Federer Still Getting Gold

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
in tennis a gold medal in the olympics is similar to a major title. most players would rather have a singles medal (or title) than a doubles. still, i hope fed and stan get the gold because it would still be something for him to be proud of, and would be a bright point in a year that's been pretty bad for him. it would be nice to see fed happy and celebrating again. on the other hand, seeing tommy johansson win olympic gold would be pretty sweet as well.
Actually, the Olympics is very different from a regular tour tournament. On the tour, if you win the doubles you get less prize money and a different (usually smaller) trophy than the singles. At the Olympics, you get the same prize money (zero) and the same gold medal and the same pride and recognition for your country.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Yeah that is why we haven't seen one match in doubles the whole Olympics. Yes I'm sure it means just as much as Singles or Michael Phelps Medals. :rolleyes:
What are you talking about? I've been watching a lot of the doubles (as well as the singles) ALL ONLINE! The first and ONLY live tennis they have shown on any channel on TV was the Nadal-Djokovic semi, and I had to go to MSNBC to see it. Before that, there was very little tennis shown at all on TV, and only bits and pieces on tape, no complete matches and NONE live.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Federer fans now reduced to arguing that a doubles win is as prestigious (or meaningful) as a singles win :shock: This is so unreal I have to pinch myself :) (guys I'm teasing a little but I am glad that Federer will get a medal after all!)
Is a gold medal in the 100M butterfly more "prestigious" than a gold medal in the 100M freestyle? A gold medal means you beat everyone else and you're better than everyone else.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I disagree with the all Gold Medals are equal. There are definitely levels. Everyone strives to be a singles player first and doubles second. It is still a nice accomplishment to win Doubles but nothing compared to singles. Are really arguing that doubles is equal?
Who said? Have you asked everyone in the world who has ever played tennis? :roll:

The Bryan brothers were groomed to be a doubles team from the day they were born.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
What are you talking about? I've been watching a lot of the doubles (as well as the singles) ALL ONLINE! The first and ONLY live tennis they have shown on any channel on TV was the Nadal-Djokovic semi, and I had to go to MSNBC to see it. Before that, there was very little tennis shown at all on TV, and only bits and pieces on tape, no complete matches and NONE live.
You remember who won the gold in singles at the last Olympics? I do. I even remember when Agassi won it. Do you remember who won the doubles? Frankly I don't and I doubt you'll find many people who will. It's good for the country and for the athletes themselves but you can't be serious saying the impact between doubles and singles wins is no different...
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
You remember who won the gold in singles at the last Olympics? I do. I even remember when Agassi won it. Do you remember who won the doubles? Frankly I don't and I doubt you'll find many people who will. It's good for the country and for the athletes themselves but you can't be serious saying the impact between doubles and singles wins is no different...
Gonzalez and Massu won the gold in doubles at the last Olympics. I do remember it.

Do you remember who won the gold in singles in 1992? Without looking it up? How about in 2000?
 

vtmike

Banned
I disagree with the all Gold Medals are equal. There are definitely levels. Everyone strives to be a singles player first and doubles second. It is still a nice accomplishment to win Doubles but nothing compared to singles. Are really arguing that doubles is equal?

r u serious?? ur saying winning in a team sport is not as important as winning in a solo sport?? and y?? just becoz nadal might win the singles title?
 

tata

Hall of Fame
IMO i think playing doubles is harder than singles because you have to put a lot of faith and trust with your partner as well as communicate well.I mean yea it seems singles is more popular but that doesnt mean winning in doubles is not an achievement because like i mention before,it is harder to play.Besides,being a tennis player one should be able to play all aspects of the game anyway.I havent watched fed play his doubles matches but id imagine his backhand passing shot would come in handy.
 

luckyboy1300

Hall of Fame
did anyone see the ritual-looking thing fed did to his partner after the semi match? It looked like he was grinding up something (imaginary) in his hands then sprinkled it on his partner. I still have no idea what he was doing.

federer said that stan was like a fire and he did those hand gestures to warm himself
 

luckyboy1300

Hall of Fame
You remember who won the gold in singles at the last Olympics? I do. I even remember when Agassi won it. Do you remember who won the doubles? Frankly I don't and I doubt you'll find many people who will. It's good for the country and for the athletes themselves but you can't be serious saying the impact between doubles and singles wins is no different...

ask how many people know who won the singles gold in 2004. few would have said massu. massu, who? massu is a nobody. even at that time. come on! agassi was remembered as a singles gold winner because at that time he was a SOMEBODY already, not a nobody. now, federer may win the doubles gold. if they do, would you bet against people remembering who won the doubles gold in 2008 olympics?
 

babbette

Legend
Roger looks more pumped up in doubles! Oh Roger are you going to leave singles to focus on doubles like Navratilova?:(
 
Federer fans now reduced to arguing that a doubles win is as prestigious (or meaningful) as a singles win :shock: This is so unreal I have to pinch myself :) (guys I'm teasing a little but I am glad that Federer will get a medal after all!)

