Federer vs Djokovic, who would win at their peak?

[TheAssassin]

Notice some of the hesitation and begrudgingly admitting Djokovic's superiority at events where it actually couldn't be more obvious lol...

They can make it so difficult for one another at most of the tournaments. Such was the match up on many occasions. Once it does get to that point however, where the weight of one point/game is massive, Djokovic is more likely to prevail. Not to mention the significant boost if he gets the opening set as Fed virtually never recovered from those positions.

 

[Kralingen]

Fed has a match up advantage against Djokovic.

 

[Winners or Errors]

OP, why bother with this thread when everyone on the board already knows how it will play out?

 

[fedfan24]

OP, why bother with this thread when everyone on the board already knows how it will play out?

I apologise sir I was drunk

 

[inflation_era]

Hypothetical peak Federer is undefeated.

Similar to how hypothetical Nadal is always injured when he loses, or rather, that is the real Nadal.

 

[big ted]

Prime Djokovic would lose on the overhead lol

 

[Federev]

simply who would at their best Federer vs Djokovic?

AO - give this to Djokovic. Even if we say 05/07 Federer vs 11 Djokovic I think Djokovic in 5.

IW - Federer. Peak Djokovic narrowly defeated 14/15 Federer. I think 05/06 Federer takes this in 3.
Miami - Djokovic. 2015 narrowly over 05 Federer.

MC - Federer. H2H Fed wins this, 06 vs 13 or whatever version.
Rome - Djokovic. BO3 2011 Djokovic over 06 Fed. 06 Fed was only time he really brought it here.
Hamburg or Madrid - Federer. 02/05/07 Federer wins.
RG - 05/06 Federer over 2012 Djokovic. He was already outplaying him in 2012 but the UFE killed him. Peak version would win.

W - 03-06 Federer in 4 close sets. See 2012 SF.

Canada - Djokovic. 07 takes it over 07 Federer.
Cincy - any of 05/07/09/12/15 over any Djokovic
USO - any 04-08 Federer comfortably over 11/15 djokoivc

Madrid indoors/Shanghai - 06 Federer > any Djokovic on a faster HC
Paris indoors - very close but give Djokovic the edge over 2011 Federer
YEC - 03 or 06 Federer wins


So we have
3>1 in slams for Federer
5>4 in masters for Federer
1>0 in YEC for Federer

What it tells us? Federer is the best player of all time outside of Nadal on clay. Djokovic got lucky that he was born later than Federer so he could inflate his stats vs the non existent 90s gen. Both great players but Fed is clear on HC and grass.

I’ll always look at well post-peak Fed taking out Novak at his peak at RG 2011, WB 2012, all in four sets…and getting match points at USO in ‘10-‘11, (after beating him 3 years in a row) as pretty definitive.

As I’ve asked before, if that’s how post-peak 2011-12 Fed stacks up against peak Novak, is 2006 Roger going to be worse?

 

[djokovic the conqueror]

Djokovic and it's not even close.

Federer is really lucky that he was older because if they were the same age, he would've lost the majority of his matches against Djokovic.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic and it's not even close.

Federer is really lucky that he was older because if they were the same age, he would've lost the majority of his matches against Djokovic.

 

[Third Serve]

Fed leads by a huge margin everywhere except for daytime Miami Open conditions.

 

[Holmes]

Roger Federer has a record 10 Halle titles.

How many Basel titles?

 

[Holmes]

Fed leads by a huge margin everywhere except for daytime Miami Open conditions.

And the real life h2h of course.

 

[Oceans II]

 

[Holmes]

Djokovic wins a majority everywhere except the US Open where I think it's an even split.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic wins a majority everywhere except the US Open where I think it's an even split.

 

[Razer]

Djokovic and it's not even close.

Federer is really lucky that he was older because if they were the same age, he would've lost the majority of his matches against Djokovic.

Not even close? Djokovic is a peasant compared to Federer talentwise, even at age 38 Federer had MPs vs Novak, you think it is not close ? Are you watching Tennis from 2020 ? You sound like you are 16 years old.

