Meowmix's Guide to Less Arm Pain

meowmix

Hall of Fame
So You Have Tennis Elbow?

Tennis elbow, commonly shorted to TE, has been a plague that has beset the tennis nation more and more. Increasing numbers of players complain of this pain that seems to come from around the elbow. “It hurts,” says one. “After I play tennis, I need copious amounts of ice,” complains another. What can you do?

First of all, if you've been having serious pain for any serious length of time (one week or more), stop and put away your rackets. Playing while injured in ANY sport is not a good thing. Tennis is no different. If you've been suffering from tennis elbow consistently, STOP. Let your arm heal. The only way to do that is to STOP HITTING. It's not pleasant and you may miss the sport, but do your arm and your body a favor. Take a month long break.

Fact of the matter is, technique is the NUMBER ONE CONTRIBUTOR to tennis elbow. If you have shoddy technique, you are a very likely candidate for tennis elbow. Stopping the racket mid swing, not swinging out, hitting too close to the body, arming the ball, etc are all indicative of poor technique that can lead to arm pain. After taking a break, see the nearest pro and have them critique your technique.

So now you've been to your local pro and he tells you that your technique is fine. After giving you a pointer or two on how to better hit that pesky inside out forehand approach into the corner, you come onto the court the following day... and continue to have arm pain! The next things for you to look at are your strings. Are you using polyester strings? Are you using kevlar strings? If the answer is YES to either of these, get rid of them! Polyester and kevlar strings are stiff and a major contributor to tennis elbow. If you absolutely INSIST on keeping polyester in your frame (and you really shouldn't), then switch to an arm friendly polyester. Something like Pro Supex Big Ace, Genesis Black Magic, Polystar Energy, etc. A much better and more arm friendly option is to switch to either a synthetic gut (if your wallet has been taking a pounding), a multifilament, or a natural gut (if you care to splurge). These much softer options are far more arm friendly. The best string if you have tennis elbow is natural gut. Natural gut is the most comfortable, the least stiff, the absolutely best string for anybody suffering from arm pain. If you can't afford a full bed of natural gut, consider a hybrid of natural gut and synthetic gut. The natural gut in the mains will contribute most of the feel and softness and arm friendliness of the gut, while the synthetic in the crosses sharply decreases the overall cost of the string bed.

Next, what tension are you stringing your strings at? If you're one of THOSE people that strings Luxilon Alu Rough at 75 pounds in your Pure Drive and wonders why your arm is in a sling... STOP! Unless you have arms of steel, do not string Luxilon in the 70's! The lower the tension, the better off your arm is. Lower tensions absorb more of the impact from the ball hitting the strings, and less power/shock is transferred to your arm. A good starting point for anybody suffering from mild arm pain/discomfort is to lower your tension by 3 pounds. If that's not enough, try lowering 2 more pounds. If that's still not enough, then you need to switch strings.

Grip size is rarely mentioned as a contributor to tennis elbow, but it is a contributor nevertheless. Try to avoid playing with anything too small, as the twisting of the racket in your hands doesn't make your arm happy. Playing with something too small may strain your hand too much and you may not be able to hold onto the racket properly, again damaging your elbow. Don't be stupid and try to emulate the pros with their smaller grip sizes. They're pros and they're able to generate massive amounts of speed that makes the twisting of the racket much less of an issue. Unless you can generate headspeed like Nadal, don't imitate him by using an overly small grip.

Next on the chopping block is your racket. There are some rackets that are simply *******s. That's not to say that they're not great rackets for some people. However, rackets that are overly stiff and overly light kill the arms. Light rackets aren't good for the simple reason that the lighter the racket, the greater the impulse that is transmitted to your arm. Brining elementary physics into the picture, the momentum of the ball has to go somewhere. That “somewhere” is dependent upon mass. If you've got a feather for a racket, then virtually all of that momentum goes straight up your arm. Stiff rackets are likewise horrible for your arm. The stiffer a racket, the greater the shock that is transmitted through the racket into your arm. The more flexible, the less. Thus, rackets that extremely light and extremely stiff should be avoided at all costs. Other rackets that are often cited for causing arm problems include the Babolat Pure Drive, Babolat Aero Pro Drives, Head Extremes, Wilson 6.1 95's, and others. If you've made sure your technique is good, your strings are soft, your tension is low and your grip size is right for you and you're STILL having arm pain, it's time to switch. Switch to something that's flexible, and preferably somewhat hefty. Good advice with regards to weight is to use something that's as heavy as you can handle. Prokennex makes excellent rackets that are extremely arm friendly. Find something that catches your eye and try it out! Another racket/family of rackets that is very arm friendly is the V1 line by Volkl/Becker. Both the MP and OS versions are excellent arm friendly rackets that provide some nice oomph.

