How did Mr Fed win 3 slams after 35?

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Actually one would have to be pretty stupid to think that "everyone was crapping their pants but Del Potro showed the way" in a thread about Gramperer's vulturing achievements was referring to Del Potro's most consistent results. But you "got it" eventually. Kudos! Now do both a favor and don't allow me such possibilities in the future, thanks. :laughing:
Delpo didn't show squat so I'm not sure why you brought him up.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Coz he vultured them in Novak's absence.

Before 17/18 Novak beat RF in two Wimby finales, a USO finale and a AO semis. He was the big obstacle.

Similar to the way he vultured his only FO09 when Rafa was injured.

Yes, Rafa was injured at FO. he played below par vs Soderling, then pulled out of Wimby. Pulled out as defending champion.

Of course, there's also the luck of getting Cilic twice...

Nadal was not injured at 2009 RG. Got his a** kicked by Soderling.
He played excellent in his 2nd round match and GOATEd vs hewitt.

Federer faced a GOATing delpo in RG 2009 and beat him. Djokovic of course lost to a similar Wawrinka in RG 2015 final.
Djokovic vultured RG 2016 with Nadal injured and well below par competition.
Obviously Djoko also lost RG 11 to Federer.

Djokovic seriously lucky with Federer turning ~33 from Wim 14 onwards. Else would've been losing to him prime to prime at Wim. heck even past his prime Fed beat prime Djokovic in 4 sets in Wim 12.

Best version of Djokovic took 5 sets and saving MPs well playing, but past his prime Federer at USO. Obviously benefitted even more from Fed's decline in USO 15.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Nadal was not injured at 2009 RG. Got his a** kicked by Soderling.
He played excellent in his 2nd round match and GOATEd vs hewitt.

Federer faced a GOATing delpo in RG 2009 and beat him. Djokovic of course lost to a similar Wawrinka in RG 2015 final.
Djokovic vultured RG 2016 with Nadal injured and well below par competition.
Obviously Djoko also lost RG 11 to Federer.

Djokovic seriously lucky with Federer turning ~33 from Wim 14 onwards. Else would've been losing to him prime to prime at Wim. heck even past his prime Fed beat prime Djokovic in 4 sets in Wim 12.

Best version of Djokovic took 5 sets and saving MPs well playing, but past his prime Federer at USO. Obviously benefitted even more from Fed's decline in USO 15.
Rafa destroyed Soderling on their other 2-3 FO matches, AND in a Rome match just a few weeks earlier.

When he wasn't injured he crushed Soderling, hence the "defeat" that all FedArmy fanboiz are making such a stink over is rubbish.,. Paper tiger.

Rafa then canceled Wimby, no? As defending champ, no? Didn't injure himself playing golf, no?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Rafa destroyed Soderling on their other 2-3 FO matches, AND in a Rome match just a few weeks earlier.

When he wasn't injured he crushed Soderling, hence the "defeat" that all FedArmy fanboiz are making such a stink over is rubbish.,. Paper tiger.

Rafa then canceled Wimby, no? As defending champ, no? Didn't injure himself playing golf, no?

Soderling played nowhere near well in 2010 RG and 2011 RG as he did in 2009 RG match vs nadal. Maybe if you watched, you would know.
reality is Novak vulturing RG with Nadal injured and then facing crumbling Murray. Of course Novak had lost to red-hot Wawrinka in RG 15 unlike Federer beating red-hot Delpo. in 09 Of course Fed also beat Djoko in RG 11 semi.

As far as Nadal cancelling Wimby goes, combination of 2 reasons. Both combined matter (not just 1):
1. Mentally shaken big time after RG loss
2. Withdrew only after seeing the draw (he'd have beat Hewitt, Roddick, Murray&Federer potentially to win. fat, fat chance)
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Soderling played nowhere near well in 2010 RG and 2011 RG as he did in 2009 RG match vs nadal. Maybe if you watched, you would know.
reality is Novak vulturing RG with Nadal injured and then facing crumbling Murray. Of course Novak had lost to red-hot Wawrinka in RG 15 unlike Federer beating red-hot Delpo. in 09 Of course Fed also beat Djoko in RG 11 semi.

As far as Nadal cancelling Wimby goes, combination of 2 reasons. Both combined matter (not just 1):
1. Mentally shaken big time after RG loss
2. Withdrew only after seeing the draw (he'd have beat Hewitt, Roddick, Murray&Federer potentially to win. fat, fat chance)
Novak beat Thiem, and beat Rafa the year before.

Whereas RF never beat Rafa at FO.

RF fail.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Novak beat Thiem, and beat Rafa the year before.

Whereas RF never beat Rafa at FO.

RF fail.

