How high can De Minaur climb?

[Keizer]

I mean, I agree with you that De Minaur has very little tennis skill indeed. But isn’t the argument that he does have unreal conditioning and a low error rate?

I was alluding to Djokovic and Murray with the unreal conditioning and low-error rate comment. I guess I can't comment on the standard that will be required to win a slam during De Minaur's career. But what I can say is that he is nowhere near Murray or Djokovic in terms of his error rate, at least.

 

[Shank Volley]

I was alluding to Djokovic and Murray with the unreal conditioning and low-error rate comment. I guess I can't comment on the standard that will be required to win a slam during De Minaur's career. But what I can say is that he is nowhere near Murray or Djokovic in terms of his error rate, at least.

He's got less consistency, less power, and less precision. There's a reason that the only thing you ever hear commentators talking about when he's playing is his 'wheels'.

 

[True Fanerer]

Just watched Tsonga/De Minaur highlights. OMG 7:12-7:28...

 

[helterskelter]

I was alluding to Djokovic and Murray with the unreal conditioning and low-error rate comment. I guess I can't comment on the standard that will be required to win a slam during De Minaur's career. But what I can say is that he is nowhere near Murray or Djokovic in terms of his error rate, at least.

I don't think he'll win a Slam, either. But I can see that case that for his age and in this day and age he is looking good in terms of error rate and conditioning. Murray and Djokovic both won multiple Slams and reached 10+ slam finals. A player could be a lot worse than them and still win a slam. But De Minaur is so far a lot, lot worse than them!

 

[LETitBE]

should have put him on a "programme" when he was 15

 

[Tennease]

19 years old. Wins ATP title. What a Fighter.

 

[Red Rick]

19 years old. Wins ATP title. What a Fighter.

Just too good from De Minaur

 

[mental midget]

Just too good from De Minaur

yep gotta hand it to him. other than speed he truly has, like, zero weapons. but court coverage, consistency and point construction can take you far. he's definitely internalized the hewitt mindset and whatever you think of the guy, it works. funny, i don't really like anything about his game, and yet i like watching him play.

 

[Nostradamus]

He's already 31 in the world at 19. That's outstanding in this era of tennis. He seems to be a lot more mentally stable than either Kyrgios or Tomic and has a much better work ethic.

I don't know about a slam but I could see him cracking the top 10 and staying there for a while in a couple of years.

no, he is top 30 at best. he lacks that big serve. this isn't the Hewitt era where without a big serve, he was able to get to top 10. in this era, you have to have the big serve to get to top 10

 

[Red Rick]

Hewitt was also just miles better from the baseline, as well as a stronger returner

 

[Meles]

I like the Demon's attitude and work ethics toward tennis. I thought his speed was insane vs. Cilic at the USO18 (can he do that day-to-day without fatigue/injury?). With that said, and from what I've seen of Demon's game, I think his peak is top10 (and probably briefly, if that) unless he develops a 'weapon' other than speed.

To me, Demon is like a Hewitt 'Lite'. Hewitt had Demon's game, but better, but once an ATG bloomed (2002+ Federer, then Nadalovic later) it's lights outs. Not to mention that he couldn't keep his speed intact due to injuries (it's probably what caused it?).

Demon's success is 'not on his racquet' per-se. If no ATG shows up, he'll succeed more, and vice versa. I'm not sure if he can develop a weapon FH/BH, but I think he'd need one in order to be anywhere near #1.
Slams?
That depends on the upcoming transition era.

Speed kills, but alone is not enough, but things have changed for the Demon. He now has a sneaky forehand. Commies for the Sydney final spotted it and its his walk through forehand. Not only does it get close to 150 kph these days, but he catches it really early compounding its impact as even right down the middle its a very nice change up. Add that to his stamina (though not serve efficient slam stamina) and incredible grit and you have a player of strong merit. Hewitt was able to win majors without a great serve, so why not De Minaur especially if his career is not shortened by injury?

 

[Crisp]

I think he will go far. Seppi is no slouch. He went into the net I think 24 times for 20 points won.... Not bad for a defensive baseline!!

 

[NuBas]

 

[NuBas]

 

[mental midget]

Hewitt was also just miles better from the baseline, as well as a stronger returner

this is true--hewitt's speed was of course crazy but he also had very smooth stroke production off both sides allowing him to flow effortlessly into shots off both wings, recover, and get rolling again. a very 'one-piece' game, everything hung together without any hitches.

 

[reaper]

I think he will go far. Seppi is no slouch. He went into the net I think 24 times for 20 points won.... Not bad for a defensive baseline!!

De Minaur is one of the better volleyers on tour.