Tennis elbow is something that's extremely unpleasant. It's also something that doesn't necessarily reflect the immediate. If you used to play with something extremely stiff a few months ago but then switched, pain might not manifest for a few months. Keep this in mind when your arm starts to hurt. Take a while off, and then find what exactly it is that is causing you arm pain.
 
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tsongaali

Semi-Pro
So You Have Tennis Elbow?

Tennis elbow, commonly shorted to TE, has been a plague that has beset the tennis nation more and more. Increasing numbers of players complain of this pain that seems to come from around the elbow. “It hurts,” says one. “After I play tennis, I need copious amounts of ice,” complains another. What can you do?

First of all, if you've been having serious pain for any serious length of time (one week or more), stop and put away your rackets. Playing while injured in ANY sport is not a good thing. Tennis is no different. If you've been suffering from tennis elbow consistently, STOP. Let your arm heal. The only way to do that is to STOP HITTING. It's not pleasant and you may miss the sport, but do your arm and your body a favor. Take a month long break.

Fact of the matter is, technique is the NUMBER ONE CONTRIBUTOR to tennis elbow. If you have shoddy technique, you are a very likely candidate for tennis elbow. Stopping the racket mid swing, not swinging out, hitting too close to the body, arming the ball, etc are all indicative of poor technique that can lead to arm pain. After taking a break, see the nearest pro and have them critique your technique.

So now you've been to your local pro and he tells you that your technique is fine. After giving you a pointer or two on how to better hit that pesky inside out forehand approach into the corner, you come onto the court the following day... and continue to have arm pain! The next things for you to look at are your strings. Are you using polyester strings? Are you using kevlar strings? If the answer is YES to either of these, get rid of them! Polyester and kevlar strings are stiff and a major contributor to tennis elbow. If you absolutely INSIST on keeping polyester in your frame (and you really shouldn't), then switch to an arm friendly polyester. Something like Babolat Pro Hurricane, Pro Supex Big Ace, Genesis Black Magic, etc. A much better and more arm friendly option is to switch to either a synthetic gut (if your wallet has been taking a pounding), a multifilament, or a natural gut (if you care to splurge). These much softer options are far more arm friendly. The best string if you have tennis elbow is natural gut. Natural gut is the most comfortable, the least stiff, the absolutely best string for anybody suffering from arm pain. If you can't afford a full bed of natural gut, consider a hybrid of natural gut and synthetic gut. The natural gut in the mains will contribute most of the feel and softness and arm friendliness of the gut, while the synthetic in the crosses sharply decreases the overall cost of the string bed.

Next, what tension are you stringing your strings at? If you're one of THOSE people that strings Luxilon Alu Rough at 75 pounds in your Pure Drive and wonders why your arm is in a sling... STOP! Unless you have arms of steel, do not string Luxilon in the 70's! The lower the tension, the better off your arm is. Lower tensions absorb more of the impact from the ball hitting the strings, and less power/shock is transferred to your arm. A good starting point for anybody suffering from mild arm pain/discomfort is to lower your tension by 3 pounds. If that's not enough, try lowering 2 more pounds. If that's still not enough, then you need to switch strings.

Grip size is rarely mentioned as a contributor to tennis elbow, but it is a contributor nevertheless. Try to avoid playing with anything too small, as the twisting of the racket in your hands doesn't make your arm happy. Playing with something too small may strain your hand too much and you may not be able to hold onto the racket properly, again damaging your elbow. Don't be stupid and try to emulate the pros with their smaller grip sizes. They're pros and they're able to generate massive amounts of speed that makes the twisting of the racket much less of an issue. Unless you can generate headspeed like Nadal, don't imitate him by using an overly small grip.

