Federer "would not stand a chance" against 2016 version of Djokovic - Tipsa

[Meles]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/re-emergen...-novak-djokovic-andy-murray-struggles-1615358
"Federer is a great champion, but one of the reasons he is in a position he is today is because Murray and Djokovic are not playing at their best level."

"I am not sure that Federer would stand a chance playing Novak from last year – I am not saying this because Nole is my friend, but because that is what I really think. Secondly, I was told that this year was the fastest Australian Open ever, it was the first year in who knows how many that the courts weren't resurfaced. If the court isn't resurfaced, it gets faster every year. Also, the balls in Melbourne usually get bigger as the match progresses and this year they were getting smaller."

"Federer wanted to prove in Melbourne that he is not done, he has beaten Kei [Nishikori] in five, [Stan] Wawrinka in five and Nadal in five. I think that before he used to play with some niggles and that now he is pain-free. Besides, I think Ivan Ljubicic helped him improve his backhand, Roger is hitting the best backhands in his career."

@tipsa...don'tlikehim!

 

[Checkmate]

If 2016 Federer could take a set against DJ, then this Federer would certainly push Nobe to the limit.

 

[MasturB]

Nole would counter this in a presser with "Roger is playing the best tennis of his career" when he'd lose to soften the wound.

 

[Sentinel]

"Federer is a great champion, but one of the reasons he is in a position he is today is because Murray and Djokovic are not playing at their best level."

I thought Federer was taking care of Murray in 2015/16.

Second, the reason Djokovic was in the position he was, was because Federer and Nadal had declined, no ? And no younger ones to threaten him, no ?



However, I agree, this is a ridiculously weak era. 2015/16 was already a weak era with Old_erer reaching slam finals/semis, but this is NO era at all.

 

[VexlanderPrime]

To my eyes 2017 Fed is playing at a higher level than 2015/16 Fed so its not rocket science to say he'd challenge Djoker more at Wimby/USO. Both those matches would be tougher. I think Djoker would still probably win b/c he would outlast Fed in the 5th set but who knows? We'll never really know.

Djoker and Fed have thier own unique matchup. I'm not 100% certain that the improved backhand would completely upend the applecart in thier H2H like it seems to have with Rafa/Fed. There are so many factors that go into these matchups.

Hopefully Djoker returns refreshed and in prime form and we can get a great Djoker-New Fed final or three this year If 2015 Fed could take some matches off Djoker, this version would do the same and more.

 

[Limpinhitter]

Tipsa should join TW. With that kind of hyperbole he'd fit right in.

 

[timnz]

His comments aren't backed up by the facts at all.

For one thing Murray has only won one set off Federer in the last 4 seasons.

As for Djokovic 2016 - He only played Federer once before Federer got injured in his knee. The previous year 2015 Federer beat Djokovic 3 times.

So I have no idea where Tipsa says that Federer would have no chance against Murray and Federer.

 

[Sereger]

What does he mean when saying" would not stand a chance"? Losing all the matches against Nole ? lol
Fed even beat Nole in 2015 who was playing his best tennis then.

 

[augustobt]

I understand that he mentioned Djokovic but... Murray? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time Andy beat Federer was in 2013 - when he had a bad back in the middle of AO2013. And he needed 5 sets - with the first 4 being very tight.

 

[Luckydog]

Any version of Djoker cannot say that " Federer would not stand a chance".IF you are not blind,you will know about what I mean.
History has showed time and time again that when Djoker looked invincible ,it's Federer who always stood out to give him a lesson.

 

[esgee48]

Statement of opinion ONLY. No amount of historical facts or opinions can prove or disprove the statements BECAUSE you cannot bring Novak from 2016 to the present to play RF in March 2017. I treat many statements in this forum as opinion pro/con especially when comparing past performance with current performance. 3 cents. AND my statement is a fact that there are no time machines currently in existence.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

God I am so over players and posters comparing players from different times. We'll never know, shutup Tipsarevic.

 

[6-3 6-0]

Its quite obvious isn't it? Djokovic was in his prime back at the start of 2016 and was playing excellent tennis but in history every player has benefitted from others' decline (many did from Fed's own decline and aging) and this is no different.

 

[Raging Buddha]

People being baited by the title.