 

[Bartelby]

De Minaur beats Seppi and Hewitt's girl suddenly becomes slam material?

 

[Bartelby]

He went to the net to put away the floating ball so, no, he is not a volleyer. Nadal does the same and that also leads him to being thought of as a volleyer.

I think he will go far. Seppi is no slouch. He went into the net I think 24 times for 20 points won.... Not bad for a defensive baseline!!

 

[reaper]

He went to the net to put away the floating ball so, no, he is not a volleyer. Nadal does the same and that also leads him to being thought of as a volleyer.

That's an interesting take on it. He must at least move forward instinctively even if his volleying's nothing special to have stats as good as those mentioned...or even to have come to net 24 times in a 2 set match.

 

[davced1]

Let us know how it goes, but typically pusher's don't need pace.

Just watched Tsonga/De Minaur highlights. OMG 7:12-7:28...

I don't know. Last year I would have said top 10 but after this Tsonga match I am not so sure anymore. I think de Minaurs lack of power really was exposed here so he will definitely need some more power ahead.

 

[Bartelby]

The put-away volley is one that is made off the weak ball, and it is an excellent strategy based on intelligence and not instinct ... but nothing special in baseline tennis.

That's an interesting take on it. He must at least move forward instinctively even if his volleying's nothing special to have stats as good as those mentioned...or even to have come to net 24 times in a 2 set match.

 

[reaper]

The put-away volley is one that is made off the weak ball, and it is an excellent strategy based on intelligence and not instinct ... but nothing special in baseline tennis.

I think it's based on instinct. If you wait long enough after hitting your shot to do the calculation as to whether to come to net your position for the volley won't be good. The move has to be an instinctive one.

 

[tennisaddict]

ADM is Ferrer’s illegitimate child . Can see him as a perennial top 10 fixture in this weak era . That mobility and work ethic alone seems enough to stay there

 

[Freddy Cat]

Weakest groundstrokes on tour right now. He throws his body into a 50 mph forehand.

 

[Bartelby]

Instinctive volleying in tennis is usually reserved for people who come in on the serve and who can hit several volleys in a row at the net, not people who put away floating balls.

Raonic is an even better volleyer than de Minaur and more 'instinctive', to use your choice of word.

I think it's based on instinct. If you wait long enough after hitting your shot to do the calculation as to whether to come to net your position for the volley won't be good. The move has to be an instinctive one.

 

[Bartelby]

de Minaur faces a qualifier in the next round, so he doesn't have to get off his knees to climb a bit higher.

 

[reaper]

Instinctive volleying in tennis is usually reserved for people who come in on the serve and who can hit several volleys in a row at the net, not people who put away floating balls.

Raonic is an even better volleyer than de Minaur and more 'instinctive', to use your word of choice.

My choice of word related to court positioning rather than shot execution. As for Raonic he volleyed very well last night, he's been criticized as someone who doesn't so much serve and volley as serve and run aimlessly at the net after it. Ie his prowess at net in technique and execution often leave much to be desired.

 

[Bartelby]

I wouldn't describe Raonic as a great volleyer, but he does do far more with this shot than put away the floater.

My choice of word related to court positioning rather than shot execution. As for Raonic he volleyed very well last night, he's been criticized as someone who doesn't so much serve and volley as serve and run aimlessly at the net after it. Ie his prowess at net in technique and execution often leave much to be desired.

 

[Crisp]

He went to the net to put away the floating ball so, no, he is not a volleyer. Nadal does the same and that also leads him to being thought of as a volleyer.

I didn't say he was a volleyer merely pointed out that he went to the net that many times and in my opinion that bodes well for him and a string he needs to add to his bow as he does not have the power to finish points from the baseline only. 24 times to net is alot of times to go to net for a defensive baseline player.

 

[SpinToWin]

Depends how many hits he takes from the bong

 

[NuBas]

Great presser

 

[tacou]

That was the first match I've seen of him. Definitely a fan. If his FH reaches its ceiling I think he can win majors. Great on court attitude.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Needs to raise the bar. Only one QF so far (USO20).

 

[Sudacafan]

I believe De Miñaúr has good chances of stealing a third game of a set from Djokovic in 2026.

 

[No_Kwan_Do]

De Minaur looks like he's reaching his ceiling, so top 15 at best.

He might get a slam SF if the draw falls for him.

 

[A-Style]

Based on Djokovic's post match comments it sounds like he intentionally went out to put Di Minaur on show.

AdM was particularly vocal last year about the Djokovic visa saga and I think his comments come home to roost last night. He was absolutely belted.

In terms of ceiling, he's probably reached it. He's a worse version of Hewitt hence the lovefest between the two. Absolute warrior counterpuncher but no real weapons to hurt more physically gifted players.

