I put lipstick on my Pig!!! (And I love it too!!!)

shamaho

Professional
STRINGING UPDATE with MODIFIED SHIMS

Modified shims = Appied to the block's wings underneath the base and turntable.

a) the whole thing seems to work smoothly - YAAY!

b) the base clamp seems to make the string clamps stand higher than before by few mm
c) due to b) the automatic release on string clamp doesn't quite work as expected because the drop is too small
d) otoh, the automatic release can easily be attained in one gesture by pushing the string clamp down on releasing it - just a gente push - and the whole bit can become one fast and smooth gesture.

e) some sideways draw :
I noticed that on stringuing mains, when the swivel portion of the base clamp is not aligned with the axis of the rails, after releasing tension from the DW arm (ie. push arm back up), the clamp (6 teeth) seems to draw sideways a bit - that did not happen as much with old clamps. when there is alignment there is no side draw. I have no idea it its related to the shims or not...

f) there is no movement of the base clamp under tension

CONCLUSION:
As it stands now, the new base clamp is an absolute joy to use when compared to the old ones (see original clamp images from @dak95_00 in initial posts).
The whole stringing experience is much smoother, where before, locking the base was a constant game of guessing how much pressure was enough, then exerting a bit of effort each time, clampling and unclamping the base, now is a flick of a switch and press of a button.... pure JOY !!

If you have an older machine with basic base clamps such as ones described by the OP, and you have ALL the required measures on your base plate, than these clamp can be quite an upgrade !! though I'd try to look for ones with better design/construction quality such as the ones shown by @Wes on his video reply -where FACS adjustment is so easy and acessible, unlike on mine!
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
LOL! most excellent idea! I'll be taking suggestions...

But yeah, a temperamental and high maintenance female character will be an apt name !
Sounds like a real "Karen" to me. :whistle:

Err..umm... I mean "Karen 2.0". :p
 
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shamaho

Professional
Feel free to ignore this post.

After all this effort to get the machine functional again, I would think it would behoove you to NAME your machine. First, decide if it is MALE or FEMALE. At the risk of offending the other sex, I would suggest FEMALE. :unsure: Now to pick a name. Who does the new version of this machine remind you of? Maybe a temperamental Italian female like Monica Belluci? :happydevil: And of course to avoid defamation, it needs a suffix. Monica 2.0.

I got it !!! Miss Piggy !!
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
So a handful of weeks ago you guys talked me out of buying a Neos 1500 for $900. That would be my ideal machine if it had gravity release base clamps. I already have a Wise TH. I prefer the 2 point over the 6 point mount.

I currently have a Neos 1000 and a cheap, half broken 6 point Eagnas. The Neos glide bars have been annoying me because I couldn’t get them adjusted to slide smoothly so I went back to the Eagnas. The string clamps are actually pretty decent but the base clamps are friction or cone lock and stink.

I had some money and decided to take a chance on the auction site on some new gravity release base clamps. They came today and work excellent. It was super easy to uninstall the old and install the new. I just strung a racquet and my thumbs and fingers love these things. I should’ve done this a long time ago. I probably also should’ve paid a little more and bought them from New Tech.

Here’s a picture.
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I put my machine on that same Harbor Freight service cart!!! Sweet!!! :)
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
I should provide an update. One of my clamps was not performing as it did at first. Neither released too quickly upon falling. This weekend I attempted to take one apart and really couldn’t. I didn’t want to screw anything up so I didn’t press my luck.

So instead I used the lubricant that @graycrait recommended for use on my NEOS glide bars on the clamp that was sticking. This made a huge difference. It’s now locking and unlocking faster. This purchase was definitely worth it for me. I recommend lubricating the spring to get quicker action.
 

j1mster

New User
So a handful of weeks ago you guys talked me out of buying a Neos 1500 for $900. That would be my ideal machine if it had gravity release base clamps. I already have a Wise TH. I prefer the 2 point over the 6 point mount.

I currently have a Neos 1000 and a cheap, half broken 6 point Eagnas. The Neos glide bars have been annoying me because I couldn’t get them adjusted to slide smoothly so I went back to the Eagnas. The string clamps are actually pretty decent but the base clamps are friction or cone lock and stink.

I had some money and decided to take a chance on the auction site on some new gravity release base clamps. They came today and work excellent. It was super easy to uninstall the old and install the new. I just strung a racquet and my thumbs and fingers love these things. I should’ve done this a long time ago. I probably also should’ve paid a little more and bought them from New Tech.

Here’s a picture.
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where do u get those 3 teeth clamps?
 

Jor3lBR

New User
Absolutely true! I got these same base clamps 2 years ago (from Aliexpress) for my Gamma Progression ST II. Stringing more than 2 rackets a day used to make my hands very sore but these base clamps are effortless.

bare with a new stringer here, but aren’t you supposed to release the base clamp first and then unlock the clamp?

how are you supposed to do that with a gravity release clamp?
 
