How does Roger Federer do it after all these years?

BeatlesFan

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How does Roger Federer do it after all these years?
Peter Bodo 1/14/2018

It's one of the great clichés in sports: The one rival that no athlete, no matter how great, can ever beat is time. That might be the case, but on the eve of the Australian Open, Roger Federer and time are at a set apiece, with Federer up a break.

At the age of 36, Federer is the favorite to win the men's singles title in Melbourne. It's remarkable. It seems impossible. It's downright freakish, a word not ordinarily applied to model citizen and paragon of classical tennis Federer. But there you have it.

Federer is waving his racket like some magic wand and clearly relishing the chance to add to his Grand Slam title count of 19. Gil Reyes, the trainer and mentor who guided Andre Agassi to the No. 1 ranking at age 33, calls Federer the "perfect athletic mechanism."

What is it that keeps him that way after all these years? Here are some clues:

Efficiency

This word invariably comes up in any conversation about Federer's game. But there are different kinds of efficiency, some more taxing than others. Federer's brand of efficiency makes him deadly and also spares him a lot of wear and tear. In a narrow sense, he gets to work less -- and win more -- than his rivals.

"This is a guy who plays in a relaxed way," ESPN analyst Chris Evert said in a phone call this week. "There's no strain. He doesn't muscle anything. He kind of glides around. ... And that style just doesn't result in a lot of injuries."

Preparation

Federer makes it look easy. He appears to win while barely breaking a sweat. That's the payoff for the work he does with his trainer of almost two decades, Pierre Paganini. The unassuming, owlish Paganini might be the best kept secret -- and secret weapon -- in tennis.

Federer's major rivals, from world No. 1 Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovicright down to fellow Swiss countryman Stan Wawrinka, are still struggling with injuries, which could make it impossible for them to last the fortnight in Australia.

"I work hard in the offseason to create a base that serves me well throughout the season, and then I rework the base time and time again throughout the season," Federer said to the press Sunday. "I think that's very important."

While neither man divulges much about their overall template, there are a number of videos of Federer-Paganini training sessions on YouTube, including one narrated by Federer himself.

Paganini's mantra is that a player doesn't just need to move fast; he needs to move correctly and in a tennis-specific way. That helps explain his abundant use of reflex drills, many of them involving tennis balls but not rackets. Those drills are part of Federer's typical warm-up for a practice session.

More importantly, Paganini has shied away from overemphasizing strength and stamina, even as Djokovic cultivated his "Ironman" image and Federer endured a five-year Grand Slam title drought.

"Some guys [trainers as well as players], the natural reaction to frustration is to think, 'Maybe I need to work harder,'" Reyes said. "But that may not be the solution, especially when a player is older. The challenge is to figure out how to work differently."

One thing the two high-performing 30-year-olds, Federer and Agassi, had in common is rock solid, trusting relationships with their trainers.

"[Paganini] made fitness workouts so enjoyable, if they ever can be," Federer said in an interview with the New York Times. "I just follow his beat. Whatever he tells me, I'll do it because I trust him."

Style

Federer's swashbuckling, aggressive style gives him an advantage in a game that now features a surfeit of punishing baseline duels.

"Fed is [the] only guy with a low slice who can get an opponent moving," said Spencer Segura, a former pro whose father, Pancho, developed Jimmy Connors' game. "He hits the low ball, and he comes in to cut off the reply. He also knows how to use the short angles. A lot of the other guys have good forehands, but the low ball really gets to them and makes them uncomfortable."

Federer's decision to embrace and hone an attacking style accounted for his win over rival Rafael Nadal in last year's Australian Open final -- the match that provided Federer with rocket fuel for all of 2017.

The Swiss star's use of serve-and-volley and slice, as well as his precise and accurate spot-serving, allow him to log many service games that last barely a minute. Some of his rivals take almost that long between points. But Federer's aggressive play isn't just efficient. It's also career-extending.

Flexibility

Federer was at an important crossroad when he lost to Milos Raonic in the 2016 Wimbledon semifinals. Federer was 34 years old, without a Grand Slam title since 2012 and returning from knee surgery in February.

It took a lot of flexibility -- and a fair amount of guts -- for Federer to withdraw from the season, committing to a late-career makeover. Clearly, he wanted to be a Grand Slam contender once again, rather than a game but washed-up champion content to go deep if not all the way at majors.

Federer has often said that the hiatus gave him the opportunity to hit the "reset" button and allowed him the luxury to work on and alter his game. All true, but it was a big risk to leave the game at that age and adopt new tactics.