LOL, Theim was #13 seed and young. You bringing that young Thiem as proof of anything? Ultra weak sauce. Should I bring in Fed's win over Djoko in AO 07 as proof of tough draw?

Yes, Djokovic beat the worst version of Rafa at the FO by far in 15. Then went 5 sets vs Murray and got dominated by Wawrinka in 4 sets. Your point?
 

ND-13

Hall of Fame
Novak beat Thiem, and beat Rafa the year before.

Whereas RF never beat Rafa at FO.

RF fail.


These kind of arguments don’t lead anywhere. Novak did not beat Fed at Wimbledon until he turned 33, which is what Novak is now. So, should we discount all of Novak’s Wimbledon titles ?

This ‘my player was injured, his player was old ‘ excuses are just that
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
These kind of arguments don’t lead anywhere. Novak did not beat Fed at Wimbledon until he turned 33, which is what Novak is now. So, should we discount all of Novak’s Wimbledon titles ?

This ‘my player was injured, his player was old ‘ excuses are just that
What, a Djokovic fan being obsessed with nonsensical ageism arguments?

When was Novak gonna beat RF at his "prime" at Wimby? In 2004 when he was 17?
 

ND-13

Hall of Fame
What, a Djokovic fan being obsessed with nonsensical ageism arguments?

When was Novak gonna beat RF at his "prime" at Wimby? In 2004 when he was 17?

Well, why did Novak and Rafa lose yesterday to Thiem and Medvedev ?

Are we saying Thiem and Medvedev play at a higher level of tennis than what anyone before accomplished.

This Rafa was injured, Rafa’s parents divorced, Fed had mono , Novak had marital issues are fanboy inventions , I would take age as a factor anytime over other made up reasons
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic took 2 years off. He'd have won at least 3 more in the preceding three years without him around, and minimum 1 more since.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Well, why did Novak and Rafa lose yesterday to Thiem and Medvedev ?

Are we saying Thiem and Medvedev play at a higher level of tennis than what anyone before accomplished.

This Rafa was injured, Rafa’s parents divorced, Fed had mono , Novak had marital issues are fanboy inventions , I would take age as a factor anytime over other made up reasons
Why not? they lost to great players.

In VERY close matches.

Is this unusual in tennis?
 

RS

Bionic Poster
His game was very strong and he managed his body well avoiding all these non stop weak era stuff.
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
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Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
When decline happens for the oldsters, it happens swiftly and ruthlessly. Rafa’s choking and utter exhaustion at the end of the Med match may be a portent of things to come.
Until you see it happen to one of your favorite players, it's not real. And you are right - it happens fast. It's also unpredictable and a little different for each player.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
There wasn't anything wrong with Djokovic 2017 AO. Wimbledon of course he was compromised. Still don't think he was stopping Federer. 2018 AO Federer was a bit lucky there. 2/3 slams Federer was winning anyway imo.
FedArmy acknowledge Mono as the biggest plague in the history of mankind yet elbow issues are a joke to them...

When it's Novak's elbow of course. If it were Roger's then the resulting ELBOWDRAMA from FedArmy would be heard all the way to the Moon.
 

BackhandDTL

Hall of Fame
Beating Thiem and Djokovic in slams is not vulture.

vulture is tied. 17 W 18 AO for Fed, 17,19 USO for Ned

prime v prime OTOH it’s like 9-1 in favor of Fed
 
FedArmy acknowledge Mono as the biggest plague in the history of mankind yet elbow issues are a joke to them...

When it's Novak's elbow of course. If it were Roger's then the resulting ELBOWDRAMA from FedArmy would be heard all the way to the Moon.
What was Djokovic's excuse for losing 2016/2012/2013 Wimbledon? Istomin just kicked that rear end at AO. Djokovic admitted as much himself.
 

Federev

Legend
He won by playing very very well. He was fresh, game was slightly different, he was more comfortable with the new racket, having Novak out of form helped of course, but it wasn't just because of Novak.
Where are you Hitman?
 
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1. Murray was the top seed and crapped himself as per usual when he's favorite at a slam.
2. Djokovic was in a slump.
3. Federer has a new strategy on his backhand versus Nadal.
4. Federer had had six months rest and was fresh as a daisy.
5. The surface was perfect for Federer's compact, aggressive game style. He could also hit through the court with his groundies.
6. Federer had a nice draw for him- Berdych-Nishikori (also on the come back)- M.Zverev (kind of a gift)-Wawrinka- Nadal (who on hard court that year turned out to be a favorable match up).
7. The game was lacking any real movement and momentum at the top from anyone but the big four and Wawrinka. Dimitrov did have a great go at it, but the belief from those guys was not there.