Its like I died and went to heaven.

If it were not so beautiful it would actually be sad. I am actually embarrassd for them.
 

AAAA

Hall of Fame
Wawrinka in highly unlikely to ever win a tennis major. He is very close top winning a Gold medal which is likely to be Stan's greatest sporting achievement.

For Federer to spearhead a doubles win against Simon Aspelin/Thomas Johansson (Swe), which looks likely on paper, Federer should feel good about himself for helping a fellow countrymen achieve what is likely to be his best sporting success. This point in my view is the only way a doubles has a plus point over a singles gold.
 

dave333

Hall of Fame
While I don't believe that the doubles gold is quite as prestigious as a singles title, it is something unique in his trophy case.
 

vtmike

Banned
Roger looks more pumped up in doubles! Oh Roger are you going to leave singles to focus on doubles like Navratilova?:(

Just becoz he lost in singles does not mean he is not focused!!! r u capable of posting comments tht make any sense at all?? or r u u so in love with rafa tht u will type anything to make fed look bad?
get a life and stop dreaming abt rafa all the time! lol :)
 

Gilgamesh

Semi-Pro
An Olympic gold no matter the event is a great accomplishment but it no way compares to if Fed won the individual gold.

It's like saying hey if Fed wins a double FO it is comparable to winning individual FO.
 

vtmike

Banned
An Olympic gold no matter the event is a great accomplishment but it no way compares to if Fed won the individual gold.

It's like saying hey if Fed wins a double FO it is comparable to winning individual FO.

Although i agree somewhat tht an individual gold might mean more to fed, but finally a gold medal is a gold medal and comparison to a grand slam dosen't make sense in the olympics..i mean in the olympics ur playing for the country and not for yourself, so i guess a gold in both singles and doubles would be much more closer than lets say in the us open...
 

Gilgamesh

Semi-Pro
Although i agree somewhat tht an individual gold might mean more to fed, but finally a gold medal is a gold medal and comparison to a grand slam dosen't make sense in the olympics..i mean in the olympics ur playing for the country and not for yourself, so i guess a gold in both singles and doubles would be much more closer than lets say in the us open...

It might be closer when you look at the bigger picture (i.e. country and etc) but the individual gold for a sport that is mainly magnified by individual achievements is much more glorified. In terms of sentiment a doubles gold might have similar meaning to the player and country but in terms of legacy it does not add or really detract since tennis is mainly seen as an individual sport no matter the tournament being played.
 

David L

Hall of Fame
You remember who won the gold in singles at the last Olympics? I do. I even remember when Agassi won it. Do you remember who won the doubles? Frankly I don't and I doubt you'll find many people who will. It's good for the country and for the athletes themselves but you can't be serious saying the impact between doubles and singles wins is no different...
Federer has proven himself a million times as a singles player at the most important singles events in tennis. He is already considered the greatest singles player ever by many, at the age of only 27. To have a gold medal in singles, as opposed to doubles, would be a more important achievement for someone who had not done well in the Slams, like Massu or Gonzalez, but not Federer. A doubles gold demonstrates his consummate skill and versatility as a tennis player. The guy's talent is complete. Some singles players cannot play doubles well and some doubles players cannot play singles well. Federer can do both at the highest possible level. A doubles gold just confirms his completeness.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
You think winning a doubles Gold will make up for losing the singles? A gold's a gold right?

For his country>>. YES.

For him personally>> NO.

Although he must be proud of this achievement, the singles has been the top goal for him.
 

JonJon

New User
Well done, Roger Federer. A gold medal is a gold medal. Obviously he would have probably preferred gold in both the singles and doubles. However, he and Warwinka did beat the no.1 pairing in the Bryans. No mean feat. Professional sportsmen compete to win no matter what event or competition they compete. Losing is not, and should not be acceptable for any professional sportsman. Well done, Roger.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
Is a gold medal in the 100M butterfly more "prestigious" than a gold medal in the 100M freestyle? A gold medal means you beat everyone else and you're better than everyone else.

Actually a gold medal on the 100M freestyle is a lot more prestigious than anything else. That is the way it is, just ask a professional swimmer. Just like a 100M sprint medal means more than a 200M one or a 4X100M relay medal to compare individual sports with collective ones.
 
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matchmaker

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That's funny for someone that doesn't even play tennis. How would you even know the difference? You do know doubles is played by a lot more people than play singles, right? Yes, that's the way tennis is.

You only think doubles is not as important as singles because Nadal has no chance ever to win a gold medal in doubles.