Athleticism

"Roger moves as well as ever. He's so quick out of a corner," Reyes said. "His [redirect] step is really amazing. He doesn't slam on the brakes and lock up a knee before turning. He just drops his hips, bends his knees. He's like a giant spring."

Federer's athleticism is at the root of his efficiency, as well as his ability to remain injury-free. It provides the foundation for the way he plays, which few can emulate successfully.

"He moves naturally," Evert said. "He's got the fast-twitch muscles, so he glides across the court. His body is a gift. It has really helped him with his longevity and his style. He's played shorter points than most players."

Contentment

Federer is happy man. It's as obvious as the smile that so often transforms his elastic face. Federer has experienced no scandals, seems never to have questioned the value of what he does and loves being with his family. He clearly loves being Roger Federer, without really rubbing anyone else's nose in it. If you think that's easy, why aren't more people that way?

"Now it's different," Federer said. "Now I have a big family. I have a lot of friends that travel the world with me. I get to see familiar faces again at all these events because I've made so many friends over the course of my career. I'm so happy to come back to Melbourne, see all my friends that live here in Melbourne."

Said Evert: "I think mentally and emotionally, having kids, having a family, he gets away from the game."

She knows whereof she speaks, having had a lot of trouble navigating that territory in her own peak years.

"You always hear players complain that they want to be in one place or that they feel burned out," Evert continued. "Roger doesn't burn himself out mentally because he knows how to compartmentalize and live a normal life."

In the end, the secret to Federer's longevity might be no great mystery at all.

"I think he has a real joy for the game," Evert said. "That's what makes Federer Federer."

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BeatlesFan

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Unfortunately though he never had the makings of being a big match player against his biggest rivals.
Yeah, he would have had 34 slams by now had he been a better big match player, poor guy. Never mind his biggest rivals are 5 and 6 years younger than he. :rolleyes:

What's hilarious is you attempt to denigrate Fed, but his 19 slams still beats any other guy who picked up a racket.
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RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Oh look, your true colors have been exposed :D

In all these worshipping of fed daily in this place, we have to have the courage to put forward some things that are holes in Feds resume. Like being 9-18 in GS matches vs Djokodal, but also being 4-9 in GS finals vs Djokodal.

These are just facts and nothing to get jumped up about. We can't just look at the good stuff. There has to be balance.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
In all these worshipping of fed daily in this place, we have to have the courage to put forward some things that are holes in Feds resume. Like being 9-18 in GS matches vs Djokodal, but also being 4-9 in GS finals vs Djokodal.

These are just facts and nothing to get jumped up about. We can't just look at the good stuff. There has to be balance.
We also can't overlook the fact that you constantly prop up Djokovic by mentioning Fed was at is peak in 2015 and oh, how tough as competition he was.

Now you pull off this scam.

You can't say Djokovic had it tough with Federer and then say Federer is mentally weak. Which one is it?
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
It's always nice to see Paganini getting praise but why is Bodo comparing Stan's injury record unfavourably with Fed's? Has he done his research?
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic and Nadal showed that Federer was no unbeatable god like the media and everyone tried to make out of him and still are making. He got bested more often than not pretty convincingly by these two players when it mattered, everywhere.

That's all I have to say more in this thread. Thanks.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
In all these worshipping of fed daily in this place, we have to have the courage to put forward some things that are holes in Feds resume. Like being 9-18 in GS matches vs Djokodal, but also being 4-9 in GS finals vs Djokodal.

These are just facts and nothing to get jumped up about. We can't just look at the good stuff. There has to be balance.
Why did you feel the need to bring it up here, though? Butthurt?

I mean I could understand you bring it up if someone said something mean about Djokovic, but this wasn't the case.

I didn't see you bring up any "balance" in the Djokovic worship threads.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
@RF-18 at least in this new year , would you stop being a hypocrite and request mods to change your id to ND-13

If Fed is a weak big match player then let us put an asterisk in the 9 finals he lost to Djokodal ? You better make up your mind what exactly Fed is - a weak or strong player as this mental gymnastics of yours is getting tiring
 

killerboi2

Hall of Fame
Djokovic and Nadal showed that Federer was no unbeatable god like the media and everyone tried to make out of him and still are making. He got bested more often than not pretty convincingly by these two players when it mattered, everywhere.

That's all I have to say more in this thread. Thanks.

