Dunlop 300 Lineage?

[TripleB]

I pulled a Dunlop AeroGel 4D 300 racquet off my "Wall of Frames" and have been playing extremely well with it. I also have a Dunlop Hot Melt 300 that I leaded up to have the same weight and balance of the AG 4D 300...although I know the swingweight is less and it is more stiff.

I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me the lineage of the standard Dunlop 300 (ie: in that 10.8 to 11.2 oz range with 16 mains) line in chronological order?

What I've found in a TW search...not sure of order or racquets I've left out:
- Dunlop 300G Midplus
- Dunlop Hot Melt 300G
- Dunlop M-Fil 300
- Dunlop Aerogel 3Hundred
- Dunlop AeroGel 4D 3Hundred
- Dunlop Biomimetic 300
- Dunlop Biomimetic M3.0
- Dunlop Biofibre M3.1

Thanks for any help/corrections/extra info you can provide!!!

TripleB

 

[racket king]

M3.0 and M3.1 aren't part of the line.

Different mold for a start.

 

[TripleB]

M3.0 and M3.1 aren't part of the line.

Different mold for a start.

Thanks for clearing that up...so was the Biomimetic 300 the last of the true 300 series?

TripleB

 

[SteveI]

M3.0 and M3.1 aren't part of the line.

Different mold for a start.

Wrong.. they are indeed part of that line...

Most of that line had a slightly different mold and lay-up...

The HM 300 and Bio 300 are close as are the Mfil 300 and AG 300/4D 300..

The M 3.0 and M3.1 are pretty much the same frame.. I have played all of them..

The molds might be slightly different .. the the intention of Dunlop that are all from that line..

 

[niktub]

Do not forget Maxply McEnroe(stiff) and Biomimetic 200G.

 

[LeeD]

My Bio3T is clearly a different frame than my 4DAero300's.

 

[SteveI]

My Bio3T is clearly a different frame than my 4DAero300's.

Yea... because one is a Tour.. and the other is a non tour...

The Bio 300T is in the 300 Tour line.. wow I need a drink....Yikes,,

 

[swinter07]

After the first Bio line, there was Bio M300 Classic, same gen as Bio M3.0. (Maybe didn't appear in some regions)

I have played with 4D 300, Bio 300, Bio M300. Differences were not big

 

[racket king]

Wrong.. they are indeed part of that line...

Most of that line had a slightly different mold and lay-up...

The HM 300 and Bio 300 are close as are the Mfil 300 and AG 300/4D 300..

The M 3.0 and M3.1 are pretty much the same frame.. I have played all of them..

The molds might be slightly different .. the the intention of Dunlop that are all from that line..

Like I said previously, the M3.0 and M3.1 are not part of the same line.

The 'M' lines were produced during an era when a 'big box' company in the UK started messing with the rackets, cheapening the manufacturing, adding in marketing driven gimmicks to try and compete with Babolat from a sales standpoint etc. They failed miserably.

They have a different mold, different drill pattern, different layup and other gimmicks marketed as 'technology' etc etc. You can't say it's the same line when it has a completely different shaped hoop, different layup, different drill pattern etc.

The M3.1 for example plays nothing like say the Aerogel 300. They're about as similar as the 1st generation Babolat Pure Strike 98 16x19 might be to the 300. They're completely different rackets.

The last 'pure' 300 was the Aerogel 4D. Even the Biomimetic 300 was starting to getting iffy because although it had the same mold, it also had a cheapened construction and other SDI driven marketing gimmicks.

The M3.0 was a completely different starting point and the start of a different racket line, with them retaining a '3' in the name simply for marketing purposes in accordance with their strategy of cheaply buying once well established brands that had since faded eg. Dunlop, Slazenger, Donnay, Carlton etc to brand cheaper / different goods and use that branding to try and drive sales.

 

[TBT]

I do not know if you guys can help me, I currently play with a pair of Aerogel 3Hundred , with increased weight, lead at 12 and buttcap. Currently with 340g, 9hl, SW 320. I love the racket plus feel the small sweetspot. The elongated shape of the head makes this possible. But does anyone have this feeling?

 

[Shangri La]

I think Bio Max 200G also is.

 

[SteveI]

M3.0 and M3.1 are a modern version of the 300 line...

Still in that line... all the 300s play a bit different.