It's "I am not sure that Federer would stand a chance". Not that he definitively "would not stand a chance".

 

[VexlanderPrime]

Any version of Djoker cannot say that " Federer would not stand a chance".IF you are not blind,you will know about what I mean.
History has showed time and time again that when Djoker looked invincible ,it's Federer who always stood out to give him a lesson.

Not so much "give him a lesson" but definitely "rain on his parade" haha

 

[Fedinkum]

Tipsa...don't like his comments.

 

[Chadillac]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/re-emergen...-novak-djokovic-andy-murray-struggles-1615358
"Federer is a great champion, but one of the reasons he is in a position he is today is because Murray and Djokovic are not playing at their best level."

"I am not sure that Federer would stand a chance playing Novak from last year – I am not saying this because Nole is my friend, but because that is what I really think. Secondly, I was told that this year was the fastest Australian Open ever, it was the first year in who knows how many that the courts weren't resurfaced. If the court isn't resurfaced, it gets faster every year. Also, the balls in Melbourne usually get bigger as the match progresses and this year they were getting smaller."

"Federer wanted to prove in Melbourne that he is not done, he has beaten Kei [Nishikori] in five, [Stan] Wawrinka in five and Nadal in five. I think that before he used to play with some niggles and that now he is pain-free. Besides, I think Ivan Ljubicic helped him improve his backhand, Roger is hitting the best backhands in his career."

@tipsa...don'tlikehim!

So Fed wins their first match at the wtf in 2015 (5 weeks before 2016), which knocks most people out of a tournament, yet couldnt beat him in 2016?

A year he fell apart in the 2nd half (feds prime time)?

 

[jussumman]

Statement of opinion ONLY. No amount of historical facts or opinions can prove or disprove the statements BECAUSE you cannot bring Novak from 2016 to the present to play RF in March 2017. I treat many statements in this forum as opinion pro/con especially when comparing past performance with current performance. 3 cents. AND my statement is a fact that there are no time machines currently in existence.

Esgee48's arguments are iron clad. Untouchable.

 

[KineticChain]

uhhh surfaces not resurfaced and.. uh.. balls changes sizes in MIDAIR.. and uh.. oh yea the FAST COURTS.. and uh.. illuminati.. and uh.. some other stuffs too.

but nah, fed is alright, doing ok i guess

- tipster

 

[Jackuar]

I'm surprised that a pro tour player who knows the game (a credential that I doubt now) is utter stupid to spew nonsense like this.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Tipsa should join TW. With that kind of hyperbole he'd fit right in.

How do you know he isn't here already?

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I don't know why Murray keeps getting mentioned with Djokovic lol.

Murray has never had any kind of mental edge on Federer and his style doesn't really bother him.

Djokovic sure, he'd probably have lost to him. Will concede that. Murray? Lol. Nah. If Federer can still beat Stanimal/Ralph consistently then there is zero reason to believe he can't still beat Murray.

 

[every7]

Look at this service action:

If I was Tipsarevic, I'd go down every night on my knees and thank God that Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal were born, because they have carried this sport. They really have.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I understand that he mentioned Djokovic but... Murray? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time Andy beat Federer was in 2013 - when he had a bad back in the middle of AO2013. And he needed 5 sets - with the first 4 being very tight.

And he has taken 1 whopping set off him since that match.

 

[Jonas78]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/re-emergen...-novak-djokovic-andy-murray-struggles-1615358
"Federer is a great champion, but one of the reasons he is in a position he is today is because Murray and Djokovic are not playing at their best level."

"I am not sure that Federer would stand a chance playing Novak from last year – I am not saying this because Nole is my friend, but because that is what I really think. Secondly, I was told that this year was the fastest Australian Open ever, it was the first year in who knows how many that the courts weren't resurfaced. If the court isn't resurfaced, it gets faster every year. Also, the balls in Melbourne usually get bigger as the match progresses and this year they were getting smaller."

"Federer wanted to prove in Melbourne that he is not done, he has beaten Kei [Nishikori] in five, [Stan] Wawrinka in five and Nadal in five. I think that before he used to play with some niggles and that now he is pain-free. Besides, I think Ivan Ljubicic helped him improve his backhand, Roger is hitting the best backhands in his career."

@tipsa...don'tlikehim!