He would have been 2-10 in slams to Nadal had he lost the AO meeting. No one with a 2-10 record in slams could ever be GOAT. 3-9 isn't great but it still keeps Fed in GOAT conversation. He is too good to be out of the conversation and will win slams in any era but yeah, definitely not god or a religious experience like the fans and media say he is.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
He would have been 2-10 in slams to Nadal had he lost the AO meeting. No one with a 2-10 record in slams could ever be GOAT. 3-9 isn't great but it still keeps Fed in GOAT conversation. He is too good to be out of the conversation and will win slams in any era but yeah, definitely not god or a religious experience like the fans and media say he is.

End of the day he has the least holes in resume . If a Fed loss to Djokodal who are 5-6 years younger is bad then what does it speak of Djokodal’s inabilities to get past inferior opponents like Stan and Andy ? If they are so good they should be the one with 19 majors
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
End of the day he has the least holes in resume . If a Fed loss to Djokodal who are 5-6 years younger is bad then what does it speak of Djokodal’s inabilities to get past inferior opponents like Stan and Andy ? If they are so good they should be the one with 19 majors

But mate, they don't have inferior records against Murray and Wawrinka
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
@RF-18 at least in this new year , would you stop being a hypocrite and request mods to change your id to ND-13

If Fed is a weak big match player then let us put an asterisk in the 9 finals he lost to Djokodal ? You better make up your mind what exactly Fed is - a weak or strong player as this mental gymnastics of yours is getting tiring
Exactly. He is propping up Fed as some sort of proof that Djokovic played in a strong era in 2014-2016, yet here he is calling him mentally weak.

I'm confused. So did Djokovic have it tough or not? Because he can't say Djokovic had Fed as tough competition while him also being mentally weak.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
He would have been 2-10 in slams to Nadal had he lost the AO meeting. No one with a 2-10 record in slams could ever be GOAT. 3-9 isn't great but it still keeps Fed in GOAT conversation. He is too good to be out of the conversation and will win slams in any era but yeah, definitely not god or a religious experience like the fans and media say he is.
That's not logical. If you think it's possible to have a GOAT you need to set your criteria in advance and then see how players match up to them.You can't just make arbitrary statements and say "a GOAT can't do this" or "a GOAT can't do that". If you think it's impossible to set criteria then the GOAT is just a matter of personal opinion.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
He would have been 2-10 in slams to Nadal had he lost the AO meeting. No one with a 2-10 record in slams could ever be GOAT. 3-9 isn't great but it still keeps Fed in GOAT conversation. He is too good to be out of the conversation and will win slams in any era but yeah, definitely not god or a religious experience like the fans and media say he is.

He could be 2-10 vs Trump and you still couldn’t take what makes him special away, let alone his overall record. Haters gonna hate as usual.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Djokovic and Nadal showed that Federer was no unbeatable god like the media and everyone tried to make out of him and still are making. He got bested more often than not pretty convincingly by these two players when it mattered, everywhere.

That's all I have to say more in this thread. Thanks.
Translation: I'm butthurt that Djokovic is not close to Federer and probably never will be so let's throw mud at Fed instead.
 
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Beyond GOAT or as Sureshs might approve a contender for the Multiverse GOAT.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
But they have lost slams to them. Djokovic quite a significant amount too, which is why he only has 12 slams.
I never understand this part of the anti-Fed argument that seems to punish him for losing to wonderful players.I mean,if Djoko is better than Murray then surely it' s worse for Djoko' s GOAT credentials to lose to Murray than it is for Fed to lose to Djoko?
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
Fed's style is less punishing in the body, and he has suffered less injuries than his main rivals. And it's less vulnerable to physical decline, as it relies a little less on that that his main rivals as well. What I can't figure out is why he hasn't won the USO in 10 years.
 
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BeatlesFan

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but also being 4-9 in GS finals vs Djokodal.

There has to be balance.

You allude to having "balance." Please then address how unbalanced this stat is since three of the Fed-Djoker slam finals were when Fed was 33 and 34 years old and the man beating him was 27-28.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Fed's style is less punishing in the body, and he has suffered less injuries than his main rivals. And it's less vulnerable to physical decline, as it relies a little less on that that his main rivals as well. What I can't figure out is why he hasn't won the USO in 10 years.

