Do Players Have to Cheat to Win?

[tennismike33]

I can't stand the cheating in the adult leagues or tournaments. I am really tired of the general rule When in Doubt, Call it Out.
Where is the honesty anymore?
It's true that matches generally are determined by the cheating calls, but what happens is those calls most of the time, can rattle the other player and throw them off their game causing them to not focus on the game at hand.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How did I know you would post a response here. Dude, you are the man, you will bounce back and be stronger the next time you play. I will help you practice this by calling more balls out in the morning. I just want to help you get ready!!!!

 

[Ronaldo]

migjam, you wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they call it out, you call 2 out. They hit your partner, you send one of them to the morgue. That's the USTA Adult league way. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?

 

[tennismike33]

migjam, you wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they call it out, you call 2 out. They hit your partner, you send one of them to the morgue. That's the USTA Adult league way. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?

MIJGAM is one of the most honest. hardworking people you would ever meet. An out call to him is when the ball is 3" out, he hates getting hooked by people who can't beat him honestly. Maybe the guy he lost to today is a good player, but there is no excuse for hooking people to get ahead or even win a tennis match is not worth it to me.

As far as hitting your partner, dude get over that, it actually is YOUR partner's fault most times, send him to the morgue, LOL.

 

[max8176]

The real fact are cheating is everywhere; even in the Pros level. Didnt Sharapova's dad was caught coaching at her previous match and she was given a warning?

 

[Ronaldo]

The real fact are cheating is everywhere; even in the Pros level. Didnt Sharapova's dad was caught coaching at her previous match and she was given a warning?

Curious why an official cannot have the cheat publically removed from the stadium? Grreat theatre. As far as cheating goes, 1st yr in league play 20 yrs ago my partner touch the net following through on a short volley. I called it against him/us. We lost the match and ended the partnership. Subject came up last yr when playing each other.

 

[migjam]

migjam, you wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they call it out, you call 2 out. They hit your partner, you send one of them to the morgue. That's the USTA Adult league way. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?

Nah, thats not my style. I play to win, but cheating isn't a part of that for me. Would you feel good winning that way? I wouldn't. We are playing Adult tennis, not Junior.

 

[Sakkijarvi]

Zip one their way...we're playing a sport here

Last night's doubles...and we played against a guy that called at least four balls out that were clearly in. My partner and I just turned a looked at each other...my partner (who has more experience with the guy than I do) says, "he always does that...I don't think he means it..."

Firing a couple of serves into the body...whacking a shot down the line while said guy is dozing at the net...that all legit in my book. I play and coach a much tougher sport than tennis, so this beiing 'off limits' is a joke as far as I'm concerned. I'm not talking about drilling a guy with a sitter at the net. Just exert some power to remind the opponent you've got his number.

Sakki

 

[Ronaldo]

Nah, thats not my style. I play to win, but cheating isn't a part of that for me. Would you feel good winning that way? I wouldn't. We are playing Adult tennis, not Junior.

Play dubs with guys who pull a Mr. Magoo everyday on line calls, its not cheating its their life. Always in their favor.

 

[migjam]

Play dubs with guys who pull a Mr. Magoo everyday on line calls, its not cheating its their life. Always in their favor.

Yeah, and do you ever notice that the call goes their way on a crucial point?

 

[Ronaldo]

Notice, it is laughable. Guy claims he does not understand why everyone questions his calls. And we play on clay. And he still calls them out.

 

[tennismike33]

Notice, it is laughable. Guy claims he does not understand why everyone questions his calls. And we play on clay. And he still calls them out.

As a lifelong graduate of smart a** univesity I NEVER question the person making the calls playing doubles, I usually say to the partner, "Dude, how can you play with this guy, he can't see clearly. He must get you into a lot of arguments over calls, becasue his view of the line is blocked a lot. The calls he is making reflect very poorly on your team."

 

[migjam]

Notice, it is laughable. Guy claims he does not understand why everyone questions his calls. And we play on clay. And he still calls them out.

Well see there you have an issue, you can request them to show you the mark. On hard courts, unless the court is dirty, it is pretty hard to see a mark.

 

[Ronaldo]

mike, I question/correct the guy's calls, we not only play league matches but casually, switching partners with each set. Some members refuse to play in the same group with him.

 

[Ronaldo]

Well see there you have an issue, you can request them to show you the mark. On hard courts, unless the court is dirty, it is pretty hard to see a mark.

Which mark, his or yours? Cannot even agree on the mark on clay

 

[migjam]

Which mark, his or yours? Cannot even agree on the mark on clay

Either. Thats the beauty of clay. Question the call by asking to see the mark. I don't know how many calls I've gotten reversed when my opponent can't find the mark or see's the white mark on the line.

 

[Ronaldo]

Meant agree on the mark when we are partners. Call against your partner, he's pissed the rest of the day.

 

[amarone]

Either. Thats the beauty of clay. Question the call by asking to see the mark. I don't know how many calls I've gotten reversed when my opponent can't find the mark or see's the white mark on the line.

I don't see why you should get a call reversed when the opponent cannot find the mark. As long as he was sure it was out, there is no onus on him/her to find a mark. Only if he finds the mark and it shows that it was in does he have to reverse the call.

 

[migjam]

I don't see why you should get a call reversed when the opponent cannot find the mark. As long as he was sure it was out, there is no onus on him/her to find a mark. Only if he finds the mark and it shows that it was in does he have to reverse the call.

Well there should be a mark. But, I guess if he can't find it, the old rule of When in doubt, Call it out would be in effect huh?

 

[Ronaldo]

If there is no mark, assume the ball was on the line. Guy served, we see no mark and give him the point. His partner falls, laughing. He had shanked the serve over a tree, out of our line of sight.

 

[migjam]

If there is no mark, assume the ball was on the line. Guy served, we see no mark and give him the point. His partner falls, laughing. He had shanked the serve over a tree, out of our line of sight.

However on clay, a mark is usually left on the line as well. Also, if a ball does hit the line, it will usually skip.

 

[Ronaldo]

Totally agree, but you are honest. Btw, we were playing on hardcourts at nite when this guy serves one over a tree.

 

[Sakkijarvi]

The doubles guy I mentioned was a sub. Our group is good, we've had four guys standing over a mark, usually an aced serve, marveling at how it shows the serve just touched the tape, 'hey, take a look at this' kind of thing.

We want to get the call right and let ourselves enjoy 'the game' playing itself out. The occasional serve or shot on the tape that leaves no mark is in.

You get some dingdong in there that starts screwing with the calls and it's a different thing altogether. The guys I play doubles with are an established group and I 'do like in Rome' with them...they're super-polite so I don't question calls. In my singles, I'll question a bad call without hesitation unless I'm killing the guy.

Sakki

 

[Ronaldo]

When in doubt.....................call it out reigns supreme in these parts.

 

[migjam]

I'm sorry, I just can't play that way. I'd rather let my game speak for itself and win that way.