What you've written is the opposite of reality, it is Djokovic who is lucky Federer was not of his age or a bit younger than Nole, in such scenarios it would be Djokovic who would struggle more against Federer. Djokovic imposing his stamina and mental toughness in close matches wont work then because match would be over swiftly, racquet talentwise Federer is a vastly superior player to Djokovic.

 

[TheSlicer]

I didnt watch much live matches before 2000, but from then on, talent wise, Federer is the biggest talent by some marging i have seen holding a racquet, you had to watch that man live to understand, the things he did, how he did them... No one could ever play like that, that talent didnt always win his matches, but boy could he do anything with that ball like It was nothing, taking ultra hard shots on the rise from the backhand side with just with a Flick of his wrist like It was nothing again and again, virtuoso shots all over the court, it was always beyond my understanding, i love rafa and i respect novak, but its just something different, theres a reason everybody wants to play like federer when they pick up a racquet

 

[Holmes]

Not even close? Djokovic is a peasant compared to Federer talentwise, even at age 38 Federer had MPs vs Novak, you think it is not close ? Are you watching Tennis from 2020 ? You sound like you are 16 years old.

What you've written is the opposite of reality, it is Djokovic who is lucky Federer was not of his age or a bit younger than Nole, in such scenarios it would be Djokovic who would struggle more against Federer. Djokovic imposing his stamina and mental toughness in close matches wont work then because match would be over swiftly, racquet talentwise Federer is a vastly superior player to Djokovic.

Don't be silly. Federer had a solid 5 years to build a mental edge over a neophyte Novak struggling to figure out his mental game as well as his physical health. Despite that, he was still making, "prime Federer" run corner to corner like a gazelle from a crocodile during this period. Then of course when Novak did enter his stride, Roger's best response was to continually pout, frown and whine like a spoiled brat being denied his cookies at the Christmas table, or to continue the metaphor, a gazelle being denied his shrubbery by a Christmas crocodile.

As a Federer fan this is painful to admit, but the truth is what it is.

 

[jl809]

As this is the 1000th thread on this topic, I think I will do something useful here and summarise the arguments made by both sides here and in other threads

“Djokovic’s peak > Federer’s peak”

• Djokovic’s Nole slam + record number of ATP points from 2015-16. Statistically the best ever. Ridiculous tournament conversion rate, wins over Fed on grass, Nadal on clay etc
• Fed’s 04-07 stats are inflated by weak competition, era etc. Bagdhatis, Roddick, etc.
  • No coincidence that he looked more sketchy once he faced ATG competitors (Needing 5, and being down a break in set 3, Vs Old Agassi at USO 04/05, all the Ls to Nadal at RG, L to Safin at AO, being really pushed by Nadal at Wimbledon)
• More stats for highest year peak: Djokovic’s 10-1 vs Fedal in 2011. Incredible. In one of the strongest years of all time, no-one has dominated 2 ATGs like that
• Djoker better at multiple slams:
  • Djokovic 3-1 H2H vs Fed at Wimbledon, same at the AO. Featuring 2015 peak Fed at Wimbledon and 2008 peak/prime Fed at the AO (sometimes considered against non-peak Djoker in 08).
    • 2015 Fed was peak at Wimbledon, see SF Vs Murray.
  • RG: RG 2012 cancels out RG 2011. Too much focus on RG 2011 in isolation across all other results. Djokovic better RG peak because of matchup with Nadal (eg 2013)
• Djokovic has more slams across whole career. 24>20 is not remotely close anymore
• Djokovic has more weeks at number 1 across whole career; again, not even close anymore
• Djokovic has a longer peak (he was still peak in 2023)

“Federer’s peak > Djokovic’s peak”