These kind of stupid statements could be said for every player; Nole 2016 didnt have to face Rafa 2013 or Federer 2007 either. Sometimes the opposition is stronger, sometimes its weaker, its just the way it is. If they all met in their prime they would all win less.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

These kind of stupid statements could be said for every player; Nole 2016 didnt have to face Rafa 2013 or Federer 2007 either. Sometimes the opposition is stronger, sometimes its weaker, its just the way it is. If they all met in their prime they would all win less.

Agreed the hypotheticals are pointless, if forced to play this game, I think The Djokovic of 2014-2016 would beat this Federer more often than not, but I think Federer would win 1 of the 3 finals he lost playing like this. (USO 15, Wim 15, Wim 14.)

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Agreed the hypotheticals are pointless, if forced to play this game, I think The Djokovic of 2014-2016 would beat this Federer more often than not, but I think Federer would win 1 of the 3 finals he lost playing like this. (USO 15, Wim 15, Wim 14.)

That 2014 Wimbledon and USO 15 match haunts me. Because for large portions Djokovic did not play his best tennis, especially that USO final. That's why the Nadal win was so cathartic. Federer FINALLY cashed in on an opportunity ripe for the picking.

I think the 2014 Wimbeldon match is my top 5 heartbreaks as a Federer fan. He had BP at 3-3 in the 5th I believe. The crowd and the momentum of coming back in the fourth. But Djokovic was just too good.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

That 2014 Wimbledon and USO 15 match haunts me. Because for large portions Djokovic did not play his best tennis, especially that USO final. That's why the Nadal win was so cathartic. Federer FINALLY cashed in on an opportunity ripe for the picking.

I think the 2014 Wimbeldon match is my top 5 heartbreaks as a Federer fan. He had BP at 3-3 in the 5th I believe. The crowd and the momentum of coming back in the fourth. But Djokovic was just too good.

Wimbledon 2014 is the one he definitely could have won. Federer also missed a critical overhead I remember. And yes a BP in the 5th, similar to the one he had vs. Nadal in Wim 08. I thought Novak was gonna lose at that point.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Wimbledon 2014 is the one he definitely could have won. Federer also missed a critical overhead I remember. And yes a BP in the 5th, similar to the one he had vs. Nadal in Wim 08. I thought Novak was gonna lose at that point.

As the years go on though I've come to fully appreciate those matches. Federer-Djokovic matches are the only other matches besides Federer-Nadal matches that make me legitimately nervous and pace around during matches. I'd be lying if I said any other opponent does that to me.

 

[Noelan]

Wimbledon 2014 is the one he definitely could have won. Federer also missed a critical overhead I remember. And yes a BP in the 5th, similar to the one he had vs. Nadal in Wim 08. I thought Novak was gonna lose at that point.

At Wimbledon 2014 in 6 game of the 5 set he dumped the easiest volley in to net at 15 30 . I don't agree, Novak was the better player throughout the match , even in that 1 set he lost in TB.
Also lets not forget mob crowd and Djokovic nasty fall in 4th game of USO F

 

[Sentinel]

Can someone find Tio Toni's remark about Djokovic benefitting from Rafa and Fed being declined or injured.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

At Wimbledon 2014 in 6 game of the 5 set he dumped the easiest volley in to net at 15 30 . I don't agree, Novak was the better player throughout the match , even in that 1 set he lost in TB.
Also lets not forget mob crowd and Djokovic nasty fall in 4th game of USO F

Yeah it's possible. I think Djo was better in 2015/early 2016 than Federer now. But 2014 was tight, great to finally see him win a final after some tough losses. I was ecstatic when he won that Wim '14 final,

 

[Sentinel]

Tipsa should join TW. With that kind of hyperbole he'd fit right in.

How do you know he isn't here already?

He was here but sadly got banned. @Chico. Then he went to MTF and got banned there as well.

 

[Noelan]

Yeah it's possible. I think Djo was better in 2015/early 2016 than Federer now. But 2014 was tight, great to finally see him win a final after some tough losses. I was ecstatic when he won that Wim '14 final,

Agree Novak was tight, Federer played on Djokovic tightness at Wim 2014 and it won him 2 sets. Who can forget that Novak was 5 2 in 4 set and served to finish the match in 4 set
Djokovic defeated not only Federer in that Final but his own inner demons. .