Next on the chopping block is your racket. There are some rackets that are simply ******s. That's not to say that they're not great rackets for some people. However, rackets that are overly stiff and overly light kill the arms. Light rackets aren't good for the simple reason that the lighter the racket, the greater the impulse that is transmitted to your arm. Brining elementary physics into the picture, the momentum of the ball has to go somewhere. That “somewhere” is dependent upon mass. If you've got a feather for a racket, then virtually all of that momentum goes straight up your arm. Stiff rackets are likewise horrible for your arm. The stiffer a racket, the greater the shock that is transmitted through the racket into your arm. The more flexible, the less. Thus, rackets that extremely light and extremely stiff should be avoided at all costs. Other rackets that are often cited for causing arm problems include the Babolat Pure Drive, Babolat Aero Pro Drives, Head Extremes, Wilson 6.1 95's, and others. If you've made sure your technique is good, your strings are soft, your tension is low and your grip size is right for you and you're STILL having arm pain, it's time to switch. Switch to something that's flexible, and preferably somewhat hefty. Good advice with regards to weight is to use something that's as heavy as you can handle. Prokennex makes excellent rackets that are extremely arm friendly. Find something that catches your eye and try it out! Another racket/family of rackets that is very arm friendly is the V1 line by Volkl/Becker. Both the MP and OS versions are excellent arm friendly rackets that provide some nice oomph.

Tennis elbow is something that's extremely unpleasant. It's also something that doesn't necessarily reflect the immediate. If you used to play with something extremely stiff a few months ago but then switched, pain might not manifest for a few months. Keep this in mind when your arm starts to hurt. Take a while off, and then find what exactly it is that is causing you arm pain.

Good guide, but babolat pro hurricane is extremely stiff, nowhere near the stiffness number on the usrsa website. The most arm-friendly poly, imo, is polystar energy due to its high elasticity.

As for the rest of the guide, it pretty much covers all the basics. Good job, sticky now!
 

sstchur

Hall of Fame
A lot of older Yonex frames (RDX 500, and some others I'm not remembering), a number of Gamma frames (T-7, G325), and most Fischer frames all have pretty low flex ratings, and are generally considered pretty arm friendly.

I definitely agree about the grip size thing. I don't get why everyone is so into tiny grips these days. Use the right grip size for you -- who gives a poop what grip size Nadal (or any other pro uses)? If you want to pretend you are your favorite pro, fine, go for it. But at least use the right grip size!
 

marosmith

Professional
I would say light rackets that aren't headlight are tied as the biggest cause for tennis elbow with stiff rackets, then string tension, then string stiffness next up. (poly at 30 lbs. isn't bad).
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
MM... Good basic primer for TE information, but you may want to request that it be moved to the Health & Fitness forum.
 
1. Correct technique - long swing, don't 'muscle' the ball with your arm. Use the arc of your swing.

2. Heavier, less stiff racquet.

3. No poly

Some injuries are just down to age and overuse though. I've played predominately with poly for the last 4 or 5 years, about 10 hours and week, and started getting tedoninitis on the inside of my elbow last year.
 

tjwalker097

New User
So You Have Tennis Elbow?

Tennis elbow, commonly shorted to TE, has been a plague that has beset the tennis nation more and more. Increasing numbers of players complain of this pain that seems to come from around the elbow. “It hurts,” says one. “After I play tennis, I need copious amounts of ice,” complains another. What can you do?

First of all, if you've been having serious pain for any serious length of time (one week or more), stop and put away your rackets. Playing while injured in ANY sport is not a good thing. Tennis is no different. If you've been suffering from tennis elbow consistently, STOP. Let your arm heal. The only way to do that is to STOP HITTING. It's not pleasant and you may miss the sport, but do your arm and your body a favor. Take a month long break.

Fact of the matter is, technique is the NUMBER ONE CONTRIBUTOR to tennis elbow. If you have shoddy technique, you are a very likely candidate for tennis elbow. Stopping the racket mid swing, not swinging out, hitting too close to the body, arming the ball, etc are all indicative of poor technique that can lead to arm pain. After taking a break, see the nearest pro and have them critique your technique.

