Federer vs Djokovic, who would win at their peak?

Federer or Djokovic

  • Federer

    Votes: 47 70.1%

  • Djokovic

    Votes: 20 29.9%
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fedfan24

Hall of Fame
simply who would at their best Federer vs Djokovic?

AO - give this to Djokovic. Even if we say 05/07 Federer vs 11 Djokovic I think Djokovic in 5.

IW - Federer. Peak Djokovic narrowly defeated 14/15 Federer. I think 05/06 Federer takes this in 3.
Miami - Djokovic. 2015 narrowly over 05 Federer.

MC - Federer. H2H Fed wins this, 06 vs 13 or whatever version.
Rome - Djokovic. BO3 2011 Djokovic over 06 Fed. 06 Fed was only time he really brought it here.
Hamburg or Madrid - Federer. 02/05/07 Federer wins.
RG - 05/06 Federer over 2012 Djokovic. He was already outplaying him in 2012 but the UFE killed him. Peak version would win.

W - 03-06 Federer in 4 close sets. See 2012 SF.

Canada - Djokovic. 07 takes it over 07 Federer.
Cincy - any of 05/07/09/12/15 over any Djokovic
USO - any 04-08 Federer comfortably over 11/15 djokoivc

Madrid indoors/Shanghai - 06 Federer > any Djokovic on a faster HC
Paris indoors - very close but give Djokovic the edge over 2011 Federer
YEC - 03 or 06 Federer wins


So we have
3>1 in slams for Federer
5>4 in masters for Federer
1>0 in YEC for Federer

What it tells us? Federer is the best player of all time outside of Nadal on clay. Djokovic got lucky that he was born later than Federer so he could inflate his stats vs the non existent 90s gen. Both great players but Fed is clear on HC and grass.
 
Pheasant

Pheasant

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This will depend heavily on the courts that they play on.

AO. Fed on Rebound Ace, Djoker on Plexicushion
FO. Djoker
WI. Fed
USO. Fed on faster courts, Djoker on slower USO courts
WTF. Fed on faster courts, Djoker in London

Djoker’s peak was longer is the problem. The dude is the longevity king. He made a deal with the Devil.
 
Neptune

Neptune

Hall of Fame
Fedr peak 6-year 2004-09:

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Fedr 442-51(89.66%) 44-23(65.67%) 91-30(75.21%)

Within Big4:
Fedr 44(20-24) 45.45%
vs Rafa 7-13 (clay 2-9), vs Nole 9-5, vs Murr 4-6


Nole peak 6-year 2011-16:

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Nole 427-50(89.52%) 66-25(72.53%) 140-34(80.46%)

Within Big4:
Nole 80(56-24) 70%
vs Fedr 17-9, vs Rafa 19-7 (clay 7-5), vs Murr 20-8
 
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GrandSlam24

GrandSlam24

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Djokovic has been ranked No. 1 for a record total of 410 weeks in a record 13 different years, and finished as the year-end No. 1 a record eight times. Djokovic has won a record 24 Grand Slam men's singles titles, including a record ten Australian Open titles. Overall, he has won 98 singles titles, including a record 71 Big Titles: 24 majors, a record 40 Masters, and a record seven ATP Finals. Djokovic is the only man in tennis history to be the reigning champion of all four majors at once across three different surfaces. In singles, he is the only man to achieve a triple Career Grand Slam, and the only player to complete a career Golden Masters, a feat he has achieved twice.
 
GrandSlam24

GrandSlam24

Rookie
From tomorrow, Novak will have as many weeks as No. 1 as Federer and Agassi together.

310 + 101 = 411

So he's as strong as both of them put together!

He actually has even more weeks.

But 2020 and 2022 prevented that.
 
Rafa4LifeEver

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
fedfan24 said:
simply who would at their best Federer vs Djokovic?

AO - give this to Djokovic. Even if we say 05/07 Federer vs 11 Djokovic I think Djokovic in 5.

IW - Federer. Peak Djokovic narrowly defeated 14/15 Federer. I think 05/06 Federer takes this in 3.
Miami - Djokovic. 2015 narrowly over 05 Federer.

MC - Federer. H2H Fed wins this, 06 vs 13 or whatever version.
Rome - Djokovic. BO3 2011 Djokovic over 06 Fed. 06 Fed was only time he really brought it here.
Hamburg or Madrid - Federer. 02/05/07 Federer wins.
RG - 05/06 Federer over 2012 Djokovic. He was already outplaying him in 2012 but the UFE killed him. Peak version would win.