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dhnels

New User
bare with a new stringer here, but aren’t you supposed to release the base clamp first and then unlock the clamp?

how are you supposed to do that with a gravity release clamp?
Press the release button. I don't use the gravity release feature, but those who do claim it's safe to use on all but the last string that gets tied off.
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
The Neos glide bars are easy to adjust. There are screws on the base of the glide bars you can loose and then adjust the width and then re-tighten. Make sure to lightly lubricate the rail/feet of the glide bars.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
bare with a new stringer here, but aren’t you supposed to release the base clamp first and then unlock the clamp?

how are you supposed to do that with a gravity release clamp?


You may want to read this complete thread...
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
The Neos glide bars are easy to adjust. There are screws on the base of the glide bars you can loose and then adjust the width and then re-tighten. Make sure to lightly lubricate the rail/feet of the glide bars.

Yes I’ve adjusted them and lubricated them with a lubricant @graycrait suggested a long time ago. I’ve been using the “pig” exclusively for these last few years without issue.

@dhnels and @Wes
I don’t see the difference between releasing glide bar clamps and gravity release clamps. Don’t both release at the string first? I’ve been at this a long time without an issue. I’ve never heard of the Ektelon machines causing issues. I believe this is one of those faux, faux pas.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I don’t see the difference between releasing glide bar clamps and gravity release clamps. Don’t both release at the string first?
If you have gravity release bases releasing the base does not release the clamp at all. If you release the clamp first and let it fall it will release the base.
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
If you have gravity release bases releasing the base does not release the clamp at all. If you release the clamp first and let it fall it will release the base.

Yes. Exactly how they work. The same concept is true with glide bars. If you hav glide bars, you cannot release the base of the clamp first. You must release from the string which also allows the base of the clamp to slide freely along the glide bar. If we rub our two brain cells together we can see that glide bars and gravity release base clamps are using the same concept which is releasing from the string also releases the base.

The question from another was is this bad. I cannot see why this is bad. Having said this last statement, typing it in a sentence, and having been a member of TalkTennis for many years, I know some great scientific nonsense is about to be unleashed. While I believe in climate change and the efficacy of vaccines, I’m not a believer in the string damage theory that’ll surely highjack this thread.
 

ryushen21

Legend
Well, this is interesting. I'm about to put the gravity release bases, new clamps, and a wise on my Alpha Axis Pro.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Well, this is interesting. I'm about to put the gravity release bases, new clamps, and a wise on my Alpha Axis Pro.


@ryushen21,
How much (total) are the gravity bases and new string clamps going to cost you?

If I was in your shoes, I would likely sell off the Axis Pro... then purchase an Apex Speed... and then add the Wise to that.

This would get you the gravity release bases, new string clamps (new everything, for that matter), faster mounting/unmounting (single knobs articulate the side/shoulder supports), and the newer "V" (or "C") shaped side/shoulder supports (rather than the older "L" shaped side supports that your Axis Pro likely has).

Just something you might want to consider. ;)

For any future readers, who may be considering purchasing the Axis Pro... the Apex Speed is (as of this writing) just $200 more ($1099 vs. $899).
At those two price points, you're getting several much nicer features, on the Apex Speed, for only $200 more.
IMO, that's a no-brainer.
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
@ryushen21,
How much (total) are the gravity bases and new string clamps going to cost you?

If I was in your shoes, I would likely sell off the Axis Pro... then purchase an Apex Speed... and then add the Wise to that.

This would get you the gravity release bases, new string clamps (new everything, for that matter), faster mounting/unmounting (single knobs articulate the side/shoulder supports), and the newer "V" (or "C") shaped side/shoulder supports (rather than the older "L" shaped side supports that your Axis Pro likely has).

Just something you might want to consider. ;)

For any future readers, who may be considering purchasing the Axis Pro... the Apex Speed is (as of this writing) just $200 more ($1099 vs. $899).
At those two price points, you're getting several much nicer features, on the Apex Speed, for only $200 more.
IMO, that's a no-brainer.
Where are you finding those prices? I’m seeing $1299 vs $1049.
 

ryushen21

Legend
@ryushen21,
How much (total) are the gravity bases and new string clamps going to cost you?

If I was in your shoes, I would likely sell off the Axis Pro... then purchase an Apex Speed... and then add the Wise to that.

This would get you the gravity release bases, new string clamps (new everything, for that matter), faster mounting/unmounting (single knobs articulate the side/shoulder supports), and the newer "V" (or "C") shaped side/shoulder supports (rather than the older "L" shaped side supports that your Axis Pro likely has).

Just something you might want to consider. ;)

For any future readers, who may be considering purchasing the Axis Pro... the Apex Speed is (as of this writing) just $200 more ($1099 vs. $899).
At those two price points, you're getting several much nicer features, on the Apex Speed, for only $200 more.
IMO, that's a no-brainer.
It's a school-owned stringer, so selling is not as easy since I have a lot of red tape to go through. I am able to do the upgrades at no cost to myself or my program thanks to some special budget allocations.