Federer:
“Attacking tennis also has a lot of wear and tear on the body,” he said of his reversion in recent seasons to raiding the net, “because being highly explosive is something that’s a big challenge. Playing more of a reactive game is maybe more physical in the sense that you play longer rallies, you spend more time on the court, but it’s always pretty much the same. It’s a similar rhythm. There’s not that much sprints going on in this regard."
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
You allude to having "balance." Please then address how unbalanced this stat is since three of the Fed-Djoker slam finals were when Fed was 33 and 34 years old and the man beating him was 27-28.

It has to do with that Federer reached the final by beating his opponents and reaching the final in great form. He played under conditions that favoured him, he had home crowd advantage, he was at a high level and ready for the task. No one can deny the form Federer was in leading up to those finals, alot of people and fans were hella sure that Federer had a great chance of winning pre match thanks to what form he was in. I remember it so good how positive people were about his chances. Even in W15 and USO15, he arrived to the finals in better form than Djokovic. But he failed, and Djokovic bested him. And after that, excuses started rolling in the you didn't hear before.

Those finals were not unbalanced at all. Fed was in great condition, and he played under conditions that should favour him over Djokovic + home crowd advantage. Djokovic proved to be too strong, as he has shown in majority of their GS matches.
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
Federer:
“Attacking tennis also has a lot of wear and tear on the body,” he said of his reversion in recent seasons to raiding the net, “because being highly explosive is something that’s a big challenge. Playing more of a reactive game is maybe more physical in the sense that you play longer rallies, you spend more time on the court, but it’s always pretty much the same. It’s a similar rhythm. There’s not that much sprints going on in this regard."
There is some truth to that in general, but not in the case of Nadal, because of his insane defense relying so much on explosive speed. Nadal's game is not "all the same" either, because he is a counterpuncher.
 

Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
It has to do with that Federer reached the final by beating his opponents and reaching the final in great form. He played under conditions that favoured him, he had home crowd advantage, he was at a high level and ready for the task. No one can deny the form Federer was in leading up to those finals, alot of people and fans were hella sure that Federer had a great chance of winning pre match thanks to what form he was in. Even in W15 and USO15, he arrived to the finals in better form than Djokovic. But he failed, and Djokovic bested him.

Those finals were not unbalanced at all. Fed was in great condition, and he played under conditions that should favour him over Djokovic + home crowd advantage.

Serious question. Why did you ever pretend to be a Federer fan when you're such a bitter hater? Did you really think you could get away with it? Djokovic is back on the tour. Why are you still obsessing over Federer? Aren't you happy to see him back?:confused:
 

killerboi2

Hall of Fame
It has to do with that Federer reached the final by beating his opponents and reaching the final in great form. He played under conditions that favoured him, he had home crowd advantage, he was at a high level and ready for the task. No one can deny the form Federer was in leading up to those finals, alot of people and fans were hella sure that Federer had a great chance of winning pre match thanks to what form he was in. I remember it so good how positive people were about his chances. Even in W15 and USO15, he arrived to the finals in better form than Djokovic. But he failed, and Djokovic bested him. And after that, excuses started rolling in the you didn't hear before.

Those finals were not unbalanced at all. Fed was in great condition, and he played under conditions that should favour him over Djokovic + home crowd advantage. Djokovic proved to be too strong, as he has shown in majority of their GS matches.

I agree and another thing I would like to add is that if he was playing players like Roddick and Hewitt in them finals, he would have beaten them and the fans and the media would have been ranting about how he is god and wondering how he does it. Old when it suits him and god when it doesn't.
 

Pagoo

G.O.A.T.
I agree and another thing I would like to add is that if he was playing players like Roddick and Hewitt in them finals, he would have beaten them and the fans and the media would have been ranting about how he is god and wondering how he does it. Old when it suits him and god when it doesn't.

LOL. You're hopeless. How do you manage to function IRL? A true tragedy.:(
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
It has to do with that Federer reached the final by beating his opponents and reaching the final in great form. He played under conditions that favoured him, he had home crowd advantage, he was at a high level and ready for the task. No one can deny the form Federer was in leading up to those finals, alot of people and fans were hella sure that Federer had a great chance of winning pre match thanks to what form he was in. I remember it so good how positive people were about his chances. Even in W15 and USO15, he arrived to the finals in better form than Djokovic. But he failed, and Djokovic bested him. And after that, excuses started rolling in the you didn't hear before.

Those finals were not unbalanced at all. Fed was in great condition, and he played under conditions that should favour him over Djokovic + home crowd advantage. Djokovic proved to be too strong, as he has shown in majority of their GS matches.