 

[SteveI]

After the first Bio line, there was Bio M300 Classic, same gen as Bio M3.0. (Maybe didn't appear in some regions)

I have played with 4D 300, Bio 300, Bio M300. Differences were not big

A 300 is a 300 is a 300.... one is more muted.. one more raw feeling... One Aerogel 300 4D had a nice high SW.. the HM 300 and Bio 300 were about 300... they are still all in that line. I own M3.0, 3.1... AG 4D 300 and a Bio 300. Not a lot of difference. The M3.0 and M3.1 play crisp and fast and lack some feel... but if you have modern strokes you will be impressed.

 

[SteveI]

A 300 is a 300 is a 300.... one is more muted.. one more raw feeling... One Aerogel 300 4D had a nice high SW.. the HM 300 and Bio 300 were about 300... they are still all in that line. I own M3.0, 3.1... AG 4D 300 and a Bio 300. Not a lot of difference. The M3.0 and M3.1 play crisp and fast and lack some feel... but if you have modern strokes you will be impressed.

We are splinting hairs here...

 

[MikeMechanic]

In my country the M-Fil 300 and the Aerogel 300 belonged to the more popular sticks. Shame it went down the drain. Dunlop doesn't even have their own website anymore. As Racket King cleared out, their new lines are full of marketing gimmicks not contributing anything. Their new grommet system is questionable as I pointed out in this topic: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...drilled-string-holes-engineering-flaw.594480/

 

[racket king]

M3.0 and M3.1 are a modern version of the 300 line...

Still in that line... all the 300s play a bit different.

The Aerogel 300 and M3.0 are different rackets. They don't share anything.

I could buy the rights to the Dunlop brand, have a racket manufactured for me in China to my specifications, stick a 'Dunlop 300' decal on it and sell it for $150. Doesn't mean it's the same racket.

For something to be the 'same line', there has to be carry over eg. the different generations of the Six One 95. Here there is none.

Not a lot of difference.

That's like saying there's not alot of difference between the Aerogel 300 and the Prestige S.

You're just falling for the marketing (which is what SDI wanted).

 

[racket king]

their new lines are full of marketing gimmicks not contributing anything. Their new grommet system is questionable as I pointed out in this topic: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...drilled-string-holes-engineering-flaw.594480/

If you think that's bad, their 'gecko skin' paint, 'copper wire technology' etc is on a whole different level of gimmickry....

 

[D-A-C]

Here are some of my Dunlop 300s, From the 300G to the Biomimetic 300.

Currently have 3 x 300G, 2 x MFIL 300, 4 x Aerogel 300, 2 x 4D 300 & 3 x Biomimetic 300

Tried the M3.0 and never liked it.

 

[joohan]

I do not know if you guys can help me, I currently play with a pair of Aerogel 3Hundred , with increased weight, lead at 12 and buttcap. Currently with 340g, 9hl, SW 320. I love the racket plus feel the small sweetspot. The elongated shape of the head makes this possible. But does anyone have this feeling?

I've mostly played with Tour versions (Aerogel, Bio300T, F300Classic Tour) but all of them need lead at 3/9 to widen the sweetspot.

 

[LeeD]

My Bio300T's get 24" of 1/2" lead in the inside of the head and that much more under the grip.

 

[D-A-C]

I've mostly played with Tour versions (Aerogel, Bio300T, F300Classic Tour) but all of them need lead at 3/9 to widen the sweetspot.

Tried the Bio 300 Tour, incredible paint job on that racket, but i never got on with it. And yes the 300s needed lead at 3 and 9

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

hm 300g was a Paul Angell design when he was with dunlop as was the maxply mcenroe if we are talking lineage here

 

[MikeMechanic]

Maybe not the real Dunlop anymore, still one of the better looking sticks.

 

[TBT]

I've mostly played with Tour versions (Aerogel, Bio300T, F300Classic Tour) but all of them need lead at 3/9 to widen the sweetspot.

Thanks for the answer. My racket has 3g in 12. I think I'll move to 10 and 2. Do you think it solves it? Or do I have to necessarily put in 9 and 3? I like the current spin.

 

[SteveI]

Here are some of my Dunlop 300s, From the 300G to the Biomimetic 300.

Currently have 3 x 300G, 2 x MFIL 300, 4 x Aerogel 300, 2 x 4D 300 & 3 x Biomimetic 300

Tried the M3.0 and never liked it.

 

[SteveI]

great looking sticks..............

 

[Roland G]

I have a 300 Tour which I pull out for doubles sometimes. Really nice stick, great control, feel and touch. Low powered and super comfortable

 

[BorgCash]

I have HM 300, M-Fil 300, Maxply McEnroe and Bio Max 200G, looking like the same mold to me. Weighted up the first two to 340gr, and the last two to 345gr.