• Statistics for yearly peaks are unmatched: Brutal dominance with the highest win %s ever. Crazy sweep of tournaments won etc in 05, 06; particularly 06, with only losses being to Nadal on clay for the entire year (except MuryGOAT at Cincy)
• Federer’s consecutive weeks at number 1, consecutive slam Fs and SFs etc during his 04-07 peak - absolutely unmatched
• Djoker’s 2015-16 stats are also inflated by weak competition, era etc. His Nole slam competition was non-Lendl Murray, 33 year old Fed and absolutely washed Nadal
• Court speed: Old post-prime Fed matching up fantastically on fast HC vs peak Djoker (Dubai, Cincy, Shanghai), suggesting peak Fed would have had a field day on faster 00s courts
• Fed better at 3 slams:
  • Wimbledon: Fed peak clear as Djoker struggled with non-peak Fed.
    • Non-prime Fed taking out prime Djoker at Wimbledon in 2012, peak Djoker needing 5 to beat even older Fed in 2014 + needing 4 to beat him in 2015. 2015 NOT peak Fed.
    • Fed also better vs Murray at Wim as well
  • USO: Fed clear as Djoker struggled with non-prime Fed even worse than at Wim. Non-prime Fed has 2 MPs vs best ever USO Djokovic in 2011, 34 year old Fed matches peakiest Djoker for stats in 2015 and basically mentally chokes away match rather than being outplayed
  • AO: H2H doesn’t reflect peak
    • Fed’s peak years at AO were 04, 05, 07, 09, 10. Djoker never really faced that Federer except once (07). Fed had mono in 08.
    • Plus Djoker’s peak mainly on plexi, Fed’s mainly on rebound
  • RG: Fed is clear as non-peak / prime Fed takes out best ever clay Djoker on 40 match win streak with 2 recent wins vs primedal on clay, and does so in 4 sets
    • Fed has more issues with Nadal but Djoker has issues with guys like Stan. Both peak Djokers lost to non-Nadal players

I will leave everyone here to debate the merits of these (and what “peak” means, which seems to be a point of contention for some Djoker fans)

Let me know if I have missed anything as well

 

[helterskelter]

Who cares? Neither of these two schlubs has ever or could ever win so much as a solitary moral point versus the true goat, Bull.

 

[NoleFam]

Another recycled coping thread. This thread has been created no less than 30 times in one way or another on this site and this isn't even an exaggeration. Djokovic career wise is clear of Federer. That's what we know. Time for you guys to move on and have discussions about the supposed superiority of Federer in the former pro section.

 

[RS]

Another recycled coping thread. This thread has been created no less than 30 times in one way or another on this site and this isn't even an exaggeration. Djokovic career wise is clear of Federer. That's what we know. Time for you guys to move on and have discussions about the supposed superiority of Federer in the former pro section.

Only 30. Lol

 

[RS]

As this is the 1000th thread on this topic, I think I will do something useful here and summarise the arguments made by both sides here and in other threads

“Djokovic’s peak > Federer’s peak”

• Djokovic’s Nole slam + record number of ATP points from 2015-16. Statistically the best ever. Ridiculous tournament conversion rate, wins over Fed on grass, Nadal on clay etc
• Fed’s 04-07 stats are inflated by weak competition, era etc. Bagdhatis, Roddick, etc.
  • No coincidence that he looked more sketchy once he faced ATG competitors (Needing 5, and being down a break in set 3, Vs Old Agassi at USO 04/05, all the Ls to Nadal at RG, L to Safin at AO, being really pushed by Nadal at Wimbledon)
• More stats for highest year peak: Djokovic’s 10-1 vs Fedal in 2011. Incredible. In one of the strongest years of all time, no-one has dominated 2 ATGs like that
• Djoker better at multiple slams:
  • Djokovic 3-1 H2H vs Fed at Wimbledon, same at the AO. Featuring 2015 peak Fed at Wimbledon and 2008 peak/prime Fed at the AO (sometimes considered against non-peak Djoker in 08).
    • 2015 Fed was peak at Wimbledon, see SF Vs Murray.
  • RG: RG 2012 cancels out RG 2011. Too much focus on RG 2011 in isolation across all other results. Djokovic better RG peak because of matchup with Nadal (eg 2013)
• Djokovic has more slams across whole career. 24>20 is not remotely close anymore
• Djokovic has more weeks at number 1 across whole career; again, not even close anymore
• Djokovic has a longer peak (he was still peak in 2023)

“Federer’s peak > Djokovic’s peak”