He will land the occasional win (and has) against these players but rarely when they count, I feel. I.e. beating Nadal at the United Cup a couple of weeks back. That won't happen at a GS.

 

[The_Order]

Based on Djokovic's post match comments it sounds like he intentionally went out to put Di Minaur on show.

AdM was particularly vocal last year about the Djokovic visa saga and I think his comments come home to roost last night. He was absolutely belted.

In terms of ceiling, he's probably reached it. He's a worse version of Hewitt hence the lovefest between the two. Absolute warrior counterpuncher but no real weapons to hurt more physically gifted players.

He will land the occasional win (and has) against these players but rarely when they count, I feel. I.e. beating Nadal at the United Cup a couple of weeks back. That won't happen at a GS.

Come on... Alex only said something along the lines of his judgement, his consequences... how much of a snow flake would Novak have to be to hold onto that for 12 months LOL

Rather, Alex entered the match with rubbish "happy to be there and collect my participation award" attitude and the most ridiculous tactics possible... along with a matchup that heavily plays into Novak's hands...

 

[A-Style]

Come on... Alex only said something along the lines of his judgement, his consequences... how much of a snow flake would Novak have to be to hold onto that for 12 months LOL

Rather, Alex entered the match with rubbish "happy to be there and collect my participation award" attitude and the most ridiculous tactics possible... along with a matchup that heavily plays into Novak's hands...

Thing is, he probably shouldn't have commented at all. He did and Djok too them the way he did potentially. Players will use lots of anecdotes etc to motivate themselves. I don't think it's beyond the pale to assume that Djok did it in this instance. The fact that he made reference to his comments I think somewhat reaffirms my point.

As for this "don't worry, be happy" mentality it wreaks of mediocrity. He is a battler in the same vein Lleyton was so maybe he's been taken out of context

 

[mahatma]

Reached his top and now is questioning his own tennis after getting mauled by Djokovic.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Is this a joke thread?

His ceiling after 15 years on tour will be five 250’s and a semi in a 500. If that.

 

[Jonesy]

If demon got destroyed in slow conditions that favoured him imagine what Djoe would have done in fast conditions. I guess that guy demon beat at the united cup wasn't really Nadal, just someone pretending to be him.

 

[Cashman]

His ceiling after 15 years on tour will be five 250’s and a semi in a 500. If that.

Bit harsh given he already has 6x250s and 2x500 finals

This loss aside he played some nice tennis this week, I don't think he's a slam winner but equally I don't think we've seen the best of him yet

 

[A-Style]

Bit harsh given he already has 6x250s and 2x500 finals

This loss aside he played some nice tennis this week, I don't think he's a slam winner but equally I don't think we've seen the best of him yet

We are all **** canning the guy and yet he has more talent in his little finger than most of will ever have haha

 

[mahatma]

We are all **** canning the guy and yet he has more talent in his little finger than most of will ever have haha

Talk about yourself. Pls

 

[jm1980]

Is this a joke thread?

His ceiling after 15 years on tour will be five 250’s and a semi in a 500. If that.

Bit harsh given he already has 6x250s and 2x500 finals

This loss aside he played some nice tennis this week, I don't think he's a slam winner but equally I don't think we've seen the best of him yet

Lol, one of the 500 finals was against Fed at Basel

 

[Fabresque]

Courier asked Djokovic post match why he beat De Minaur so convincingly. His answer was “because I wanted to”.

Tells you everything you need to know about this powderpuff tennis player.

 

[jm1980]

De Minaur's serve is flat out terrible.

Like, much worse than Murray. He's not getting there.

His serve gets railed on, but he's been bulking up and adding power to his shots, including his serve. He's added some pop to it.

Djokovic seemed still unfazed by it, but de Minaur was matching Novak at least in the serve speed department - 205 kph (127 mph) max and 189 kph (117 mph) average (stats). Now he just needs to work on spin and placement

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616632609148375041

 

[A-Style]

Talk about yourself. Pls

Na... you're included. That's why you're on here ;-)

 

[mahatma]

Na... you're included. That's why you're on here ;-)

It’s not a forum of losers. Redirect yourself to find such forums.

I take pride in what I do and am quite good at my work and make a lot of money doing what I do. So dear loser, take your baggage of losses to some other forum.

For me it’s a tennis forum with some fun and banter.

 

[DSH]

De Minaur looks like he's reaching his ceiling, so top 15 at best.

He might get a slam SF if the draw falls for him.

The guy is a featherweight playing against heavyweights and his attitude is also not commendable.
In this age everything is possible but he will hardly be able to even reach a GS semifinal.