Chinese Swimmer on Drugs?
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NadalAgassi
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I think most Olympic athletes are on drugs anyway so who cares. If she is she is beating the rest doing what most of the rest are also doing. While I wouldnt be surprised if she is only for the simple reason an elite athlete usually uses drugs, I dont see why she is a slam dunk or near certainty anymore than other swimmers. She isnt crazy muscular like the mid 90s Chinese swim team doping machine, and she is at the age large improvements are easily believable even without drugs. The last 50 metre comment is a ridiculous one, people make it sound like she swam close to Lochte's time. She was over 20 seconds slower for the whole race than winner Lochte, and would have been one of the slowest men in the heats of the same event. His last 50 metres sucked, he was tired as heck, already had the race won, and tied up badly, but overall had already dominated and locked up the race anyway. She obviously paced herself for a very strong finish, realizing that in the race with Biesel that were her best place to strike.
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NadalAgassi
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Americans are so hypocritical, and why they get none of the accustations of other countries, especialy certain ones like China, is beyond me. When 22 year old Misty improved her 200 butterfly PB by over 4 seconds to win in Sydney nobody said a thing. Had she been from another country you would have heard howls of protest, especialy from Americans (especialy had she beaten a U.S swimmer rather than 2 Australians). A U.S doctor claimed the Chinese teenager improving her 400 I.M PB by over 5 seconds in one year was impossible without doping, yet a U.S swimmer improving a 200 PB in the most demanding stroke in her 20s by 4 seconds in one meet is doable, ROTFL!!! U.S are the home of some of the biggest drug cheats in the history of sport- Flo Jo who is the only one I know of who died before 40 strictly due to how strong and how many drugs her body had been pumped with for a year, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, yet they escape suspicion the most, especialy amongst themselves and their own hypocritical eyes on the topic.
Anyway all moot as it is simply hilarious how naive people are to normalcy of doping in top level sport anyway.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
On this board, we are still debating about if we can prove Carl Lewis was taking anything.
At this rate, it will be 30 more years before we get to anyone in the 2012 Olympics :razz:
ninman
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I haven't said anything remotely racist. You do know that my ex-wife is Chinese, I live in China and I speak Chinese fluently right?
I would also point out that being "Chinese" is not a race, it's a nationality, there are 51 ethnic groups in China. At no point did I ever mention anything to do with race.
Hot Sauce
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What does being from China have to do with athletes taking PED's? If athletes wants to compete at the highest level, they will always be tempted by steroids and it doesn't matter where they are from. How does being Chinese yourself make you exempt from discriminating? It doesn't.
There are probably tons of Olympic athletes that cycle PED's in the offseason and then test clean. How can this girl take so much heat for being suspected of juicing because she is fast, when in reality anyone knows that not all the athletes in the Olympics are natural.
There are probably tons of Olympic athletes that cycle PED's in the offseason and then test clean. How can this girl take so much heat for being suspected of juicing because she is fast, when in reality anyone knows that not all the athletes in the Olympics are natural.
syke
Professional
There is only 龍的傳人... this transcends whatever nationalities they might be... lol...
However, I reckon there are not many out there, enjoy being associated with the mainlanders. :-(
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mucat
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It is still China's fault.
subz
Rookie
Interesting ... can you give us the reference from which you get these numbers ?
West Coast Ace
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The number of caught dopers by country is a strawman. The difference is that China's sports are run by the State. Individuals in the US and EU, lured by the big $$$, will cheat on their own. China manages its athletes - Li Na had to hit it big to finally break away from the tennis federation and keep more of her earnings. Just like China manages its economy (and many economists now think China has been 'cooking the books' for a few years). Like the old USSR, China looks to build national prestige through its successes in sports - so to think they wouldn't cheat is laughable. Like the female gymnasts who were underage (2000 Sydney participant readily admitted the gov forged the passports for her and her teammates). And I doubt the girls on the 2008 team were of age either.
Having said that, the BBC.co.uk had a story a few days ago that showed other swimmers have bettered their personal bests by 5 and 6 seconds early in their careers. Knowing that, I'm more inclined to think her performance may have been legit.
Having said that, the BBC.co.uk had a story a few days ago that showed other swimmers have bettered their personal bests by 5 and 6 seconds early in their careers. Knowing that, I'm more inclined to think her performance may have been legit.
ninman
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It's not so much if she beat her best time, but the way she swam the race. She was barely keeping up with everybody else, then on the last leg suddenly accelerated and destroyed the competition.
That suggests she wasn't going as fast as she could, potentially. But even if you say that's normal, I think the fact that she had an amazing swim, combined with being raised in the Chinese sports system, suggests she's probably taken something.
The Chinese would think nothing about faking drug tests to say they're all negative. "Yes, we tested her 100 times last year, all negative". More to the point, if she is doping, would she even know it?
Not sure why you would post this without bothering to look it up
She swam two more times after her suspicious 400IM.
She swam the 200IM in OR time and again made a come back on the final leg when it was time to switch to freestyle. So, basically she did the same exact thing as the 400IM.
She also just happened to qualify 1st for all her races and was world champion last year for the 200IM even though the US media made it sound as if Biesel was the favorite and Ye just came out of nowhere.
Her next race she came in 6th. It was a team relay.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19116749 <- I've already made all these points before the article but, just to reiterate.
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Not sure why you would post this without bothering to look it up
She swam two more times after her suspicious 400IM.
She swam the 200IM in OR time and again made a come back on the final leg when it was time to switch to freestyle. So, basically she did the same exact thing as the 400IM.
She also just happened to qualify 1st for all her races and was world champion last year for the 200IM even though the US media made it sound as if Biesel was the favorite and Ye just came out of nowhere.
Her next race she came in 6th. It was a team relay.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19116749 <- I've already made all these points before the article but, just to reiterate.
Maybe because this is a message board not a doctoral thesis committee presentation meeting?
volleygirl
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ye+shiwen
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Though, I do appreciate the insight into your reasoning for propagating false information.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
I heard Usain Bolt has been running really average times this Olympics, but I have no idea if this is true or not.
I also heard that Bolt believes Oscar Pistorius could smoke him in the 100m with his blades. Not sure where I read this.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
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Bionic Poster
Just read this today morning.
6/10 doping at OG.
6/10 doping at OG.
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/olympics/l...athletes-drugs-says-balco-chief#ixzz237BVh8KA
syke
Professional
amazing how governments instil fear into people's minds.
just like how terrorist groups targeting America as the common enemy, just to stay relevant and in control of the masses.
Chicharito
Hall of Fame
Ye Shiwen just came 7th at the Chinese trials. 22 seconds off her World Record time. Her Olympic defence is all but over...
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Rusty Shackleford
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Got addicted to Ho-Hos and put on 200 lbs?
