Curious
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Which one is it? Rick Macci’s?! I’ve watched all his videos. Didn’t help.Have you streamed Game of Thrones? Great ... except last season.
I've finally found my forehand
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ByeByePoly
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You have a bad case mate ... take two aspirin and call me in the morning.
How do you sign off from this internet thing? Fricken technology.
Shroud
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were you coked up? Like that is the only way to watch those vids.
Curious
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Skipping parts as needed.
onehandbh
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Focus on the largest body parts/muscles (torso/shoulder turn/legs) and relax everything else.
Dragy
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Actually, I think some of them are not that bad, and there's flip, and maybe mishitting is bigger issue:
More pronounced flip will appear with a bit looser wrist and more energetic torso rotation, just as always. You align it well, just remember those guys saying "it all just happens naturally" - you have all components to just listen to them and let the stroke settle in by itself.
Why your racquet head tends to fall back? IMHO, you try to put your racquet all the way back like Stan, but don't lead with the elbow like he does - remember you like the "elbow the enemy" concept, don't you? I suppose, you either lead with the elbow taking the racquet all the way back, or you drop RH much closer behind the ball, to the side (like abbreviated serve return takeback).
Oh, look, a brilliant idea: try to take the racquet back as if you were setting up for a serve, Kirgios style
serve takeback, then FH drop and forward swing...
Curious
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I’d noticed the elbow issue. But the main thing seems to be the forearm falling into supination at the end of take back. That automatically brings the racket behind my forearm.Actually, I think some of them are not that bad, and there's flip, and maybe mishitting is bigger issue:
More pronounced flip will appear with a bit looser wrist and more energetic torso rotation, just as always. You align it well, just remember those guys saying "it all just happens naturally" - you have all components to just listen to them and let the stroke settle in by itself.
Why your racquet head tends to fall back? IMHO, you try to put your racquet all the way back like Stan, but don't lead with the elbow like he does - remember you like the "elbow the enemy" concept, don't you? I suppose, you either lead with the elbow taking the racquet all the way back, or you drop RH much closer behind the ball, to the side (like abbreviated serve return takeback).
Oh, look, a brilliant idea: try to take the racquet back as if you were setting up for a serve, Kirgios style
Dragy
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If you lead with the elbow, supinating will be unnatural until you actually start the drop.
Curious
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Yes, exactly.Just imagine you had extreme SW grip here, no supinating, is it?
Curious
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That’s spot on!
mxmx
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Thank goodness he's not emulating Nadal.
Curious
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Already done. Best take back for a whippy swing but too fragmented for me.
FiReFTW
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He already did like a year ago haha
The good (or bad depending) news for him is that he goes through pro forehands quite fast so he is bound to run out of players to copy.
Curious
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Leading the take back with the elbow will fix everything, I'm positive this time. All the ugliness and failure in my forehand come from my elbow being too tucked in, stuck to my ribs. Thanks @Dragy ( also need to extend the swing forward ).He already did like a year ago haha
The good (or bad depending) news for him is that he goes through pro forehands quite fast so he is bound to run out of players to copy.
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ByeByePoly
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and ... scene
golden chicken
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Minutiae.
Shankmeister-Chubs
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Oh my gosh, I'm going through the same issues, although I certainly can't compare my game to yours! I habitually have a big take back with an open face. Seriously considering learning to let go and embrace what my body wants to do like you're saying!
golden chicken
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Have you identified the style of takeback that allows you to hit the ball the best? I thought you had about a week ago.
My point being that there are many different styles of takeback among even the top forehands in the game. Therefore, the style of takeback is mostly irrelevant to the shot produced.
In other words, you should accept your idiosyncrasies in favor of results. If you hit best with a forehand that looks more like Serena's forehand than Federer's, then you should hit with Serena's forehand.
Or, as Chas often points out, it is more important to look at the parts of players' high level techniques that are common to all, rather than the parts that are not shared among them.