If Nadal wins the gold in singles and Federer wins the gold in doubles, guess what? They will BOTH be Olympic gold medalist for the rest of their lives. People will always refer to the BOTH of them as "Olympic gold medalists". When they die, their obituaries will start with "Olympic Gold Medalist Rafael Nadal" or "Olympic Gold Medalist Roger Federer".

Do you think Micheal Phelps feels any less proud that none of his 6 gold medals (soon to be 8 ) are for the 100M freestyle? Not one bit!

Anyone who wins a gold medal wins a gold medal for their country. That's all that counts. It doesn't really matter which specfic event in swimming, track, equestrian, wrestling, boxing, gymnastics, rowing, fencing, etc., or tennis that you won. The fact is you were the best in the world in the competiton and you won a gold medal in your sport.


No, they will not be remembered both in the same way. Nadal will be remembered as the single's gold medal and Federer as the double's gold medal. That is the way it is. Agassi is remembered for his gold medal in singles. Hardly anyone knows that Stich and Becker won the Olympics double tournament.

Michael Phelps may reach the amount of 8 medals but professional athletes do consider his relay medals as less valuable, so in a way people can still say that Spitz' record is better.
 

Oui c'est moi.

Hall of Fame
Just becoz he lost in singles does not mean he is not focused!!! r u capable of posting comments tht make any sense at all?? or r u u so in love with rafa tht u will type anything to make fed look bad?
get a life and stop dreaming abt rafa all the time! lol :)
Chill. She didn't say anything bad about Federer at all.
 

VamosRafa

Hall of Fame
Congrats to Fed and Stan. It is a great achievement, and they had to beat the Bryans to win it. To win Olympic gold in doubles is more than a consolation prize I agree that it doesn't necessarily add to his individual legacy, but it does add to his status in his country. And I think it would be satisfying to win it as a team with another countryman. That is part of the Olympic spirit.
 

pow

Hall of Fame
Did anyone else catch that match at 4 in the morning. Federer and Wawrinka played some insane doubles to claim the gold. I can't believe the speed of those volleys were humanly possible, even Johannson I must say, played quite well. The backhands on the Swiss side were a thing of beauty!
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Actually a gold medal on the 100M freestyle is a lot more prestigious than anything else. That is the way it is, just ask a professional swimmer. Just like a 100M sprint medal means more than a 200M one or a 4X100M relay medal to compare individual sports with collective ones.
So I guess we can call Michael Phelps a complete and utter failure then since he didn't win the gold in the 100M freestyle? :-?

A gold medal is a gold medal. It doesn't matter what you win it in. All the gold medals are indentical.

Everyone will remember that Phelps won 8 gold medals (likely) in a single Olympics and more gold medals than anyone in history (14) and he will be in the record books. In 10 years, no one will remember that he didn't win the gold medal in the 100M freestyle. Do you remember which gold medals Mark Spitz didn't win in 1972 without looking it up?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
No, they will not be remembered both in the same way. Nadal will be remembered as the single's gold medal and Federer as the double's gold medal. That is the way it is. Agassi is remembered for his gold medal in singles. Hardly anyone knows that Stich and Becker won the Olympics double tournament.

Michael Phelps may reach the amount of 8 medals but professional athletes do consider his relay medals as less valuable, so in a way people can still say that Spitz' record is better.
Agassi is only remembered because he's arguably the most famous, well-known, and popular tennis player (and one of the most famous sports persons in general) in history, and also because he won in Atlanta, inside the U.S. Do you remember who won the singles gold medals in 1988, 1992, and 2000 without looking it up?

BTW, 3 of the 7 gold medals that Mark Spitz won in 1972 were also in relays.
 

onkystomper

Hall of Fame
I disagree with the all Gold Medals are equal. There are definitely levels. Everyone strives to be a singles player first and doubles second. It is still a nice accomplishment to win Doubles but nothing compared to singles. Are really arguing that doubles is equal?

You Sir are a fool.
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
I don't understand people like Nadal_Freak. What are they trying to achieve here in their 5000 posts?
What are you trying to achieve? Nothing. I just like to discuss the sport I love. Unfortunately, *******s make Fed legendary for a doubles title. :)
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
Listen, i'm not the one with 5000 posts. Why don't you stop bumming nadal and get a life little boy. He doesn't know you exist..
I'm 25 and I got bad shoulders and knees. I would love to play tennis like I used to but that is not an option anymore. I take out my hostility out on this site occasionally as well as the excitement of Nadal proving you haters wrong. I wouldn't know what to say to Nadal if I met him but I'm still a big fan.
 