 

[junior74]

Djoko15, who only had to compete with older and Stan, has become a very userfriendly standard
Surely taking AO17 gives F belief that BO5s are still doable for him.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Hyperbole both on Janko's end and by some here lol.

Yes, 2017 Federer would be the clear underdog against 2015/16 Djokovic in BO5. Hard to dispute that. For all the good hitting over his backhand has done him, it wouldn't help as much against a peaking Novak, who struggled sometimes against the slice (less so in recent years), and had his hands full against Fed's net forays. This new Fed is more baseline-happy. I see that playing into Djokovic's hands a bit. Which is okay. It's okay for a 35 year old Federer to be the underdog against a player having one of the best runs the sport has ever seen. Breathe, guys.

On the other hand, saying Federer would have no chance at all is asinine. As is lumping Murray with Djokovic at his best, the latter is on another planet. I think Federer in this form would likely dispatch even a well-playing Murray.

It's unquestionably true that Djokovic's woes have helped Federer. To that I would respond, who cares? It's also fortunate for him that Borg, Sampras, Lendl, Connors, McEnroe and Agassi weren't all in their primes simultaneously at this years Australian Open, but that's almost as pointless a truism as the other one.

 

[Kalin]

Also lets not forget ... Djokovic nasty fall in 4th game of USO F

That fall is the reason I don't sweat this match as much as others (being a Fed fan, that is). Novak clearly played sub-par for quite a while after the fall (who wouldn't) and Roger still couldn't come on top. Novak was just the better player on that day.

 

[guitarra]

It's extremely stupid of a pro to spew such biased comments in favour of hi fellow idolised countryman and discrediting the GOAT.

Looks like he has still nightmares about this epic 2008 Australian Open loss...

 

[Noelan]

That fall is the reason I don't sweat this match as much as others (being a Fed fan, that is). Novak clearly played sub-par for quite a while after the fall (who wouldn't) and Roger still couldn't come on top. Novak was just the better player on that day.

Recently watched the match ( for first time after it happened) and that fall looked even nastier than It did at first sight,Djokovic completely twisted his ankle before he fell on the ground.
I don't know maybe even Fed was distracted with it , although he broke back right after.
Novak started the match at very high intensity. I had a feeling that would be one of the easiest sets against Roger ...

 

[smalahove]

People being baited by the title.

It's "I am not sure that Federer would stand a chance". Not that he definitively "would not stand a chance".

Exactly, but it seems reading comprehension 101 is not a given.

"I am not sure that Federer would stand a chance playing Novak from last year"

is based on the veracity of the following (hypothetical) statement (the second part of the sentence above):

2017 Federer would stand a chance against 2016 Djokovic.

... which probably is a topic of discussion among the pros, given the Federer rise on the tail of the Murrovic decline.

 

[Gary Duane]

"I am not sure that Federer would stand a chance playing Novak from last year – I am not saying this because Nole is my friend, but because that is what I really think. Secondly, I was told that this year was the fastest Australian Open ever, it was the first year in who knows how many that the courts weren't resurfaced. If the court isn't resurfaced, it gets faster every year. Also, the balls in Melbourne usually get bigger as the match progresses and this year they were getting smaller."

This just gets silly. Novak from the end of 2015 through the middle of 2016 was playing a ridiculously high level of tennis on HCs. Fed was playing out of his mind most of the time in 2015, on HCs, but it's a bit unfair even so to compare him against a guy six years younger who was still at his peak "Gumbyness".

But Fed at Wimbledon was down hugely below his peak level on grass, so why are we only talking about HCs? He has declined terribly on what was once his best surface. Sort of unfair to leave out a guy's best surface...

 

[mike danny]

Recently watched the match ( for first time after it happened) and that fall looked even nastier than It did at first sight,Djokovic completely twisted his ankle before he fell on the ground.
I don't know maybe even Fed was distracted with it , although he broke back right after.
Novak started the match at very high intensity. I had a feeling that would be one of the easiest sets against Roger ...

It's hard to maintain focus knowing your opponent is hurt.

Look at Stan vs Nadal AO 2014. Stan losr that 3rd set precisely because he let Nadal's injury get into his head.