"Absorb what is useful. Discard what is not. Add what is essentially your own."
"Always be yourself. Express yourself. Have faith in yourself. Do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it."
--Bruce Lee
Curious
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Well, if 99% of good players have much more space between elbow and torso than I do, of course I’ll pay attention to that.
Curious
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Another failed attempt at hitting compact ATP forehands. ( @Rubens , sorry to annoy you mate! ).
@Dragy , I tried to have a larger gap between elbow and torso but my hand still goes too far back and the bloody supination at the end of take back is still there. Maybe I should lift the elbow up even more. I'm not giving this sh1t up!
).@Dragy , I tried to have a larger gap between elbow and torso but my hand still goes too far back and the bloody supination at the end of take back is still there. Maybe I should lift the elbow up even more. I'm not giving this sh1t up!
Rubens
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(Rubens, sorry to annoy you mate!
Nah, I know you're not doing it _just_ to copy roger. You have a real passion for the technique of the game. That's different.
Curious
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Yup, moved on from Roger a while ago
.Anything else that’s compact would do. Doesn’t matter whether Djoker, Wawrinka, Haas, Safin...
Elbow up, racket always on hitting side. That’s all I want, man.
Rubens
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Yup, moved on from Roger a while ago
Anything else that’s compact would do. Doesn’t matter whether Djoker, Wawrinka, Haas, Safin...
Elbow up, racket always on hitting side. That’s all I want, man.
Good. If you like compact, consider extreme cases like Tipsarevic. A good example is in this video:
I love this technique and it's the one I've been trying to apply to my FH. Racquet does most of the work, so to speak. The arc of the arm motion is so compact. Good for return of serve as well.
Curious
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Absolutely. That’s fantastic!
I’d just taken this video to show what exactly I want before seeing that video. Seems like Tipsarevic’s is even more compact. Love it.
ByeByePoly
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I posted this in the animal thread ... I bet your cat is thinking something similar ... "pick a FH already ... you are making me nervous".
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Dragy
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Those cockatoos’ swings look smooth!Another failed attempt at hitting compact ATP forehands. ( @Rubens , sorry to annoy you mate!
@Dragy , I tried to have a larger gap between elbow and torso but my hand still goes too far back and the bloody supination at the end of take back is still there. Maybe I should lift the elbow up even more. I'm not giving this sh1t up!
Curious
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Yep, them bastards make it look so easy and effortless.
Dragy
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Well if you continue working with elbow thing, you should know you are not actually leading with it - unless not in those points placed. You still get your racquet head back, while the elbow points mostly down. Forget RH until maybe coming to contact. Try to touch imaginary wall with your elbow, and that’s the end of takeback - only racquet drop from that point.
PS it’s not just spacing, to me, Rafa creates little space taking back, but still leads with his low elbow...
Curious
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You’re right, unfortunately! I also noticed It’s possible even without high elbow. I’m so puzzled why I can’t do it.
Dragy
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Well it’s what works for most. Until you exaggerate you tend to slip back to habits. Little chance to just switch to doing it like ... (put in favorite model player).
Curious
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Got an idea.
I’ll put a rope or similar between my neck and right wrist that will limit the range of motion. Why are you laughing?!
golden chicken
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Stand with your back to the curtain. If you hit the curtain with your racket...
Curious
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Sounds like a good progression drill.
Happi
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11yo and a great forehand
Curious
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Wow! Nice.Hit With Me Tennis by Samuel Begg on Instagram: "Another practice feat. ⭐️ 11 year-old @ksenia.efremova.tennis Follow us @HITWITHME for more tennis! (@ksenia.efremova.tennis) #tennis #tennisplayer #tenniscourt #tennislife #tennistraining #tennis
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11yo and a great forehand
Very Soderling.
pencilcheck
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Very consistent, that's usually woman tennis, they are usually playing flat, and angle tennis.
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