So now you've been to your local pro and he tells you that your technique is fine. After giving you a pointer or two on how to better hit that pesky inside out forehand approach into the corner, you come onto the court the following day... and continue to have arm pain! The next things for you to look at are your strings. Are you using polyester strings? Are you using kevlar strings? If the answer is YES to either of these, get rid of them! Polyester and kevlar strings are stiff and a major contributor to tennis elbow. If you absolutely INSIST on keeping polyester in your frame (and you really shouldn't), then switch to an arm friendly polyester. Something like Babolat Pro Hurricane, Pro Supex Big Ace, Genesis Black Magic, etc. A much better and more arm friendly option is to switch to either a synthetic gut (if your wallet has been taking a pounding), a multifilament, or a natural gut (if you care to splurge). These much softer options are far more arm friendly. The best string if you have tennis elbow is natural gut. Natural gut is the most comfortable, the least stiff, the absolutely best string for anybody suffering from arm pain. If you can't afford a full bed of natural gut, consider a hybrid of natural gut and synthetic gut. The natural gut in the mains will contribute most of the feel and softness and arm friendliness of the gut, while the synthetic in the crosses sharply decreases the overall cost of the string bed.

Next, what tension are you stringing your strings at? If you're one of THOSE people that strings Luxilon Alu Rough at 75 pounds in your Pure Drive and wonders why your arm is in a sling... STOP! Unless you have arms of steel, do not string Luxilon in the 70's! The lower the tension, the better off your arm is. Lower tensions absorb more of the impact from the ball hitting the strings, and less power/shock is transferred to your arm. A good starting point for anybody suffering from mild arm pain/discomfort is to lower your tension by 3 pounds. If that's not enough, try lowering 2 more pounds. If that's still not enough, then you need to switch strings.

Grip size is rarely mentioned as a contributor to tennis elbow, but it is a contributor nevertheless. Try to avoid playing with anything too small, as the twisting of the racket in your hands doesn't make your arm happy. Playing with something too small may strain your hand too much and you may not be able to hold onto the racket properly, again damaging your elbow. Don't be stupid and try to emulate the pros with their smaller grip sizes. They're pros and they're able to generate massive amounts of speed that makes the twisting of the racket much less of an issue. Unless you can generate headspeed like Nadal, don't imitate him by using an overly small grip.

Next on the chopping block is your racket. There are some rackets that are simply ******s. That's not to say that they're not great rackets for some people. However, rackets that are overly stiff and overly light kill the arms. Light rackets aren't good for the simple reason that the lighter the racket, the greater the impulse that is transmitted to your arm. Brining elementary physics into the picture, the momentum of the ball has to go somewhere. That “somewhere” is dependent upon mass. If you've got a feather for a racket, then virtually all of that momentum goes straight up your arm. Stiff rackets are likewise horrible for your arm. The stiffer a racket, the greater the shock that is transmitted through the racket into your arm. The more flexible, the less. Thus, rackets that extremely light and extremely stiff should be avoided at all costs. Other rackets that are often cited for causing arm problems include the Babolat Pure Drive, Babolat Aero Pro Drives, Head Extremes, Wilson 6.1 95's, and others. If you've made sure your technique is good, your strings are soft, your tension is low and your grip size is right for you and you're STILL having arm pain, it's time to switch. Switch to something that's flexible, and preferably somewhat hefty. Good advice with regards to weight is to use something that's as heavy as you can handle. Prokennex makes excellent rackets that are extremely arm friendly. Find something that catches your eye and try it out! Another racket/family of rackets that is very arm friendly is the V1 line by Volkl/Becker. Both the MP and OS versions are excellent arm friendly rackets that provide some nice oomph.

Tennis elbow is something that's extremely unpleasant. It's also something that doesn't necessarily reflect the immediate. If you used to play with something extremely stiff a few months ago but then switched, pain might not manifest for a few months. Keep this in mind when your arm starts to hurt. Take a while off, and then find what exactly it is that is causing you arm pain.