W - 03-06 Federer in 4 close sets. See 2012 SF.

Canada - Djokovic. 07 takes it over 07 Federer.
Cincy - any of 05/07/09/12/15 over any Djokovic
USO - any 04-08 Federer comfortably over 11/15 djokoivc

Madrid indoors/Shanghai - 06 Federer > any Djokovic on a faster HC
Paris indoors - very close but give Djokovic the edge over 2011 Federer
YEC - 03 or 06 Federer wins


So we have
3>1 in slams for Federer
5>4 in masters for Federer
1>0 in YEC for Federer

What it tells us? Federer is the best player of all time outside of Nadal on clay. Djokovic got lucky that he was born later than Federer so he could inflate his stats vs the non existent 90s gen. Both great players but Fed is clear on HC and grass.
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If we're taking both at their absolute best, then

Slams -
AO - RA 65/35 Fed, PC - 65/35 Djo, LK - 50/50.
RG - 50/50
Wimbledon - 80/20 Fed
USO - 65/35 Fed

Master's -
IW - 50/50
Miami - 70/30 Djo
Monte Carlo - 65/35 Fed (Djokovic clearly better at the tournament but matchup favours Roger there as per their history)
Madrid/Hamburg - 50/50
Rome - 70/30 Djo
Canada - 55/45 Fed
Cincinnati - 80/20 Fed
Shanghai - 65/35 Fed (Djokovic clearly better at the tournament but matchup favours Roger there as per their history and surface)
Paris - 55/45 Djo

Tour finals -
Shanghai - 70/30 Fed
London - 60/40 Fed
Turin - 70/30 Fed
 
MeatTornado

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
GrandSlam24 said:
Djokovic has been ranked No. 1 for a record total of 410 weeks in a record 13 different years, and finished as the year-end No. 1 a record eight times. Djokovic has won a record 24 Grand Slam men's singles titles, including a record ten Australian Open titles. Overall, he has won 98 singles titles, including a record 71 Big Titles: 24 majors, a record 40 Masters, and a record seven ATP Finals. Djokovic is the only man in tennis history to be the reigning champion of all four majors at once across three different surfaces. In singles, he is the only man to achieve a triple Career Grand Slam, and the only player to complete a career Golden Masters, a feat he has achieved twice.
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Roger Federer has a record 10 Halle titles.
 
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AndrewUtz

Rookie
NeutralFan said:
2021 son, his fans claimed Djokovic was playing his best ever tennis lol
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I’m a huge djoker fan, he’s been my number one since I got into tennis. But I’ve never claimed he was better in 2020 than 2011. I think most djoker fans would agree honestly. Even so, did sinner beat Djoker in 2021?
 
NeutralFan

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
AndrewUtz said:
I’m a huge djoker fan, he’s been my number one since I got into tennis. But I’ve never claimed he was better in 2020 than 2011. I think most djoker fans would agree honestly. Even so, did sinner beat Djoker in 2021?
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Wasn't talking about you ,son! Learn to read properly, i said he was coming off a three slams a season this year and his fans claimed he was at his peak last year, playing his best tennis. I am just using their logic. If anything go argue and convince them. Welcome to my ignore list for bad trolling.
 
canta_Brian

canta_Brian

Hall of Fame
GrandSlam24 said:
Djokovic has been ranked No. 1 for a record total of 410 weeks in a record 13 different years, and finished as the year-end No. 1 a record eight times. Djokovic has won a record 24 Grand Slam men's singles titles, including a record ten Australian Open titles. Overall, he has won 98 singles titles, including a record 71 Big Titles: 24 majors, a record 40 Masters, and a record seven ATP Finals. Djokovic is the only man in tennis history to be the reigning champion of all four majors at once across three different surfaces. In singles, he is the only man to achieve a triple Career Grand Slam, and the only player to complete a career Golden Masters, a feat he has achieved twice.
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Or you could just say you don’t understand the question.
 
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ActualTennisPlayer

Semi-Pro
NeutralFan said:
Wasn't talking about you ,son! Learn to read properly, i said he was coming off a three slams a season this year and his fans claimed he was at his peak last year, playing his best tennis. I am just using their logic. If anything go argue and convince them. Welcome to my ignore list for bad trolling.
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So if he was in his peak last year he should still be in his peak this year?
 