• Statistics for yearly peaks are unmatched: Brutal dominance with the highest win %s ever. Crazy sweep of tournaments won etc in 05, 06; particularly 06, with only losses being to Nadal on clay for the entire year (except MuryGOAT at Cincy)
• Federer’s consecutive weeks at number 1, consecutive slam Fs and SFs etc during his 04-07 peak - absolutely unmatched
• Djoker’s 2015-16 stats are also inflated by weak competition, era etc. His Nole slam competition was non-Lendl Murray, 33 year old Fed and absolutely washed Nadal
• Court speed: Old post-prime Fed matching up fantastically on fast HC vs peak Djoker (Dubai, Cincy, Shanghai), suggesting peak Fed would have had a field day on faster 00s courts
• Fed better at 3 slams:
  • Wimbledon: Fed peak clear as Djoker struggled with non-peak Fed.
    • Non-prime Fed taking out prime Djoker at Wimbledon in 2012, peak Djoker needing 5 to beat even older Fed in 2014 + needing 4 to beat him in 2015. 2015 NOT peak Fed.
    • Fed also better vs Murray at Wim as well
  • USO: Fed clear as Djoker struggled with non-prime Fed even worse than at Wim. Non-prime Fed has 2 MPs vs best ever USO Djokovic in 2011, 34 year old Fed matches peakiest Djoker for stats in 2015 and basically mentally chokes away match rather than being outplayed
  • AO: H2H doesn’t reflect peak
    • Fed’s peak years at AO were 04, 05, 07, 09, 10. Djoker never really faced that Federer except once (07). Fed had mono in 08.
    • Plus Djoker’s peak mainly on plexi, Fed’s mainly on rebound
  • RG: Fed is clear as non-peak / prime Fed takes out best ever clay Djoker on 40 match win streak with 2 recent wins vs primedal on clay, and does so in 4 sets
    • Fed has more issues with Nadal but Djoker has issues with guys like Stan. Both peak Djokers lost to non-Nadal players

I will leave everyone here to debate the merits of these (and what “peak” means, which seems to be a point of contention for some Djoker fans)

Let me know if I have missed anything as well

There's way more tbf but good job

 

[Neptune]

And the real life h2h of course.

And, the organizers adeptly know how to favor Fed and exploit Nole.

 

[Razer]

Don't be silly. Federer had a solid 5 years to build a mental edge over a neophyte Novak struggling to figure out his mental game as well as his physical health. Despite that, he was still making, "prime Federer" run corner to corner like a gazelle from a crocodile during this period. Then of course when Novak did enter his stride, Roger's best response was to continually pout, frown and whine like a spoiled brat being denied his cookies at the Christmas table, or to continue the metaphor, a gazelle being denied his shrubbery by a Christmas crocodile.

The reality is that Federer had incredible fortune to build a half decade's worth of confidence against a man who despite his headstart would end up with the edge in the h2h, win their most important matches (of course aside from the mythical French Open 2011 and Wimbledon 2012 semifinals) and ultimately break his most important records. While many of my "friends in Fed" like to spout that Novak might have won less than 10 slams had he been the older one, it is equally plausible given the actual, non-hypothetical reality of the rivalry, that Roger may have ended up as a Murray level player had this been the case.

As a Federer fan this is painful to admit, but the truth is what it is.

Djokovic was a mug on grass until age 24, Federer already won his 4th wimbledon when he was still 24, so there is no way confidence is an issue here. Djokovic will be reduced to Federer's pigeon on Grass if they are born together, no doubt about it.

On clay, everyone is Nadal's lapdog, so thats that.

The HC Slams probably Djokovic and Federer would divide among them, Fed probably getting a lion's share in the USOs with Nadal and Novak getting some too... the AOs all probably will go to Novak, Federer and Nadal collecting some leftovers

So Federer has an advantage in 2 out of 4 slams even in this scenario, so this confidence that you are talking about would come to Federer in any case, the way I see it only Nadal can inflict some dent on Federer's psyche if they are aged same, not Novak. Novak is far tougher mentally but that would not always come in handy when Federer is the one having a skill advantage over Novak.

The Novak winning less than 10 slams is not possible, he would reach double digits somehow but he would be under Pete's tally, Federer might touch Pete's 14 or maybe fall short too and Nadal probably would emerge as the slams leader because he would always win 1-2 slams outside clay somehow and his 14 frenchs are not foing anywhere, so in this scenario Nadal wins the slams race.