 

[FV_Br]

I am huge fan of the 300 g hot melt, I would say the most confortable racquet I played. Currently using the prince 100P, very similar in confort, but less power.

 

[robbo1970]

The Bio300T is a different racquet. Different headsize (97) and string pattern (18/20).

I think the molds on the 300's have changed slightly over the years. The M-Fil looks to have a slightly wider opening at the base of the throat and the AG and 4D version do not have the indent curves at the shoulder of the throat.

The HM300G, Bio300 and Bio Max200G all share an identical mold though.

I often use the HM300G and Bio300. Very similar indeed, although I would say the HM has a slightly more solid feel to it, despite speccing out almost identically.

Great platforms and I have found that adding a bit of weight to handle adds sufficient stability without the need to add anything to the hoop. But that's just my preference.

 

[joohan]

Thanks for the answer. My racket has 3g in 12. I think I'll move to 10 and 2. Do you think it solves it? Or do I have to necessarily put in 9 and 3? I like the current spin.

Try and let me know I leaded it from 8-10:30/4-1:30 until I was fully satisfied with torsional stability and size of the sweetspot. All countered at the grip. TC97 18x20 does not require as much lead...if any.

 

[TripleB]

I leaded up my HotMelt 300G to match the specs of my AeroGel 4D 300. Put 5g in the handle, 2g in the throat, and 3g from about 9:30 to 11:00. Both are now 325 grams and 4 points headlight with overgrip, rubberband, and headtape. Although both offer a slightly different feel (swingweight and stiffness difference) I really love both racquets!

About the only racquet today that offers similar specs to the AG 4D 300 is the Prince Textreme Tour 100T....the 60 flex of the AG 4D 300 is tough to match!

TripleB

 

[SteveI]

I leaded up my HotMelt 300G to match the specs of my AeroGel 4D 300. Put 5g in the handle, 2g in the throat, and 3g from about 9:30 to 11:00. Both are now 325 grams and 4 points headlight with overgrip, rubberband, and headtape. Although both offer a slightly different feel (swingweight and stiffness difference) I really love both racquets!

About the only racquet today that offers similar specs to the AG 4D 300 is the Prince Textreme Tour 100T....the 60 flex of the AG 4D 300 is tough to match!

TripleB

The AG 4D 300 is my fav.. as a matter of fact I just picked up another one... Very stable and soft. BTW.. took all my 300s to the court today... boy they seem to play pretty much all like Dunlop 300s... Even the poor old M3.0 and the M3.1... a product of bad design.. and poor construction...

 

[BorgCash]

Try and let me know I leaded it from 8-10:30/4-1:30 until I was fully satisfied with torsional stability and size of the sweetspot. All countered at the grip. TC97 18x20 does not require as much lead...if any.

So, what's a total weight and balance of yours?

 

[joohan]

So, what's a total weight and balance of yours?

I also have a strip from 11-1, electrical tape (sort of black rubber one) over lead at the grip, Volkl leather instead of synthetic - total weight is around 355g. Balance is a pure guess but I'd say it's around 6-7 pts HL.

 

[TBT]

Try and let me know I leaded it from 8-10:30/4-1:30 until I was fully satisfied with torsional stability and size of the sweetspot. All countered at the grip. TC97 18x20 does not require as much lead...if any.

Last night I tested with 1.5g in 10 and 2, being 3g in total. I felt the sweetspot slightly bigger, my ball got deeper but I lost a lot of spin, amazing how to move the weight from 12 to 10 and 2 can change both the racket. I even noticed in the string that had less wear. I'm going to play another week or two and see if I keep this up. Thanks!

 

[robbo1970]

Anyone just added weight to the handle and nothing to the hoop of their non-tour 300?

i.e. just adding some mass and making it more HL.

 

[BorgCash]

I also have a strip from 11-1, electrical tape (sort of black rubber one) over lead at the grip, Volkl leather instead of synthetic - total weight is around 355g. Balance is a pure guess but I'd say it's around 6-7 pts HL.

Sounds good to me. I did not put any lead on the head and the racquets play great. My be will try to put some.

 

[SteveI]

Technical Specifications Dunlop M3.0

Length 27 inches 69 centimeters
Head Size 98 square inches 632 square centimeters
Weight 11 ounces 312 grams
Balance Point 13.25 inches
34 centimeters 2 Pts Head Light
Construction 22mm / 22mm / 22.5mm
Composition BioFibre
String Pattern 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Flex Rating 66 Range: 0-100
Swing Weight 318 Range: 200-400

Technical Specifications Dunlop AG 4D 300

Head Size: 98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 10.9oz / 309g
Balance: 3pts Head Light
Swingweight: 320
Stiffness: 60
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Aerogel 4D Braided Graphite
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Hydramax Tour
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 55-65 pounds

 

[SteveI]

If it walks like a duck talks like a duck ... etc LOL.. it is a Dunlop 300...