 

[Noelan]

Look at this service action:

If I was Tipsarevic, I'd go down every night on my knees and thank God that Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal were born, because they have carried this sport. They really have.

Ok I assume fanboyish thing in last part of your post was suppose to be joke but you just mocked Tipsarevic serve motion... Before injury, guy was one of best servers (for his height), look at his serve stats 2011,2012 was regularly among the ace leaders next to Isner, Karlovic, Raonic, Querrey... Also Tipsarevic was AO junior champ not some trash as youu described him , many players said he has one of the most technicaly sound shots on tour.

 

[Gary Duane]

Hyperbole both on Janko's end and by some here lol.

Yes, 2017 Federer would be the clear underdog against 2015/16 Djokovic in BO5. Hard to dispute that. For all the good hitting over his backhand has done him, it wouldn't help as much against a peaking Novak, who struggled sometimes against the slice (less so in recent years), and had his hands full against Fed's net forays. This new Fed is more baseline-happy. I see that playing into Djokovic's hands a bit. Which is okay. It's okay for a 35 year old Federer to be the underdog against a player having one of the best runs the sport has ever seen. Breathe, guys.

On the other hand, saying Federer would have no chance at all is asinine. As is lumping Murray with Djokovic at his best, the latter is on another planet. I think Federer in this form would likely dispatch even a well-playing Murray.

It's unquestionably true that Djokovic's woes have helped Federer. To that I would respond, who cares? It's also fortunate for him that Borg, Sampras, Lendl, Connors, McEnroe and Agassi weren't all in their primes simultaneously at this years Australian Open, but that's almost as pointless a truism as the other one.

The main problem in logic is that when two ATGs play each other and BOTH are playing near their highest ever level, the advantage will always go to the younger guy when the older is in his mid 30s.

That doesn't say that the older guy can't GOAT in a final and upset the apple cart, but it can't happen very often.

What Fed has done this year will not be fully appreciated for a very long time and should make a lot of people think very carefully about Ken Rosewall did in the 70s.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Funny how people in here criticising Tipsas comments. He sounds very much like so many in here.

 

[chjtennis]

I thought back in 2015, Djokovic had declined but there was simply no one to take advantage of that. Federer of 2017 is playing better than Federer of 2015/2016 as many people have mentioned, and I don't think it's a certainty 2015-2016 Djokovic would've beaten 2017 Federer. Federer's game always matched better against Djokovic's than Nadal's, but as someone has stated, we cannot say Federer would have easier time against Djokovic now that he's dealing with Nadal better. It would be really interesting to find out how Federer and Djokovic match up in 2017, and I am sure we will get to find out very soon.

 

[KINGROGER]

Well 1. This is a pointless comment. You could say the exact same "Djokovic wouldn't be winning 3 slams in 2011 or 5 in 2014-2015 if prime Federer was around".

And 2. What the hells Murray gonna do? This isn't 2010 when post prime unmotivated Fed had terrible tactics. Grandpa Fed absolutely owns his pigeon Murray, and Murray has always been his slam pigeon.

 

[mike danny]

I thought back in 2015, Djokovic had declined but there was simply no one to take advantage of that. Federer of 2017 is playing better than Federer of 2015/2016 as many people have mentioned, and I don't think it's a certainty 2015-2016 Djokovic would've beaten 2017 Federer. Federer's game always matched better against Djokovic's than Nadal's, but as someone has stated, we cannot say Federer would have easier time against Djokovic now that he's dealing with Nadal better. It would be really interesting to find out how Federer and Djokovic match up in 2017, and I am sure we will get to find out very soon.

Had Fed and Nole played in IW this year, I feel Fed would have won.

 

[mike danny]

We will never know whether Tipsa is right or not.

However, I must say that no chance seems a little harsh. The AO was faster this year than last year, so I would give 2017 Fed a solid chance to make a match out of it, certainly more than last year.

At IW I can also see 2017 Fed causing issues at IW vs Djokovic.

The one place I don't see 2017 Fed causing any damage to 2016 Nole is Miami.

 

[tenisdecente]

Funny how people in here criticising Tipsas comments. He sounds very much like so many in here.

Yeah, but one thing is to be a potato couch forum member and another to be a former pro (I dont know if I should call Tipsa a current pro, so...)

For that reason, what Janko says is a bit idiotic, considering he was a pro