If any players will defy age, it'll be the likes of Federer who has one of the greatest games of all time and was, when he won the AO '17, the slam tally leader.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
1. Murray was the top seed and crapped himself as per usual when he's favorite at a slam.
2. Djokovic was in a slump.
3. Federer has a new strategy on his backhand versus Nadal.
4. Federer had had six months rest and was fresh as a daisy.
5. The surface was perfect for Federer's compact, aggressive game style. He could also hit through the court with his groundies.
6. Federer had a nice draw for him- Berdych-Nishikori (also on the come back)- M.Zverev (kind of a gift)-Wawrinka- Nadal (who on hard court that year turned out to be a favorable match up).
7. The game was lacking any real movement and momentum at the top from anyone but the big four and Wawrinka. Dimitrov did have a great go at it, but the belief from those guys was not there.

If any players will defy age, it'll be the likes of Federer who has one of the greatest games of all time and was, when he won the AO '17, the slam tally leader.
Nishikori wasn't on the comeback. And I wouldn't call Fed's draw nice. Having to beat 4 top 10 players to win it is never a gift.
 
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Peak play and vulture in 2017. Beat Nadal in a slam for the first time in a decade, and first time beating a grown man Nadal. Won a slam without needing to dodge Nadal. Won the Sunshine double for first time in over a decade. Best start to a season in over a decade. Got back the #1 ranking for the first time in years and so on etc. Then strolled into Wimbledon beating pigeons, and culminating in an injured finalist opponent putting the cherry on top of a career's work of vulturing.

Definitely peaked, or thereabouts.
 
2017 and 2019 USOs are big missed opportunities for Federer.
2019- Evans, Goffin, Dimitrov, Nadal all of them his pigeons and Medvedev too much variety for the generic Russian bot.
2017- Injured Delpo, Nadal, Anderson all of them as well very manageable for the Swiss maestro.
 
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2017 and 2019 USOs are big missed opportunities for Federer.
2019- Evans, Goffin, Dimitrov, Nadal all of them his pigeons and Medvedev too much variety for the generic Russian bot.
2017- Injured Delpo, Nadal, Anderson all of them as well very manageable for the Swiss maestro.
If he couldn't beat Fed-lite, Fed wasn't beating Nadal lol
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Fed is the son of God. He will retire for our tennis sins only when his work on the ATP Tour is done. Men's singles finals are usually played on Sundays. Coincidence? I think not!!!
 
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Federer is considered better than Agassi.
And Agassi was still a slam contender at age 35, and actually destroyed Federer for a set in the US Open Final
when Agassi was 35 and had played THREE 5-setters before reaching the final!
So it makes sense that a player superior to Agassi would win 2 or 3 slams at age 35, especially as Federer is less injury-prone than Agassi.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
He won by playing very very well. He was fresh, game was slightly different, he was more comfortable with the new racket, having Novak out of form helped of course, but it wasn't just because of Novak.
I know you wrote this more than a month ago, but every time I feel despair about anyone being fair, you write something like that that is really fair.

I don't know why people are hell bent on proving that this or that player does not deserve credit for what he's accomplished. Of course at any moment a player can get lucky or unlucky. We see that even with BPs, where a player wins converting nearly every break point and saving nearly all of them on serve, while another is absolutely dry. There are easier and harder draws. There are periods where competition is tougher or not tougher.

But I don't think that things have been consistently easy or hard for any players for the past 20 years. Taking only Novak, doesn't it seem pretty obvious that he's has some easier years, where his best competition was weaker? Doesn't it seem that at the time he was establishing himself he had a really hard lot, with Fed still playing very well, with Rafa perhaps hitting his highest level? It seems to me that the top players have all had lucky periods and hard periods, but over careers as long as theirs it just seems like luck and competition gradually evens out after such long careers.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
I know you wrote this more than a month ago, but every time I feel despair about anyone being fair, you write something like that that is really fair.

I don't know why people are hell bent on proving that this or that player does not deserve credit for what he's accomplished. Of course at any moment a player can get lucky or unlucky. We see that even with BPs, where a player wins converting nearly every break point and saving nearly all of them on serve, while another is absolutely dry. There are easier and harder draws. There are periods where competition is tougher or not tougher.

But I don't think that things have been consistently easy or hard for any players for the past 20 years. Taking only Novak, doesn't it seem pretty obvious that he's has some easier years, where his best competition was weaker? Doesn't it seem that at the time he was establishing himself he had a really hard lot, with Fed still playing very well, with Rafa perhaps hitting his highest level? It seems to me that the top players have all had lucky periods and hard periods, but over careers as long as theirs it just seems like luck and competition gradually evens out after such long careers.

I'm not really that objective, am I? :)
 
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