 

[fedfan24]

Another recycled coping thread. This thread has been created no less than 30 times in one way or another on this site and this isn't even an exaggeration. Djokovic career wise is clear of Federer. That's what we know. Time for you guys to move on and have discussions about the supposed superiority of Federer in the former pro section.

No coping, Federer clear for highest level across most surfaces except slow HC and higher peak at 3/4 slams.

 

[jackson vile]

Novak at his absolute peak is virtually undefeatable, his game too high at this level.

In this situation, I have to think back to when Federer lost to Safin at the Australian open

 

[Neptune]

Persistently spreading propaganda may lead even Nole's fans to be influenced into believing misinformation.

However, is Fed ahead of Rafa?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Agreed upon by all objective tennis observers, indeed. Blessed be the OP as always.

 

[DSH]

Who cares? Neither of these two schlubs has ever or could ever win so much as a solitary moral point versus the true goat, Bull.

Never challenge a raging bull, ever!

 

[BauerAlmeida]

What it tells us? Federer is the best player of all time outside of Nadal on clay.

It tells us he has a higher "hypothetical" "peak", nothing to do with who is the better player.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

I’ll always look at well post peak Fed taking out Novak at his peak at RG 2011, WB 2012, all in four…and getting match point at USO in ‘10-‘11, (after beating him 3 years in a row).

As I’ve asked before, if that’s how post peak 2011-12 Fed meet him, is 2006 Roger going to be worse?

What about all the times pre-prime Djokovic beat prime Federer in 2007-2009?

Is 2015 Djokovic going to do worse?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

What about all the times pre-prime Djokovic beat prime Federer in 2007-2009?

Is 2015 Djokovic going to do worse?

BO3 though. Djo's only BO5 win then was 2008 AO and that was very much prime Djokovic, to the point that he had better fitness than the mono-affected Federer.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Peak Fed was the peakiest, methinks. Second between Nadal and Djo, that is a toss up.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

BO3 though. Djo's only BO5 win then was 2008 AO and that was very much prime Djokovic, to the point that he had better fitness than the mono-affected Federer.

If Djokovic was prime in 2008 then it means he entered his prime (at least) that year and it lasted until when, 2019 AO? 2016 at the very least. That would be at last 9 years. So if Federer entered his in 2003 which was his first slam win and it lasted as well that long, the defeats at USO 2010, AO 2011 and USO 2011 are also prime Fed, and that ignores RG 2012. So either Djokovic has several prime Bo5 wins as well if we count Federer's prime until Cinci 2012 or so, or Federer's prime was shorter in which case you can't punish Djokovic for having a longer prime thus giving Federer more chances of beating a "prime" version of that player.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

The truth is most of those can go either way if they are both at their best. The one where I would favor someone the most here is Federer at Wimbledon because I think he is better on grass by a bigger difference than Djokovic is superior on clay (or HC), but even then, I can see 2015 Djokovic beating anyone on modern grass. I don't know how he would do in the '90s and it doesn't matter much anyway.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

Djokovic. Why is this even a question?

Because hypothetically, Fed always has a chance.

 

[Bambooman]

Because hypothetically, Fed always has a chance.

It wasn't hypothetical. They met many times at peak levels and Djokovic leads the H2H.

For sure nobody is suggesting that he would have a domination like he has over Monfils.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

It wasn't hypothetical. They met many times at peak levels and Djokovic leads the H2H.

For sure nobody is suggesting that he would have a domination like he has over Monfils.

Sorry but reality doesn't matter here. Peak hypothetical Fed dominates peak Djoko everywhere.

