Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You are in fantasy land here. It's just a pro forma with no free advice attached. You are on your own.
Caroline Wozniacki rejects apology from Maria Sharapova's agent
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Thriller
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At a dope test in autumn 2015
WADA accredited blood tester:
I see on your doping control form that you have used Mildronate in the last 7 days.
Sharia Meldopova: Yes that is correct.
WADA accredited blood tester:
You do know that mildronate is banned from January 2016? Don't take any more and have another blood test to make sure you are clean by January.
Sharia Meldopova: Seriously?! Thank God you warned me! You saved my career! I am terrible, I like reading WADA emails about as much as I like an ugly carpet .....
If only .....
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Thriller
Hall of Fame
No one would believe in the character of a mean, driven, meticulous millionairess who showed such a slapdash attitude to protecting her reputation and legacy ....
Tennis_Hands
Banned
The only interesting question here is whether he acted under the direct guidance of Mrs. Dopingapova or was acting following more general guidelines given by her when he sent that private apology.
In any event his tactic was a classic effort for both publicly humiliating her and creating the impression that the offended person laid low, because she "realised" that he was acting out of decency and was therefore "right".
Glad that increasingly more people realise the true nature of the person Maria Sharapova and are acting accordingly.
In any event his tactic was a classic effort for both publicly humiliating her and creating the impression that the offended person laid low, because she "realised" that he was acting out of decency and was therefore "right".
Glad that increasingly more people realise the true nature of the person Maria Sharapova and are acting accordingly.
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Chadillac
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When does the tour send out their packets and notify players?
racquetreligion
Hall of Fame
Perfectly said of Dopapova and her minions as beyond the materialist image sits a very shallow negative role model for society and its women
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I am still waiting for you to elaborate on your fabulous global conspiracy theory that you keep throwing out there from time to time.
You gave me a small chuckle here, but I'd like a belly laugh.
You gave me a small chuckle here, but I'd like a belly laugh.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
A private 'apology' for a public insult is not an apology. It is nothing more than weasel words from a coward.
Wozniacki is Danish.
In any case, Wozniacki has indeed been a battler on court while Sharapova was busy fabricating her victories in the chemical lab.
Shame. On. Her.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Packets? No idea what you are talking about.
Notify players? In September, 3 months before the ban starts. The new list and a separate document just showing the changes are both published on line and highlighted on the WADA app that all players use to enter their whereabouts.
Of course those lists were not a lot of use to Sharapovava's medical advisors as she had hidden her drug habit from all of them ....
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Chadillac
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The tour gives their players a booklet of the upcoming rule changes in dec (email and phy copy), it includes the wada list.
Sharapova didnt fail the drug test, she admitted it on the form thinking she would get a TUE. It wasnt granted, she didnt deny using in the initial presser.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Which has already been published and widely circulated since September 16 2015, in this case. Ignorance is no excuse.
Interesting, if true. Why would she think she would need a TUE if she had no knowledge that meldonium had been banned? You don't need a TUE for legal medication.
If what you are saying is true, she is a liar as well as a cheat.
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Chadillac
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No one looks at the wada site...
She learned about it in december, understood its duration (something wada didnt) and applied for a tue. She continued taking it because its hot in AUS that time of year and its a water retention (dont wanna dehydrate with diabetes). Cant go cold turkey on the hard stuff, rite?!!
Thriller
Hall of Fame
It is the duty of professional sports people and their advisors to keep up to date with the banned list. Substances can be added at any time in addition to the annual update in September. Sharapova chose to lie to all of her sports medical advisors so the responsibility was hers alone. She failed and deserves everything and more that she received.
So she did read her emails?....
She should have sought immediate medical advice and applied for a TUE on January 1st 2016. She should have withdrawn from competition until a TUE was granted or until meldonium was out of her system.
She should have withdrawn from the AusO competition if she knew that she could only compete by cheating opponents by using illegal drugs.
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Chadillac
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Probably checked that account before entering the AO. Was like ohh shoot, need to get a tue like serena. She is no serena apparently, serena even gets them after failing tests, maria cant even get one before hand.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
As I thought, a whole lot of probablys, maybes and fiction on your account.
There is a very well documented process for obtaining a TUE. There was no chance she would have got one for meldonium. For one thing, you have to provide a full medical history and testimony from a doctor that there is no other valid treatment.
There was no medical history! She hadn't told a doctor she was a meldo doper since 2012! She was an undercover prescription drug abuser!
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Chadillac
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Serena got one on like june 17th, after winning the french final
Wada banned melo on the basis that many euro's were benefiting from it (large %), not based on science. It lead to their olympic blacklist
Hindsight, you are correct, there is no way should could of gotten a TUE for it. Since none of the others did. They did get reduced sentences once wada understood what it did.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
No doubt about it. She let you down.
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Chadillac
Guest
Recommended dosages, at least educate yourself on this drug. You dont take it like a vitamin daily. You take it in cycles, beginning of the year is the first. 4-6 times a year as a "junkie".
Tennis_Hands
Banned
That is what happens when unconditional apologists are mildly confronted with a logical thought supported by facts: they start looking for explanations that are increasingly outlandish in their nature until they fall apart and return to the safe heaven of just repeating the things that noone can prove.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
According to fancy bears.
Yes retrospective TUEs are permissible but there are strict procedures.
Whether or not TUEs should exist is a different debate.
What isnt debatable is that all athletes should adhere to the WADA code as it is. Then it is a level playing field.
Sharapova rode roughshod over the rules deserves her ban and the hard road back sans wildcards from the ITF.
Thriller
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Chadillac
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This statement contradicts itself.
Thriller
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It really doesn't.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bartelby
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Thriller
Hall of Fame
A double dose of a banned debatable 'nothing' = a 15 month ban.