Devin

Devin

Semi-Pro
Swear this thread has been done too often.

AO - I think Federer's 2007 run was the best out of both players. Let's just say Federer on RA and fast AO and Djokovic on slow Plexi. (6-4 either way).

IW - Federer (slight margin, let's say 6-4)
Miami - Djokovic by a fair margin (let's say 7-3 or 8-2). Federer really only had one good run at Miami during peak years (2006). His 2005 run had the great SF vs. Agassi but his level wasn't too consistent throughout the tournament.

MC - Federer (slight margin, let's say 6-4).
Rome - Djokovic (fair margin, let's say 7-3). Absolute peak, Rome 2006 final vs. Rome 2011 final, Federer edges it at least for BO5 but that's just one match.
Hamburg or Madrid - Federer clearly (let's say 7-3 Madrid, 8-2 Hamburg maybe). Hamburg was known for the low bounce that was a huge advantage for Federer.
RG - Federer by a slight margin (let's say 6-4).

W - 9-1 Federer. 2003-2007 Federer are all better than 2015 Djokovic. 2008 is arguable, don't think 2009 Federer beats him though.

Canada - Djokovic (fair margin, let's say 7-3). Federer really only had one good run here in 2004, and that one had a bad match against Johanssson in the SF. Djokovic has been more consistent here.
Cincy - 9-1 Federer, lol.
USO - Depends on the court. If it's the faster courts from the early 2000s, 8-2 Federer. On the slow as molasses courts now, probably 6-4 Federer (but there's not a lot to go off of here).

Madrid indoors/Shanghai - Something like 6-4 or 7-3 Federer here. Djokovic did have a very high level at Shanghai 2015 though which should not be overlooked.
Paris indoors - Djokovic by a fair margin (7-3, I think).
YEC - If it's the fast courts, 8-2 Federer. If it's the slower courts, I'd still give the advantage to Federer because those courts had low bounces, but it would be like 6-4.
 
itrium84

itrium84

Hall of Fame
fedfan24 said:
simply who would at their best Federer vs Djokovic?

AO - give this to Djokovic. Even if we say 05/07 Federer vs 11 Djokovic I think Djokovic in 5.

IW - Federer. Peak Djokovic narrowly defeated 14/15 Federer. I think 05/06 Federer takes this in 3.
Miami - Djokovic. 2015 narrowly over 05 Federer.

MC - Federer. H2H Fed wins this, 06 vs 13 or whatever version.
Rome - Djokovic. BO3 2011 Djokovic over 06 Fed. 06 Fed was only time he really brought it here.
Hamburg or Madrid - Federer. 02/05/07 Federer wins.
RG - 05/06 Federer over 2012 Djokovic. He was already outplaying him in 2012 but the UFE killed him. Peak version would win.

W - 03-06 Federer in 4 close sets. See 2012 SF.

Canada - Djokovic. 07 takes it over 07 Federer.
Cincy - any of 05/07/09/12/15 over any Djokovic
USO - any 04-08 Federer comfortably over 11/15 djokoivc

Madrid indoors/Shanghai - 06 Federer > any Djokovic on a faster HC
Paris indoors - very close but give Djokovic the edge over 2011 Federer
YEC - 03 or 06 Federer wins


So we have
3>1 in slams for Federer
5>4 in masters for Federer
1>0 in YEC for Federer

What it tells us? Federer is the best player of all time outside of Nadal on clay. Djokovic got lucky that he was born later than Federer so he could inflate his stats vs the non existent 90s gen. Both great players but Fed is clear on HC and grass.
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I'm surprised that hypothetical Novak would win any hypothetical match against hypothetical Fed.
Yeah, from your scientific analysis and undeniable hypothetical stats I can conclude hypothetical Fed is hypothetically superior, definitely hypothetically best player of all hypothetical time.

Too bad for real Federer that real Novak is best of all time in reality.
 
Turning Pro

Turning Pro

Hall of Fame
Federer has a higher peak but Djokovic is more consistent in winning.

This is purely slams imo:

RG 11 AND Wimby 12 which has Federer past his absolute peak (04-07) is pretty clear to SEE. Novak was as at his peak then and starting out his peak (11-12).