 

[Third Serve]

As this is the 1000th thread on this topic, I think I will do something useful here and summarise the arguments made by both sides here and in other threads

“Djokovic’s peak > Federer’s peak”

• Djokovic’s Nole slam + record number of ATP points from 2015-16. Statistically the best ever. Ridiculous tournament conversion rate, wins over Fed on grass, Nadal on clay etc
• Fed’s 04-07 stats are inflated by weak competition, era etc. Bagdhatis, Roddick, etc.
  • No coincidence that he looked more sketchy once he faced ATG competitors (Needing 5, and being down a break in set 3, Vs Old Agassi at USO 04/05, all the Ls to Nadal at RG, L to Safin at AO, being really pushed by Nadal at Wimbledon)
• More stats for highest year peak: Djokovic’s 10-1 vs Fedal in 2011. Incredible. In one of the strongest years of all time, no-one has dominated 2 ATGs like that
• Djoker better at multiple slams:
  • Djokovic 3-1 H2H vs Fed at Wimbledon, same at the AO. Featuring 2015 peak Fed at Wimbledon and 2008 peak/prime Fed at the AO (sometimes considered against non-peak Djoker in 08).
    • 2015 Fed was peak at Wimbledon, see SF Vs Murray.
  • RG: RG 2012 cancels out RG 2011. Too much focus on RG 2011 in isolation across all other results. Djokovic better RG peak because of matchup with Nadal (eg 2013)
• Djokovic has more slams across whole career. 24>20 is not remotely close anymore
• Djokovic has more weeks at number 1 across whole career; again, not even close anymore
• Djokovic has a longer peak (he was still peak in 2023)

“Federer’s peak > Djokovic’s peak”

• Statistics for yearly peaks are unmatched: Brutal dominance with the highest win %s ever. Crazy sweep of tournaments won etc in 05, 06; particularly 06, with only losses being to Nadal on clay for the entire year (except MuryGOAT at Cincy)
• Federer’s consecutive weeks at number 1, consecutive slam Fs and SFs etc during his 04-07 peak - absolutely unmatched
• Djoker’s 2015-16 stats are also inflated by weak competition, era etc. His Nole slam competition was non-Lendl Murray, 33 year old Fed and absolutely washed Nadal
• Court speed: Old post-prime Fed matching up fantastically on fast HC vs peak Djoker (Dubai, Cincy, Shanghai), suggesting peak Fed would have had a field day on faster 00s courts
• Fed better at 3 slams:
  • Wimbledon: Fed peak clear as Djoker struggled with non-peak Fed.
    • Non-prime Fed taking out prime Djoker at Wimbledon in 2012, peak Djoker needing 5 to beat even older Fed in 2014 + needing 4 to beat him in 2015. 2015 NOT peak Fed.
    • Fed also better vs Murray at Wim as well
  • USO: Fed clear as Djoker struggled with non-prime Fed even worse than at Wim. Non-prime Fed has 2 MPs vs best ever USO Djokovic in 2011, 34 year old Fed matches peakiest Djoker for stats in 2015 and basically mentally chokes away match rather than being outplayed
  • AO: H2H doesn’t reflect peak
    • Fed’s peak years at AO were 04, 05, 07, 09, 10. Djoker never really faced that Federer except once (07). Fed had mono in 08.
    • Plus Djoker’s peak mainly on plexi, Fed’s mainly on rebound
  • RG: Fed is clear as non-peak / prime Fed takes out best ever clay Djoker on 40 match win streak with 2 recent wins vs primedal on clay, and does so in 4 sets
    • Fed has more issues with Nadal but Djoker has issues with guys like Stan. Both peak Djokers lost to non-Nadal players

I will leave everyone here to debate the merits of these (and what “peak” means, which seems to be a point of contention for some Djoker fans)

Let me know if I have missed anything as well

You missed the best argument for Djokovic’s superiority that some people have actually already made in this thread. Here’s how you make that argument:

Step 1: Cover your ears.

Step 2: Ignore the opposing claim(s), especially the ones that take a little more thought to understand.

Step 3: Recite the words “Fed wins all hypotheticals. Too bad about the real matches though.”

Step 4: Rinse and repeat.

Sure, you sacrifice a bit of the more interesting tennis discourse that actually makes these boards worth using, but hey, it gets Djokovic on top of things!

In all seriousness though this is a decent breakdown.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Djokovic and it's not even close.

Federer is really lucky that he was older because if they were the same age, he would've lost the majority of his matches against Djokovic.