The M3.0 has a much more modern feel to be sure. The AG 4D 300 is plush and has a soft players frame feel. I played both today...

 

[joohan]

Sounds good to me. I did not put any lead on the head and the racquets play great. My be will try to put some.

I am in a de-leading phase with my other frames (taking off rather than putting on) but I won't mess with my 300T setup. It plays near perfect for me this way.

 

[BorgCash]

I am in a de-leading phase with my other frames (taking off rather than putting on) but I won't mess with my 300T setup. It plays near perfect for me this way.

How much weight did you put at the hoop?

 

[WYK]

If it walks like a duck talks like a duck ... etc LOL.. it is a Dunlop 300...

The M3.0 has a much more modern feel to be sure. The AG 4D 300 is plush and has a soft players frame feel. I played both today...

Those sound like two completely different ducks.

 

[SteveI]

Nope... I can move back and forth between the two... Just a different feel and bit more power for the M3.0. Why do you think Dunlop named it M3.0... not a mistake by the marketing department. It was meant to be in the 300G line.. Simple as that.

 

[WYK]

Nope... I can move back and forth between the two... Just a different feel and bit more power for the M3.0. Why do you think Dunlop named it M3.0... not a mistake by the marketing department. It was meant to be in the 300G line.. Simple as that.

The marketing seems to be working. We'll agree on this.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

Hi Dunlop 300–lineage guys!

What do you think about Dunlop Hotmelt 300G in comparison to Dunlop AeroGel 4D – feel/touch, power?
They seems have quite a gap in stiffness points. Is that easy to feel playing with both? Is this the same mold?

Have you all had a chance to play new Dunlop Srixon C2.0 Tour or CX200 rackets? Are they similar somehow to old 300's Dunlops?
Or are they modern incarnations of 200's line (as Srixon suggest)?

Thanks!

 

[hoodjem]

I pulled a Dunlop AeroGel 4D 300 racquet off my "Wall of Frames" and have been playing extremely well with it. I also have a Dunlop Hot Melt 300 that I leaded up to have the same weight and balance of the AG 4D 300...although I know the swingweight is less and it is more stiff.

I'm just wondering if anyone can tell me the lineage of the standard Dunlop 300 (ie: in that 10.8 to 11.2 oz range with 16 mains) line in chronological order?

What I've found in a TW search...not sure of order or racquets I've left out:
- Dunlop 300G Midplus
- Dunlop Hot Melt 300G
- Dunlop M-Fil 300
- Dunlop Aerogel 3Hundred
- Dunlop AeroGel 4D 3Hundred
- Dunlop Biomimetic 300
- Dunlop Biomimetic M3.0
- Dunlop Biofibre M3.1

Thanks for any help/corrections/extra info you can provide!!!

TripleB

I have two Dunlop Aerogel 3Hundred (Euro) 16X18 models. Heavier than 16X19.

 

[SteveI]

Hi Dunlop 300–lineage guys!

What do you think about Dunlop Hotmelt 300G in comparison to Dunlop AeroGel 4D – feel/touch, power?
They seems have quite a gap in stiffness points. Is that easy to feel playing with both? Is this the same mold?

Have you all had a chance to play new Dunlop Srixon C2.0 Tour or CX200 rackets? Are they similar somehow to old 300's Dunlops?
Or are they modern incarnations of 200's line (as Srixon suggest)?

Thanks!

The 4D is the best of all of them IMHO..

 

[DJ-]

I have two Dunlop Aerogel 3Hundred (Euro) 16X18 models. Heavier than 16X19.

I've actually switched to this (like a true holic) recently as I love it. I managed to get a hold of two from another user here who had four brand new and some near mint. I haven't tried all dunlops but this one is GOAT for me. 8 mains in throat 16x18 97sqin 61ra. Are you using this?

 

[hoodjem]

I've actually switched to this (like a true holic) recently as I love it. I managed to get a hold of two from another user here who had four brand new and some near mint. I haven't tried all dunlops but this one is GOAT for me. 8 mains in throat 16x18 97sqin 61ra. Are you using this?

I use the AG4D 300 regularly, but keep these Euro versions in my bag.

I believe that the 4D 300 has a little more "feel", but I do wish the AG4D had the weight and plow-through of the 16X18.
(I have added lead-tape to the AG4D, but can only get it up to 11.3 ounces.)