I'd say Fed everywhere (3-1 in slams) except Novak in 4 at the AO. But Fed in 4 at Wimby And 5 at RG and US open.
 
Adriano Panatta

Adriano Panatta

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Pheasant said:
This will depend heavily on the courts that they play on.

AO. Fed on Rebound Ace, Djoker on Plexicushion
FO. Djoker
WI. Fed
USO. Fed on faster courts, Djoker on slower USO courts
WTF. Fed on faster courts, Djoker in London

Djoker’s peak was longer is the problem. The dude is the longevity king. He made a deal with the Devil.
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Why Fed is better on RA?It wasn’ t very fast and Djokovic was a baby when played on this surface while Fed was in his prime
 
The Sinner

The Sinner

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ActualTennisPlayer said:
False on two fronts:
1. Sinner isn’t a baby anymore. He is turning 23 this year.
2. Some people claim Djokovic was peak last year, not this year
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Actually no.
1. Djokovic fans claim that their idol wasn't peak until 2011, when he turned 24, and was a baby before 2011.
2. Djokofans as well as top commentators and experts claimed at the YEC, just six weeks prior to the AO that he was peak and playing the best tennis of his life.
3. Nolefans have been going on since 2015 and more so in 2019, that 35 or 38 is the new 25.
4. So, going by Djokofan logic... Sinner = baby, Djokovic = peak.
 
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ActualTennisPlayer

Semi-Pro
The Sinner said:
Actually no.
1. Djokovic fans claim that their idol wasn't peak until 2011, when he turned 24, and was a baby before 2011.
2. Djokofans as well as top commentators and experts claimed at the YEC, just six weeks prior to the AO that he was peak and playing the best tennis of his life.
3. Nolefans have been going on since 2015 and more so in 2019, that 35 or 38 is the new 25.
4. So, going by Djokofan logic... Sinner = baby, Djokovic = peak.
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False.
1. A player stops being a baby in the season he turns 23. See this thread https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/the-season-a-player-turns-23.763842/
Same happened to djokovic he stopped being a baby in 2010 - but only at the end of the season.
Sinner is also in the season he turns 23 so not a baby anymore
2. So last year Djokovic was peak. Nobody said that he was peak this year.
3. Again last year… not this year.
4. If sinner would have beaten Djokovic last year at a slam, then what you say would have been true. But sinner did not and in this year neither sinner is baby nor djokovic peak. In contrast, Alcaraz was a baby last year and Djokovic peak. But before you claim victory - keep in mind That overall Djokovic was better than Alcaraz. Even if you are in your peak, you are not invincible.
 
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Cashman

Cashman

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GrandSlam24 said:
Djokovic has been ranked No. 1 for a record total of 410 weeks in a record 13 different years, and finished as the year-end No. 1 a record eight times. Djokovic has won a record 24 Grand Slam men's singles titles, including a record ten Australian Open titles. Overall, he has won 98 singles titles, including a record 71 Big Titles: 24 majors, a record 40 Masters, and a record seven ATP Finals. Djokovic is the only man in tennis history to be the reigning champion of all four majors at once across three different surfaces. In singles, he is the only man to achieve a triple Career Grand Slam, and the only player to complete a career Golden Masters, a feat he has achieved twice.
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Thanks CrapGPT
 
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BorgTheGOAT

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Adriano Panatta said:
Peak vs peak he would be the best in all big tournament except FO (Nadal/Borg are the boat on clay)
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That is completely speculative. First of all what on earth makes you believe that he is better peak for peak at the AO than Djoker? Even if we agree that he is the best of the big three at Wimbledon and the USO, we still have Sampras here. Pete vs Roger peak for peak at Wimblie or NY will never be a slam dunk in any direction.
 
Adriano Panatta

Adriano Panatta

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BorgTheGOAT said:
That is completely speculative. First of all what on earth makes you believe that he is better peak for peak at the AO than Djoker? Even if we agree that he is the best of the big three at Wimbledon and the USO, we still have Sampras here. Pete vs Roger peak for peak at Wimblie or NY will never be a slam dunk in any direction.
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2007 Federer would have a chance vs peak Nole in AO,vs Pete in Wimbledon and UO is a match 50% 50%(if the surface is very fast i prefer Pete,if it is medium or slow the favourite is Federer)
 
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