What strings are you preferring for your personal use? Do you use any poly at all?
 

mikeler

Moderator
I'd add that Pro Supex Big Ace is a great string but in a hybrid was really irritating my Golfer's Elbow when I had it bad.
 
The information about grip size is misinterpreted here. Small grip size does not cause arm problems because the racquet twists. It causes problems because gripping something very small, regardless of whether it twists, strains the attachment of the muscle to the lateral epicondyle. In fact, a racquet that slips actually causes LESS problems for the arm because the slippage means less torque is transmitted to the arm.
 

bad_call

Legend
no problems with PS Big Ace for this player but then using a 12+ oz less stiff (<68 ) HL racquet allows a greater string selection.
 

old coach

Rookie
The information about grip size is misinterpreted here. Small grip size does not cause arm problems because the racquet twists. It causes problems because gripping something very small, regardless of whether it twists, strains the attachment of the muscle to the lateral epicondyle. In fact, a racquet that slips actually causes LESS problems for the arm because the slippage means less torque is transmitted to the arm.

You're right.
Nadal (most likely) started using #2 grip from the beginning. Never changed it. It never bothered him.
Different case when 16 y.o boy wants to make HS team and getting all the right equipment, but has no right shots. That's a killer.
 

nickarnold2000

Hall of Fame
1. Correct technique - long swing, don't 'muscle' the ball with your arm. Use the arc of your swing.

2. Heavier, less stiff racquet.

3. No poly

Some injuries are just down to age and overuse though. I've played predominately with poly for the last 4 or 5 years, about 10 hours and week, and started getting tedoninitis on the inside of my elbow last year.
Check this article out about muscling the ball:

http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/turbo_07_01.html
 
So You Have Tennis Elbow?

Tennis elbow, commonly shorted to TE, has been a plague that has beset the tennis nation more and more. Increasing numbers of players complain of this pain that seems to come from around the elbow. “It hurts,” says one. “After I play tennis, I need copious amounts of ice,” complains another. What can you do?

First of all, if you've been having serious pain for any serious length of time (one week or more), stop and put away your rackets. Playing while injured in ANY sport is not a good thing. Tennis is no different. If you've been suffering from tennis elbow consistently, STOP. Let your arm heal. The only way to do that is to STOP HITTING. It's not pleasant and you may miss the sport, but do your arm and your body a favor. Take a month long break.

Fact of the matter is, technique is the NUMBER ONE CONTRIBUTOR to tennis elbow. If you have shoddy technique, you are a very likely candidate for tennis elbow. Stopping the racket mid swing, not swinging out, hitting too close to the body, arming the ball, etc are all indicative of poor technique that can lead to arm pain. After taking a break, see the nearest pro and have them critique your technique.

So now you've been to your local pro and he tells you that your technique is fine. After giving you a pointer or two on how to better hit that pesky inside out forehand approach into the corner, you come onto the court the following day... and continue to have arm pain! The next things for you to look at are your strings. Are you using polyester strings? Are you using kevlar strings? If the answer is YES to either of these, get rid of them! Polyester and kevlar strings are stiff and a major contributor to tennis elbow. If you absolutely INSIST on keeping polyester in your frame (and you really shouldn't), then switch to an arm friendly polyester. Something like Babolat Pro Hurricane, Pro Supex Big Ace, Genesis Black Magic, etc. A much better and more arm friendly option is to switch to either a synthetic gut (if your wallet has been taking a pounding), a multifilament, or a natural gut (if you care to splurge). These much softer options are far more arm friendly. The best string if you have tennis elbow is natural gut. Natural gut is the most comfortable, the least stiff, the absolutely best string for anybody suffering from arm pain. If you can't afford a full bed of natural gut, consider a hybrid of natural gut and synthetic gut. The natural gut in the mains will contribute most of the feel and softness and arm friendliness of the gut, while the synthetic in the crosses sharply decreases the overall cost of the string bed.

Next, what tension are you stringing your strings at? If you're one of THOSE people that strings Luxilon Alu Rough at 75 pounds in your Pure Drive and wonders why your arm is in a sling... STOP! Unless you have arms of steel, do not string Luxilon in the 70's! The lower the tension, the better off your arm is. Lower tensions absorb more of the impact from the ball hitting the strings, and less power/shock is transferred to your arm. A good starting point for anybody suffering from mild arm pain/discomfort is to lower your tension by 3 pounds. If that's not enough, try lowering 2 more pounds. If that's still not enough, then you need to switch strings.