Maybe the actual matches show that Djo was the lucky one due to Federer's choking?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

If Djokovic was prime in 2008 then it means he entered his prime (at least) that year and it lasted until when, 2019 AO? 2016 at the very least. That would be at last 9 years. So if Federer entered his in 2003 which was his first slam win and it lasted as well that long, the defeats at USO 2010, AO 2011 and USO 2011 are also prime Fed, and that ignores RG 2012. So either Djokovic has several prime Bo5 wins as well if we count Federer's prime until Cinci 2012 or so, or Federer's prime was shorter in which case you can't punish Djokovic for having a longer prime thus giving Federer more chances of beating a "prime" version of that player.

I wouldn't call pre-2011 Djokovic prime overall, sure, but he had some prime showings and AO 08 was the best of them, close to peak even. Probably his only fully prime showing in a slam pre-2011 though. Likewise, I wouldn't call post-AO'10 Federer prime overall but he did have some prime showings, including RG 11 and WB 12 (last three matches) in slams. But overall they were too few and far between to call that period prime.

 

[weakera]

Not even close? Djokovic is a peasant compared to Federer talentwise, even at age 38 Federer had MPs vs Novak, you think it is not close ? Are you watching Tennis from 2020 ? You sound like you are 16 years old.

What you've written is the opposite of reality, it is Djokovic who is lucky Federer was not of his age or a bit younger than Nole, in such scenarios it would be Djokovic who would struggle more against Federer. Djokovic imposing his stamina and mental toughness in close matches wont work then because match would be over swiftly, racquet talentwise Federer is a vastly superior player to Djokovic.

Well said.

 

[ForehandCross]

If Fred had a stronger mental game it would be 50-50 or even in his favor by a decent marging because of such a GOAT server. But he never did.

Djokovic wins most of the time. Big 3 game wise are almost equals. It's just small things that create difference.

 

[RS]

AO 7-3 Djokovic
RG 7-3 Djokovic
Wim 7-3 Federer
USO - 7-3 Federer

 

[Razer]

AO 7-3 Djokovic
RG 7-3 Djokovic
Wim 7-3 Federer
USO - 7-3 Federer

They are not equally distributed like you want them to be 7-3 everywhere.

AO = 9-1 Djoker
RG = 6-4 Djoker
Wim = 9-1 Federer
USO = 6-4 Federer

Federer - Djokovic would be something like 20-20

 

[jl809]

AO: rebound ace: ???, plexicushion: 7-3 Djoker
RG: 6-4 Djoker or 5-5
Wimbledon: 9-1 Federer
US Open: 8-2 or 7-3 Federer

 

[Razer]

Who do you guys do rebound ace and plexi breakup all the time ? You've been doing this for years ... dont you get tired of being wrong all the time?

Was Federer a titan of Rebound Ace?

The guy lost to Safin, was in trouble against Baggy & nobody knows if he would win the title if the draws of the 2 finalists of 2004 were swapped. The only truly great run he has on that surface was in 2007 and you are here discounting Djokovic ? a man who has 10 titles on plexi, a proven guy who has beaten people back to back in long 5 setters and never looked tired ?

Come out of Federer love ..... Roger has no base to stand in Australia..... he is firmly below Novak in Aus .... period.... Rebound or no Rebound, he is below Nole beyond any debate...

 

[Turning Pro]

Fed in 3 or 4 on ANY SURFACE in slams except AO.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Who do you guys do rebound ace and plexi breakup all the time ? You've been doing this for years ... dont you get tired of being wrong all the time?

Was Federer a titan of Rebound Ace?

The guy lost to Safin, was in trouble against Baggy & nobody knows if he would win the title if the draws of the 2 finalists of 2004 were swapped. The only truly great run he has on that surface was in 2007 and you are here discounting Djokovic ? a man who has 10 titles on plexi, a proven guy who has beaten people back to back in long 5 setters and never looked tired ?

Come out of Federer love ..... Roger has no base to stand in Australia..... he is firmly below Novak in Aus .... period.... Rebound or no Rebound, he is below Nole beyond any debate...

Both Safin and Federer had tough draws, credit to Federer for making his easier. Safin was tougher in the earlier rounds with guys like Blake and Martin IIRC but I don't think Federer would have been affected that much if he had faced those guys early instead of the ones he did.