For sure, I would have gone a different route had it been a personal purchase.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
It's a school-owned stringer, so selling is not as easy since I have a lot of red tape to go through. I am able to do the upgrades at no cost to myself or my program thanks to some special budget allocations.

For sure, I would have gone a different route had it been a personal purchase.

Yeah, that makes sense, and I can understand being stuck between a rock & a hard place (red tape).

However, you didn't say anything about this actually being a school's machine.
In fact, you actually used the possessive "my"...
Well, this is interesting. I'm about to put the gravity release bases, new clamps, and a wise on my Alpha Axis Pro.
 

ryushen21

Legend
Yeah, that makes sense, and I can understand being stuck between a rock & a hard place (red tape).

However, you didn't say anything about this actually being a school's machine.
In fact, you actually used the possessive "my"...
We can play the semantics game if you want. I'm the one who fought to get it and I'm the only person who uses it and maintains it. So yes, while I may not be the owner of the machine, it is, in every other sense, mine.
 
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Wes

Hall of Fame
Where are you located? I'm in the US...

I'm in the U.S. too. Hmmm... I guess you forgot that you sold/shipped a racquet to me - just one state away. :giggle:

...and in dollars they’re $1299 and $1049. Either way, that’s still a good deal on top stringers and have to agree that the Speed with the better base clamps is a no brainer.

Those prices are in U.S. dollars, and BTW those two links are to an Alpha website (notice that the contact info./number/fax are the same).
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
I'm in the U.S. too. Hmmm... I guess you forgot that you sold/shipped a racquet to me - just one state away. :giggle:



Those prices are in U.S. dollars, and BTW those two links are to an Alpha website (notice that the contact info./number/fax are the same).

I’m very forgetful. I wish I could send a screenshot. All I see is $1299 and $1049 for those machines whether I go to NewTechtennis.com or I look on the links. Maybe they know me. I’ll look again later from my computer and see what it says. This is so weird to me. My arm could be twisted to but the Speed for $1099. Yes. That extra $200 might break the bank.

Who am I kidding. I’m not buying another stringer but I’m intrigued by this price snafu/controversy.

I may breakdown and email the famous Mark.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Who am I kidding. I’m not buying another stringer but I’m intrigued by this price snafu/controversy.

Occam's razor.
My speculation... (like everyone else) they've likely raised their prices, but (as of yet) have not changed those prices on the site which I provided links to. (y)


I may breakdown and email the famous Mark.

Well... if you bring it to Mark's attention, they will very likely go change the prices on that site. :cry:
Then, if that happens, they wouldn't be obligated to honor the lower pricing. :(
 

esm

Legend
Where are you located? I’m in the US and in dollars they’re $1299 and $1049. Either way, that’s still a good deal on top stringers and have to agree that the Speed with the better base clamps is a no brainer.
I see 1049 and 1299 too.
does it matter if one is a “member/trader account holder” of this site to see a lower cost/price? Just wondering. (I accessed the site from the UK, if that makes any difference)
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
I see 1049 and 1299 too.
does it matter if one is a “member/trader account holder” of this site to see a lower cost/price? Just wondering. (I accessed the site from the UK, if that makes any difference)

Did you click on the direct link that I provided in post #122?
Those links take you directly to the site that I'm referring to (which, as of 2 minutes ago, still has the $899 & $1099 pricing).
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Did you click on the direct link that I provided in post #122?
Those links take you directly to the site that I'm referring to (which, as of 2 minutes ago, still has the $899 & $1099 pricing).
I clicked on the links and the prices are $1,049 and $1,299.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
I clicked on the links and the prices are $1,049 and $1,299.

Maybe you're using a phone, or tablet. :unsure:

I'm using a PC and (as of 1 minute ago) those direct links still display the $899/$1099 pricing.

I have no other reasonable explanation (I'm no tech wiz).

It really doesn't even particularly matter... unless someone out there is considering actually pulling the trigger on one of the machines - very soon.
 

esm

Legend
Did you click on the direct link that I provided in post #122?
Those links take you directly to the site that I'm referring to (which, as of 2 minutes ago, still has the $899 & $1099 pricing).
Yes from post 122.
I checked on the phone but that shouldn’t matter…..
 

Dags

Hall of Fame
Maybe you're using a phone, or tablet. :unsure:

I'm using a PC and (as of 1 minute ago) those direct links still display the $899/$1099 pricing.

I have no other reasonable explanation (I'm no tech wiz).

It really doesn't even particularly matter... unless someone out there is considering actually pulling the trigger on one of the machines - very soon.
I've also clicked on your links from the UK. You're the anomaly here, Wes. Three potentials spring to mind:

1. You're recognised as a trade customer
2. You live in one of those US states where tax is treated differently
3. There's some bizarre error. In which case you can set up a buying and selling operation to make a tidy profit.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I've also clicked on your links from the UK. You're the anomaly here, Wes. Three potentials spring to mind:

1. You're recognised as a trade customer
2. You live in one of those US states where tax is treated differently
3. There's some bizarre error. In which case you can set up a buying and selling operation to make a tidy profit.
Could also be he is loading outdated page from old cache.
 
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