Grip size is rarely mentioned as a contributor to tennis elbow, but it is a contributor nevertheless. Try to avoid playing with anything too small, as the twisting of the racket in your hands doesn't make your arm happy. Playing with something too small may strain your hand too much and you may not be able to hold onto the racket properly, again damaging your elbow. Don't be stupid and try to emulate the pros with their smaller grip sizes. They're pros and they're able to generate massive amounts of speed that makes the twisting of the racket much less of an issue. Unless you can generate headspeed like Nadal, don't imitate him by using an overly small grip.

Next on the chopping block is your racket. There are some rackets that are simply ******s. That's not to say that they're not great rackets for some people. However, rackets that are overly stiff and overly light kill the arms. Light rackets aren't good for the simple reason that the lighter the racket, the greater the impulse that is transmitted to your arm. Brining elementary physics into the picture, the momentum of the ball has to go somewhere. That “somewhere” is dependent upon mass. If you've got a feather for a racket, then virtually all of that momentum goes straight up your arm. Stiff rackets are likewise horrible for your arm. The stiffer a racket, the greater the shock that is transmitted through the racket into your arm. The more flexible, the less. Thus, rackets that extremely light and extremely stiff should be avoided at all costs. Other rackets that are often cited for causing arm problems include the Babolat Pure Drive, Babolat Aero Pro Drives, Head Extremes, Wilson 6.1 95's, and others. If you've made sure your technique is good, your strings are soft, your tension is low and your grip size is right for you and you're STILL having arm pain, it's time to switch. Switch to something that's flexible, and preferably somewhat hefty. Good advice with regards to weight is to use something that's as heavy as you can handle. Prokennex makes excellent rackets that are extremely arm friendly. Find something that catches your eye and try it out! Another racket/family of rackets that is very arm friendly is the V1 line by Volkl/Becker. Both the MP and OS versions are excellent arm friendly rackets that provide some nice oomph.

Tennis elbow is something that's extremely unpleasant. It's also something that doesn't necessarily reflect the immediate. If you used to play with something extremely stiff a few months ago but then switched, pain might not manifest for a few months. Keep this in mind when your arm starts to hurt. Take a while off, and then find what exactly it is that is causing you arm pain.

Great advice. I would add that a player should also build up their forearm muscles by taking a rod, drilling a hole through it and tying a 5 lb weight at the end of a string that goes through that hole. Now, just roll up and down that weight. Do it for about 10 minutes a day.
 

Cruzer

Professional
.....If you absolutely INSIST on keeping polyester in your frame (and you really shouldn't), then switch to an arm friendly polyester. Something like Babolat Pro Hurricane, Pro Supex Big Ace, Genesis Black Magic, etc.....

If anyone with elbow problems insists on keeping polyester strings in their racquet they deserve to aggravate their sore elbow. I don't know why anyone would be so short-sighted to continue to use something that is causing injury to their body.
There are dozens of strings available and a tennis elbow sufferer can definitely find a non-polyester solution to help alleviate their elbow pain.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
I've read the entire long post but being new it's gonna take me time to digest.

Could someone summarize the string options, in term of arm friendliness, cost, and optionally power?

Examples, arm friendly (from most to least) strings: Natural gut, ...

Cost (most to least): Natural gut, multi, ... ?

Thanks.
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
Arm friendliness: natural gut, multifilament, synthetic gut, polyester, kevlar.

Expensiveness: natural gut, multifilament/poly, kevlar, synthetic gut (there are great multifilament options like Maxim Touch as well as great poly options like Genesis Black Magic for around $9 a set or $5 for 40 feet in reel form).

Power: natural gut, multifilament, synthetic gut, polyester, kevlar.
 
Hi meowmix,

Can you please tell me if the Prince Tour Diablo and the Prince Ozone Tour fall into the category of arm friendly racquets? (i.e. heavy and flexible)

Thanks!
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
Both of those are relatively arm friendly. However, keep in mind that every person is different, and what is arm friendly to one person may cause pain for another.
 

autumn_leaf

Hall of Fame
Good guide, but babolat pro hurricane is extremely stiff, nowhere near the stiffness number on the usrsa website. The most arm-friendly poly, imo, is polystar energy due to its high elasticity.