Morpheus

Professional
^^ Nadal will be joining you soon with your bad shoulders and knees. Maybe then you two will have something in common.
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
^^ Nadal will be joining you soon with your bad shoulders and knees. Maybe then you two will have something in common.
Not everyone is built the same. The fact I was never that strong didn't help my causes. It made my tendons more vulnerable to injury. Too bad I didn't think about this earlier.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I'm 25 and I got bad shoulders and knees. I would love to play tennis like I used to but that is not an option anymore. I take out my hostility out on this site occasionally as well as the excitement of Nadal proving you haters wrong. I wouldn't know what to say to Nadal if I met him but I'm still a big fan.
Geez...you'd better stop trying to play like Nadal then. Bad shoulders and knees at the young age of only 25? I'm more than two decades older than you and I have no problems at all with my shoulders nor knees and I've been playing on hard courts all of my life. Better learn to serve and volley, kid.
 
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matchmaker

Hall of Fame
Agassi is only remembered because he's arguably the most famous, well-known, and popular tennis player (and one of the most famous sports persons in general) in history, and also because he won in Atlanta, inside the U.S. Do you remember who won the singles gold medals in 1988, 1992, and 2000 without looking it up?

BTW, 3 of the 7 gold medals that Mark Spitz won in 1972 were also in relays.

So now the fact that it was Agassi who won the medal makes it memorable, when you just said that any gold medal is equal in worth?

BTW I do agree that former Olympic tennis tournaments were very weak but the same can't be said this year. Everyone wanted to win and all the best, excluding Roddick (if you can count him among the best), players participated.
 

m_b

New User
I think this doubles gold medal will be remembered because Federer won it.
Federer will remember it too. He and Stan were ecstatic and it was wonderful to see.
Nadal_Freak surely you can see as well as anybody that it was a beautiful moment. Whether Nadal wins the singles gold or not won't change that.
As to your injuries - at 25 it's not the end of it. But it's time to get to work. Look up John Peterson on Amazon. His books have great exercises that work great for rehab and building life-long strength. Also, eastern disciplines like tai chi can teach you a lot about optimal efficiency in physical movement.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
So I guess we can call Michael Phelps a complete and utter failure then since he didn't win the gold in the 100M freestyle? :-?

A gold medal is a gold medal. It doesn't matter what you win it in. All the gold medals are indentical.

Everyone will remember that Phelps won 8 gold medals (likely) in a single Olympics and more gold medals than anyone in history (14) and he will be in the record books. In 10 years, no one will remember that he didn't win the gold medal in the 100M freestyle. Do you remember which gold medals Mark Spitz didn't win in 1972 without looking it up?

Off course Phelps is a great athlete but let's not forget he had his share of luck in the relay against the French and it was veteran Lezak who saved his *ss by swimming an incredible relay against the French bullet Bernard, who actually won the most prestigious distance, i.e. 100M freestyle. And also in the duel on the 200M butterfly with the Serb Cavic he was rather lucky considering anyone who was watching saw Cavic win only to be corrected afterwards that Phelps won by 0.01 sec.
 

Morpheus

Professional
Off course Phelps is a great athlete but let's not forget he had his share of luck in the relay against the French and it was veteran Lezak who saved his *ss by swimming an incredible relay against the French bullet Bernard, who actually won the most prestigious distance, i.e. 100M freestyle.

Lezak swam his leg in 46:06, well under the world record of 47:05 and under Bernard's winning Olympic time of 47:21. Phelps swam a 47:51 split.

I'd say that was a Herculean effort.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
Lezak swam his leg in 46:06, well under the world record of 47:05 and under Bernard's winning Olympic time of 47:21. Phelps swam a 47:51 split.

I'd say that was a Herculean effort.

Yep, all the credit should go to Lezak for that but as it is people will only remember it as one more of Phelps' medals.:(
 

pow

Hall of Fame
I'm 25 and I got bad shoulders and knees. I would love to play tennis like I used to but that is not an option anymore. I take out my hostility out on this site occasionally as well as the excitement of Nadal proving you haters wrong. I wouldn't know what to say to Nadal if I met him but I'm still a big fan.

Wow, now I know why you love Nadal so much... you can relate and sympathize to his knee injuries.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
So now the fact that it was Agassi who won the medal makes it memorable, when you just said that any gold medal is equal in worth?
Yes, equal in worth to the person who won it and to the country they're from. Not how many people remember who won it years later. That was your point, not mine. You brought up Agassi, not me. If some much lesser known player won the gold in singles in 1996, I doubt you would have remembered who is was today. Like I said, I doubt you remember who won the singles gold medals in 1988, 1992, and 2000 without looking it up. So it's not a matter of if it was in singles or doubles. It's a matter of who won it.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I think this doubles gold medal will be remembered because Federer won it.
Yes, that's what I'm also saying. How much it's remembered depends on how famous the person winning it was, not whether it was singles or doubles.
 
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