In his own era his battles with Borg and destruction of Connors in 1984 were superb stuff. Obviously approaching the net on every serve isn't the one now so they'd have to adapt but I think they're talented enough to do that. Likewise I think Djokovic's return and serve combo would be good for other era's as well.

The only one making every post partisan is you, so check yourself.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
I'm not saying they'd outperform Djokovic here, especially as neither guy showcased his longevity - more to say I don't think these guys would be fishes out of water in the different conditions. The only one with an agenda here is you buddy. I literally just said I put Jmac with Fed and Sampras - how is that trying to protect Fed? Maybe lose that chip on your shoulder before replying again. Like I said I don't know how those guys would play on modern grass, their skillsets seems most suited to the 80's but that also might just be the way they were trained, I happen to think ATG's would find ways to win any era - particularly someone like Mac who I believe is one of the greatest talents ever. In his own era his battles with Borg and destruction of Connors in 1984 were superb stuff. Obviously approaching the net on every serve isn't the one now so they'd have to adapt but I think they're talented enough to do that. Likewise I think Djokovic's return and serve combo would be good for other era's as well.

The only one making every post partisan is you, so check yourself.

Yeah sure, majority of your fan base has voted Jmac and Edberg Vs Djokovic on modern grass with modern rackets . Can't take such posters seriously. Yeah sure i have agenda but you Abmk, octo dude etc are most objective posters here . I don't have any agenda but i feel sorry for fed fans who have to make ridiculous assertion and even then he will end up as the third best player of his own generation ( don't believe in GOAT so won't give a take ) Now , please take your objectivity somewhere else.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Yeah sure, majority of your fan base has voted Jmac and Edberg Vs Djokovic on modern grass with modern rackets . Can't take such posters seriously. Yeah sure i have agenda but you Abmk, octo dude etc are most objective posters here . I don't have any agenda but i feel sorry for fed fans who have to make ridiculous assertion and even then he will be end up as the third best player of his own generation ( don't believe in GOAT so won't give a take ) Now , please take your objectivity somewhere else.

I didn't even post in that thread lol. Man you can't even hold a discussion without whining like baby and throwing strawman. Maybe next time ask your mum to wrap you up in cotton wool before you log onto TTW if it upsets you so much.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah sure, majority of your fan base has voted Jmac and Edberg Vs Djokovic on modern grass with modern rackets . Can't take such posters seriously. Yeah sure i have agenda but you Abmk, octo dude etc are most objective posters here . I don't have any agenda but i feel sorry for fed fans who have to make ridiculous assertion and even then he will end up as the third best player of his own generation ( don't believe in GOAT so won't give a take ) Now , please take your objectivity somewhere else.
sure thing buddy

Nat gave some pretty decent arguments about Mac and Edberg's grass court level and you've mostly replied with (often empty) accusations of bias and agenda-pushing. The least you could do is respond to him in kind... Even if you find the arguments unreasonable, he himself has been reasonable in his attitude.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
sure thing buddy

Nat gave some pretty decent arguments about Mac and Edberg's grass court level and you've mostly replied with (often empty) accusations of bias and agenda-pushing. The least you could do is respond to him in kind... Even if you find the arguments unreasonable, he himself has been reasonable in his attitude.

Here come another objective poster jumping in without knowing the full contexts . My objection was with objective fed fan base unironically thinking Jmac and Edberg will win more than Djokovic on modern grass and with modern rackets . I didn't ask for his level since it's pertinent to 80s only like Laver's level was pertinent to his good ole times. how are you going to judge pure baseline era grass level with modern racket to 80s era's level with wooden rackets ? That's ridiculous , it's as ridiculous as saying Nadal will Toy with Bog with wooden racket because he had the highest level seen in his own time on clay. you can hype all the players to downplay Djokovic or Nadal but that will be purely subjective and all those Mythical levels will always be subjective and laden with thousands of variables.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Here come another objective poster jumping in without knowing the full contexts . My objection was with objective fed fan base unironically thinking Jmac and Edberg will win more than Djokovic on modern grass and with modern rackets . I didn't ask for his level since it's pertinent to 80s only like Laver's level was pertinent to his good ole times. how are you going to judge pure baseline era grass level with modern racket to 80s era's level with wooden rackets ? That's ridiculous , it's as ridiculous as saying Nadal will Toy with Bog with wooden racket because he had the highest level seen in his own time on clay. you can hype all the players to downplay Djokovic or Nadal but that will be purely subjective and all those Mythical levels will always be subjective and laden with thousands of variables.
It’s because you asked a ridiculous question to begin with.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Here come another objective poster jumping in without knowing the full contexts . My objection was with objective fed fan base unironically thinking Jmac and Edberg will win more than Djokovic on modern grass and with modern rackets . I didn't ask for his level since it's pertinent to 80s only like Laver's level was pertinent to his good ole times. how are you going to judge pure baseline era grass level with modern racket to 80s era's level with wooden rackets ? That's ridiculous , it's as ridiculous as saying Nadal will Toy with Bog with wooden racket because he had the highest level seen in his own time on clay. you can hype all the players to downplay Djokovic or Nadal but that will be purely subjective and all those Mythical levels will always be subjective and laden with thousands of variables.

You aren't reading the room. The comparisons are not meant as an insult but as acknowledgement that talent shines in any time. Nadal vs Borg on clay would be full of excruciating rallies I fancy, a spectacle for real claycourt fans (and an eyesore for fastcourtbots).
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
The battles between NatF and Mainad were as legendary as the ones between The_Order and abmk. And that's saying something. :whistle:
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa still creeping up in the poll :unsure:
Even though picking Andre is the popular opinion but I'm shocked that Nadal isn't winning this poll by a landslide at TTW. Nadal is still active and this forum is crowded with Nadal fans while Agassi who's retired 16 years ago. Completely outnumbered by supporting fans and yet Andre still leading the poll is really telling
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Even though picking Andre is the popular opinion but I'm shocked that Nadal isn't winning this poll by a landslide at TTW. Nadal is still active and this forum is crowded with Nadal fans while Agassi who's retired 16 years ago. Completely outnumbered by supporting fans and yet Andre still leading the poll is really telling

It’s telling how many copium tanks are in use, yes :cool:
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Even though picking Andre is the popular opinion but I'm shocked that Nadal isn't winning this poll by a landslide at TTW. Nadal is still active and this forum is crowded with Nadal fans while Agassi who's retired 16 years ago. Completely outnumbered by supporting fans and yet Andre still leading the poll is really telling
This forum is crowded with your comrades, Fed devotee.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Not to mention that many banned Rafa fans coming back with new accounts and some of them having double account to add more votes to the poll
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Has nothing to do with Agassi vs. Nadal.

Nadal fans >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agassi fans(doubt it if any are reading this thread at this time)

What amazes me is that you claim you doubt if any Agassi fans have read this thread, yet you voted for him o_O :

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