As for the rest of the guide, it pretty much covers all the basics. Good job, sticky now!

I agree with the opinion about the pro hurricane. I never played with it but have strung it a few times. Stiffest poly I've strung with lots of coil memory if my memory is right, the string just jumped out when I cut the ties.

Thanks for the guide. Will dedinitely point people to this thread if they have arm pain.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
While it's understood that the OP has his high school diploma and therefore his therapy advice should be accepted without question, some assertions seem unsupported or even odd. It's stated without qualification that technique is the number one contributor to tennis elbow. What is this claim based on? Hunch? Everything else he's read on this site? A psychic? I'd love to know.
The OP cautions us strongly that light stiff racquets are to be strictlly avoided if one has or fears tennis elbow, then includes in the few racquet recommendations he makes the Volkl V1, a racquet in the vicinity of ten and a half ounces, with a stiffness rating of a steep 69. Huh?? I think this racquet would be considered light and stiff by most people here. The information here seems inconsistent at best.
 

bad_call

Legend
While it's understood that the OP has his high school diploma and therefore his therapy advice should be accepted without question, some assertions seem unsupported or even odd. It's stated without qualification that technique is the number one contributor to tennis elbow. What is this claim based on? Hunch? Everything else he's read on this site? A psychic? I'd love to know.
The OP cautions us strongly that light stiff racquets are to be strictlly avoided if one has or fears tennis elbow, then includes in the few racquet recommendations he makes the Volkl V1, a racquet in the vicinity of ten and a half ounces, with a stiffness rating of a steep 69. Huh?? I think this racquet would be considered light and stiff by most people here. The information here seems inconsistent at best.

yeah that would do my arm in but then i'm a bit insensitive. :)
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
While it's understood that the OP has his high school diploma and therefore his therapy advice should be accepted without question, some assertions seem unsupported or even odd. It's stated without qualification that technique is the number one contributor to tennis elbow. What is this claim based on? Hunch? Everything else he's read on this site? A psychic? I'd love to know.
The OP cautions us strongly that light stiff racquets are to be strictlly avoided if one has or fears tennis elbow, then includes in the few racquet recommendations he makes the Volkl V1, a racquet in the vicinity of ten and a half ounces, with a stiffness rating of a steep 69. Huh?? I think this racquet would be considered light and stiff by most people here. The information here seems inconsistent at best.

I make the V1 recommendation off of what people here have reported. Yes, it is relatively stiff, and it is relatively light. However, so are many ProKennex offerings. Yet they are able to remain relatively arm friendly in spite of that. I have yet to read a review from anybody that states the V1 is not arm friendly. If you would like to challenge this, I urge you to try the stick out yourself and get back to us. I'm sure that we would all benefit.

As for my assertion that technique is the number one cause of TE... you're right, that IS unsupported. It is based off of what I have read and what I have experienced. It is also based on my logic. While technique may in fact not be the number one contributor to tennis elbow, it is something that does contribute, and will continue to contribute regardless of what else one changes. Thus, it is imperative that proper technique be maintained regardless of whatever else happens.

I wrote this guide as an attempt to help people out and to free up some of the clutter in the sections regarding tennis elbow. I have merely put together what I believe would help the majority of people. It might not be 100% accurate, but people like you and autumn leaf have and will point out anything that needs to be changed. It is my hope that you'll help me help others out.
 

autumn_leaf

Hall of Fame
While it's understood that the OP has his high school diploma and therefore his therapy advice should be accepted without question, some assertions seem unsupported or even odd. It's stated without qualification that technique is the number one contributor to tennis elbow. What is this claim based on? Hunch? Everything else he's read on this site? A psychic? I'd love to know.
The OP cautions us strongly that light stiff racquets are to be strictlly avoided if one has or fears tennis elbow, then includes in the few racquet recommendations he makes the Volkl V1, a racquet in the vicinity of ten and a half ounces, with a stiffness rating of a steep 69. Huh?? I think this racquet would be considered light and stiff by most people here. The information here seems inconsistent at best.