And yet, Djokovic has seven fewer slams. That's a gigantic difference and nothing you can throw out there will change that.

Also, please spare us about W15. Djokovic is six years younger than Federer and Djokovic was at his peak in 2015. Why should an ATG at his peak lose to a player six years his senior, even to an ATG like Federer? Djokovic should never lose to Federer again.
 
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tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Fed's style is less punishing in the body, and he has suffered less injuries than his main rivals. And it's less vulnerable to physical decline, as it relies a little less on that that his main rivals as well. What I can't figure out is why he hasn't won the USO in 10 years.

Choosing a particular style has both its benefits and flip sides. Higher the risk , higher the chances of making errors.

Nadal and Djokovic also had a choice and they chose the option of grinding . They were successful too.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree and another thing I would like to add is that if he was playing players like Roddick and Hewitt in them finals, he would have beaten them and the fans and the media would have been ranting about how he is god and wondering how he does it. Old when it suits him and god when it doesn't.

Unfortunately the amount of excuses that has been made up for Federer over all the years are something to behold. Federer deserves better than that.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
It has to do with that Federer reached the final by beating his opponents and reaching the final in great form. He played under conditions that favoured him, he had home crowd advantage, he was at a high level and ready for the task. No one can deny the form Federer was in leading up to those finals, alot of people and fans were hella sure that Federer had a great chance of winning pre match thanks to what form he was in. I remember it so good how positive people were about his chances. Even in W15 and USO15, he arrived to the finals in better form than Djokovic. But he failed, and Djokovic bested him. And after that, excuses started rolling in the you didn't hear before.

Those finals were not unbalanced at all. Fed was in great condition, and he played under conditions that should favour him over Djokovic + home crowd advantage. Djokovic proved to be too strong, as he has shown in majority of their GS matches.

But was he able to do that 19 times ?
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic and Nadal showed that Federer was no unbeatable god like the media and everyone tried to make out of him and still are making. He got bested more often than not pretty convincingly by these two players when it mattered, everywhere.

That's all I have to say more in this thread. Thanks.
Too bad Djokovic and Nadal didn't have the chops to beat Istomin, Querrey, Muller, and Poullie, Darcis and friends no?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Unfortunately the amount of excuses that has been made up for Federer over all the years are something to behold. Federer deserves better than that.

No excuses need to be made for Federer. He has the slam record and weeks @ #1 record. Djokovic doesn't.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
And yet, Djokovic has seven fewer slams. That's a gigantic difference and nothing you can throw out there will change that.

Also, please spare us about W15. Djokovic is six years younger than Federer and Djokovic was at his peak in 2015. Why should an ATG great at his peak lose to a player six years his senior, even to an ATG like Federer? Djokovic should never lose to Federer again.
Exactly.I can't even begin to grasp how Fed losing to peak Djoko proves that Fed can't be GOAT yet it's OK for Djoko to lose four slam finals against Murray and Stan and still be GOAT.Both great players of course but not ATGs.
 

Comb Over Champion

Hall of Fame
Choosing a particular style has both its benefits and flip sides. Higher the risk , higher the chances of making errors.

Nadal and Djokovic also had a choice and they chose the option of grinding . They were successful too.
Yes, they are both relative grinders compared to Federer. But Federer is no Stepanek either. ;)
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
It has to do with that Federer reached the final by beating his opponents and reaching the final in great form. He played under conditions that favoured him, he had home crowd advantage, he was at a high level and ready for the task. No one can deny the form Federer was in leading up to those finals, alot of people and fans were hella sure that Federer had a great chance of winning pre match thanks to what form he was in. I remember it so good how positive people were about his chances. Even in W15 and USO15, he arrived to the finals in better form than Djokovic. But he failed, and Djokovic bested him. And after that, excuses started rolling in the you didn't hear before.

Those finals were not unbalanced at all. Fed was in great condition, and he played under conditions that should favour him over Djokovic + home crowd advantage. Djokovic proved to be too strong, as he has shown in majority of their GS matches.
The advantage of being young and at your peak, right? It helps a lot when half of their slam matches were when Fed was 30+ and Djokovic was at his peak.

By the way, was Djokovic strong or Federer mentally weak? You can't have it both ways.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic made 21 finals and won 12
Fed made 29 finals and won 19.

Wonder who the better big match player is ??

But haven't you heard? This means Federer has lost 10 GS finals while Djokovic has only lost 9. Ergo, Djokovic is the better big match player. :rolleyes:

QED.
 
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