How many slams does 2004-2009 Federer win in 2011-2016 in place of Djokovic?
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all 24 of them
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
2004 Rog in 2011 - Wins AO, Wimbledon & USO, gets humiliated by Rafa at RG,
2005 Rog in 2012 - AO is 50/50 v/s Rafa, wins Wimbledon & USO, loses to Rafa at RG
2006 Rog in 2013 - loses AO to Wawrinka, wins Wimbledon, takes Rafa to 5 at RG but loses, USO is 50/50 with Rafa
2007 Rog in 2014 - Wins AO, Wimbledon & USO, takes Rafa to 5 at RG and loses again
2008 Rog in 2015 - AO is 50/50 v/s Murray (both 2008 AOerer and 2015 AOrray were bad), RG is 50/50 with Wawrinka, wins Wimbledon & USO,
2009 Rog in 2016 - CYGS
Total - 15 slams assured, 4 slams are 50/50, 5 are definitely lost
2005 Rog in 2012 - AO is 50/50 v/s Rafa, wins Wimbledon & USO, loses to Rafa at RG
2006 Rog in 2013 - loses AO to Wawrinka, wins Wimbledon, takes Rafa to 5 at RG but loses, USO is 50/50 with Rafa
2007 Rog in 2014 - Wins AO, Wimbledon & USO, takes Rafa to 5 at RG and loses again
2008 Rog in 2015 - AO is 50/50 v/s Murray (both 2008 AOerer and 2015 AOrray were bad), RG is 50/50 with Wawrinka, wins Wimbledon & USO,
2009 Rog in 2016 - CYGS
Total - 15 slams assured, 4 slams are 50/50, 5 are definitely lost
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Fedr peak 6-year 2004-09:
99 events, 66 reaching finals (Rafa 47, Roddick 29, Nole 27, Murray 20)
Overall, vs top5, vs top10
442-51(89.66%) 44-23(65.67%) 91-30(75.21%)
Against other members of Big4:
7-13 against Rafa
9-5 against Nole
4-6 against Murray
20-24 Combined
Nole peak 6-year 2011-16:
99 events, 64 reaching finals (Rafa 45, Fedr 42, Murray 41, Ferrer 32)
Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Nole 427-50(89.52%) 66-25(72.53%) 140-34(80.46%)
Against other members of Big4:
17-9 against Fedr
19-7 against Rafa
20-8 against Murray
56-24 Combined
Peak Federer exhibits relative weaknesses in nearly every aspect, with the contrast between 20-24 and 56-24 being particularly mind-boggling.
99 events, 66 reaching finals (Rafa 47, Roddick 29, Nole 27, Murray 20)
Overall, vs top5, vs top10
442-51(89.66%) 44-23(65.67%) 91-30(75.21%)
Against other members of Big4:
7-13 against Rafa
9-5 against Nole
4-6 against Murray
20-24 Combined
Nole peak 6-year 2011-16:
99 events, 64 reaching finals (Rafa 45, Fedr 42, Murray 41, Ferrer 32)
Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Nole 427-50(89.52%) 66-25(72.53%) 140-34(80.46%)
Against other members of Big4:
17-9 against Fedr
19-7 against Rafa
20-8 against Murray
56-24 Combined
Peak Federer exhibits relative weaknesses in nearly every aspect, with the contrast between 20-24 and 56-24 being particularly mind-boggling.
jl809
Hall of Fame
2004-2009 H2H should include Roddick, Hewitt and Agassi. They were his main rivals between 2004-2005 and Roddick beyond that with 5 slam meetings. Murray was irrelevant, 1-0 in slam matches. Small sample size.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Are these not accounted for in the top 5 or top 10 data??
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
06 Fed will win 13 AO. Who should beat him there if Djoker is out? Ferrer? Murray?
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Same here. Why does 06 Fed only "possibly" wins AO in 13? 06 might not have been his best version, but definitely better than 13 where he already pushed Murray to 5. The idea of Ferrer beating 06 Fed is laughable anyways.
The Sinner
Semi-Pro
In 2008 he had mono, so highly doubt he’d win AO in 2015. Also, unlikely he’d beat Wawa in the RG final that same year.
Trying to be conservative. 06 fed was up and down but Stan was his pigeon on HCs so he should win.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
not that high on 2004 Wimbledon Fed?
Phoenix*
Professional
Federer fans should screenshot this.
Nadal fans too - he's extremely consistent at being 2nd.
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Devin
Semi-Pro
If he's taking Djokovic's place, he has to go through peak Stan. Question is whether he can do it in that inconsistent form. Stan was dangerous that tournament, but Federer's matchup advantage that takes time away from Stan might help him.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Stan has never beaten Fed on HC or outside clay in general. Fed beat him at IW shortly after the AO 13 and this was one of Fed's weakest years and as you say one of Stan's peak years. Fed also went 3-0 against Stan in 2014. Inconsistent or not, 2006 Fed was still peak Fed and way better than his 2013 self. Sorry but I can't see Stan winning this.
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Devin
Semi-Pro
Yeah he was inconsistent. Then again, he only has to win three sets and when he was on, he was dishing out bagels and breadsticks left and right. He probably has enough to win 3 sets even against a GOATing Stan, although it would probably be tight.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
14/15.
Phoenix*
Professional
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Hypothetical Fed wins more.
Real life Fed wins about the same.
Real life Fed wins about the same.
SecondToNone
Semi-Pro
ghostofMecir
Legend
Stan’s worst matchup was vs. Fedr and Rafito. There were just too many weaknesses in Stan Wawrinka’s game to reliably say that he would win a match versus a peak Federer. They played 26 times and Wawrinka was at a .90 or greater dominance ratio only 5 times, above .85 only 7 times. 14 times Wawrinka had a Dominace ratio of .76 or lower, i.e., got dominated.
16 times they played, Wawa broke 1 or 0 times (6 times zero times),
24 times they played, Fedr broke Wawa 2+ times, 17 times he broke 3+ times.
What you say is true that he only has to win three sets, the matchup itself doesn’t lend me to believe that he’d ever be able to do it against Peak Federer.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Stan's overall H2H of 12-63 against the Big3 is ridiculously bad. If it wasn't that half of his 12 wins were at slams, that would really be a bad joke for a player of his calibre.
ghostofMecir
Legend
Even these numbers downplay how much he struggled with the big three due to the deficiencies in his game. He has only 4 matches in which he won the dominance ratio in slams vs. them. He got quite fortunate in some of those matches.
Of course, he has to be commended that somebody who didn’t really have what ostensibly seems a level to challenge these guys he did wind up rising up to the occasion where he played above himself, especially RG 2015.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
It does help that Stan is an extremely clutch player in big matches.
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