i tend to think technique is the most likely cause for many. think about it. you can get injured from just the repetitive movements tennis requires, think about the harm done with repetitive incorrect movement.

for the most part though this does seem like a collection of the general consensus of this board. any stiff racquets i would be worrisome about, but depending on how it's designed the stiff might not matter, every racquet has it's own individual feel.

at the very least this will give someone several factors to work on if they have arm issues.
 

autumn_leaf

Hall of Fame
As for my assertion that technique is the number one cause of TE... you're right, that IS unsupported. It is based off of what I have read and what I have experienced. It is also based on my logic. While technique may in fact not be the number one contributor to tennis elbow, it is something that does contribute, and will continue to contribute regardless of what else one changes. Thus, it is imperative that proper technique be maintained regardless of whatever else happens.

I wrote this guide as an attempt to help people out and to free up some of the clutter in the sections regarding tennis elbow. I have merely put together what I believe would help the majority of people. It might not be 100% accurate, but people like you and autumn leaf have and will point out anything that needs to be changed. It is my hope that you'll help me help others out.

it's nice to see people reacting calmly under fire. props to ya.
 

tsongaali

Semi-Pro
WTH? why was this moved to health & fitness? No one goes to this section except older people or injured people, and this thread is pretty much dedicated to the newbies of tennis. This should have stayed under racquets forum.
 

tsongaali

Semi-Pro
While it's understood that the OP has his high school diploma and therefore his therapy advice should be accepted without question, some assertions seem unsupported or even odd. It's stated without qualification that technique is the number one contributor to tennis elbow. What is this claim based on? Hunch? Everything else he's read on this site? A psychic? I'd love to know.
The OP cautions us strongly that light stiff racquets are to be strictlly avoided if one has or fears tennis elbow, then includes in the few racquet recommendations he makes the Volkl V1, a racquet in the vicinity of ten and a half ounces, with a stiffness rating of a steep 69. Huh?? I think this racquet would be considered light and stiff by most people here. The information here seems inconsistent at best.

Give him/her a little more credit, he/she is going to dartmouth allegedly:)
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
WTH? why was this moved to health & fitness? No one goes to this section except older people or injured people, and this thread is pretty much dedicated to the newbies of tennis. This should have stayed under racquets forum.

I'm hoping DD will sticky this somewhere people will actually read it. I'm also hoping that this thread saves people some time when responding to help.

Give him/her a little more credit, he/she is going to dartmouth allegedly:)

I am indeed joining the Dartmouth class of 2014. For the record, I am male. :)

that isn't smart, that's just loads of debt piling up unless they have an uber amount of schollys. lol.

Asian parents, my friend, are absolutely wonderful when it comes to things like education. Mine are willing to support me through 4 years of college, and they would have payed no matter where I ended up. Very grateful to them.
 

autumn_leaf

Hall of Fame
Asian parents, my friend, are absolutely wonderful when it comes to things like education. Mine are willing to support me through 4 years of college, and they would have paid no matter where I ended up. Very grateful to them.

fixed that for ya... hope you're not majoring in english lol. and yea, i know what you mean, i'm also asian.
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
Thank you! :)

No major in English for me. I make all kinds of errors when I'm careless and don't bother to read over what I write. Thanks for the catch!
 

leafscat

Rookie
Try Volkl PB V1

I agree that technique has a lot to do with TE. However, why not give yourself a fighting chance with the most forgiving equipment.

The Volkl PB V1 racquet has helped my wife immensely. Although I string it with Technifibre X-1 for her not Lux BB!!

When I was doing some research on arm friendly racquets I found some suggested racquest specs that indicated a racquet was more arm friendly than others. I had copied these to a spreadsheet for comparison purposes so I can't give credit where credit is due (my apologies).

length = 27 inches or 68.58cm
weight greater than 11.2 oz or 320g
balance equal to or greater than 4 pts HL
Stiffness - flex less than 65

Keep in mind this is just a guideline. The PB V1 falls short (very slightly) in each category except the length. Yet it has helped my wife and a few others I am aware of.
 
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