Quite lenient in my opinion.
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Deleted member 77403
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Steady now. It was taken to treat diabetes and heart condition.
I wonder what she is taking now for it.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Yet another Sharapova thread devolved into this mess, what a surprise...
There's a huge lack of nuance in this matter, as always.
Is it cheating to take a legal substance that may have performance enhancing qualities? What about caffeine say? Is it cheating if said substance continues to be ingested after being banned? Even if done inadvertently? What level of intention of performance enhancement is required for the use of a substance to rise to the level of cheating? And how does the intention relate to the scientific verifiability of performance enhancing qualities of a subtance when assessing whether something is cheating or not?
Lots of grey area folks, and frankly, I'd be very surprised if the vast majority of pros wasn't using some currently legal substance with questionable performance related properties.
There's a huge lack of nuance in this matter, as always.
Is it cheating to take a legal substance that may have performance enhancing qualities? What about caffeine say? Is it cheating if said substance continues to be ingested after being banned? Even if done inadvertently? What level of intention of performance enhancement is required for the use of a substance to rise to the level of cheating? And how does the intention relate to the scientific verifiability of performance enhancing qualities of a subtance when assessing whether something is cheating or not?
Lots of grey area folks, and frankly, I'd be very surprised if the vast majority of pros wasn't using some currently legal substance with questionable performance related properties.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Steady now. It was taken to treat diabetes and heart condition.
Good question. Especially for those 'important matches' where the threat of heart disease and diabetes looms even larger.
I guess by anyone's standards an Olympic Final is an important match meriting a double dose. Maybe meldonium helps you deal with the heartbreak of being on the wrong end of a 6-0, 6-1 whipping lol!
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Deleted member 77403
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Come on now. She is a heart patient and a diabetic. Don't be so cruel. I hope she has found something to take before her matches, it would be awful if something happened to her. We should not take this lightly, and hope she has found something to take before matches and for life in general.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
No grey areas. If it is on the WADA banned list, do not take it or you are a cheat. Sharapova cheated four opponents at the AO 2016, she tried to cheat a fifth and failed.
As for the previous 10 years ...
I am a huge fan, but if I ever discovered that for the last 10 years Toni Nadal had been feeding Rafa, Druid Getafix's long lost recipe for magic potion, and the only reason WADA had not banned it was because they didn't know it existed .... 'legal' or not, that is cheating and every achievement would be forever tarnished.
Sharapova took drugs that were not a medical requirement purely to improve her sports performance.
No grey area. She is a 100% drugs cheat full stop.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Or has the good sense to retire. Surely it is now time for her to proritise her fragile chronic health issues before sport. It is not as if she needs the money ....
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Eh?
So you're taking mens rea out of the conception of law?
Sorry, but things really are not black and white. Her punishment absolutely was justified, that's a different matter.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Mens rea? Sharapova knows she is not supposed to take anything on the banned list. She knows it is her duty to check what is on the list. She knows it is her duty to declare all the drugs she has used in the last 7 days on her doping control form. This is all a matter of fact which she did not dispute at the tribunal.
Those are the rules. She deliberately broke them. That is cheating.
This is not a case of a spiked drink or a changed product formulation. She deliberately took Meldonium ignoring the rules around drug consumption.
It is black and white. She is a cheat.
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Deleted member 77403
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She is obviously very passionate about the sport and wants to play on despite having such medical conditions. That is a warrior spirit. So what if she popped a couple of pills here and there. I just hope she has found something else to make up for it. Heart conditions and diabetes are not to be laughed at it.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
So admirable, but maybe she should be stopped for her own good? Some people are their own worst enemies.
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She is an inspiration to diabetics and heart condition patients out there, telling them that it is possible to achieve the greatest of dreams as long as you are popping the right pills. I seriously hope she has got something to substitute what she was taking for over 10 years. Warrior spirit!
Now only if Sampras who had a blood condition could have done the same, imagine what could have been....
stapletonj
Hall of Fame
oh goody, mens rea!
malum prohibitum or malum in se? different standards for culpability?
Back to 1L class boys and girls!
malum prohibitum or malum in se? different standards for culpability?
Back to 1L class boys and girls!
Thriller
Hall of Fame
Yeah ... think of all the players throughout the years who would have been better with just a liitle/lot of chemical assistance.
My sympathy is at maximum levels when I recall matches and headlines like this one .....
Sharapova outlasts Halep to reign again
The Romanian arrived in her maiden Grand Slam final without the loss of a set, and although she wounded Sharapova with the weapons which made her invincible against all other opposition, she did not have enough in her armoury to inflict mortal damage. It was an epic battle – the first three-set final since Jennifer Capriati came back to defeat Kim Clijsters 13 years ago. But it was Sharapova who survived the scorching sun and sapping humidity on Philippe Chatrier Court to take it 6-4, 6-7(5), 6-4 in three hours and two minutes.
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2014-06-07/201406071402158573475.html
.... and it isnt for the doper.
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Deleted member 77403
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Come on now. That's the warrior spirit shining through. Pure athlete...who on ocassion pops a few pills here and there to fight off life threatening diseases like heart disease and diabetes.
Thriller
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Come on now. That's the warrior spirit shining through. Pure athlete...who on ocassion pops a few pills here and there to fight off life threatening diseases like heart disease and diabetes.
A bit harsh to call Halep a life threatening disease.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
The question is whether she knew that it was on the banned list. That she used it while it wasn't banned doesn't make her a cheater I presume (a term associated with specific intent), so you'd have to prove that she used it while being aware of changes in regulation for her to legitimately be a cheater. The courts seemed to come to the conclusion that she did not act with the intent you ascribe to her. That she was (grossly) negligent is obvious and isn't up for debate, but that's a different matter.