Nick Kyrgios Gently Shuts Down Salty Zverev

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
That's not how it works here. If Nick won the AO, his haters would just hate more. Especially if he beat Nadal or Djokovic in the final.
The Nadal fans will be salty for a long time of course. Even though Nadal got his revenge for 2014 last year. But I don't think the rest of us would bother about his baggage if he started winning. It's the fact that he's more obsessed with whining than winning that is very annoying. And for the record, it's not like I have a particularly high opinion of Zverev either. His preferred choice is instead to smash the hell out of racquets and yell at his box when he's losing and to say something haughty when he wins a few in a row. In short, I don't find either of them to be particularly focused on the next match, next game, next point etc ahead. I think Tsitsi talks too much as well. I am not some boomer getting cranky and judging him. By whatever yardstick they draw up these generations, I am a millennial though nearly old enough to be a Gen Xer. I just remember how it was when older champions broke through and they happened not to talk so much, not to look so far ahead. The only one that did talk way too much and got away with it was Martina Hingis and she was a genius. Tsitsi isn't, nor is Kyrgios, nor Sascha. Hitting a few tweeners doesn't make you a genius, almost any player in the top 100 can hit those shots. Er, except probably Djokovic, lolz. In any case, the game has changed a lot since Hingis' days. Pure strokemaking and tennis craft and IQ is no longer enough. It's a brutal, physical game that at the same time also requires a lot of court craft too. It's like expecting the same guitarist to shred like Yngwie and bend it like BB King. It's a very tough game for a young player to make a mark in and I think all of the Gen Nexters have a long way to go before they get there. In terms of focus and resolve, only FAA has it but whether he has the talent and guts too remains to be seen. Thiem is getting there but he is no Gen Nexter anyway. Nor is Kyrgios. He has just refused to grow up, either mentally or in terms of tennis and ended up getting lumped with players younger than him.
 

Gary Duane

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It' not the pics, though they are good. It's the gentle trash talk, which is always epic. Carry on! (y)(y)(y)
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
That's not how it works here. If Nick won the AO, his haters would just hate more. Especially if he beat Nadal or Djokovic in the final.
Yes, for the haters. You can't stop irrational hate. But a really big win would change things for a lot of people. Many of us think he is incredibly talented and could have done so much more with a better work ethic.

For the record, I like this kid. He has huge rough edges, and some of his defensiveness is hardly pretty, but he's less packaged and way less PC. I think underneath it all he has a good heart. Just my impression.
 
Nah, he trashes a lot of other things, just sort of leans on Rafa the most. I don't dislike Rafa, and I think you do, but I just enjoy the humor, for the same reason I enjoy your psycho Christmas icon. Just makes me smile. ;)

I am slightly disappointed by your refusal to acknowledge the Nadal (you know that I am a big fan), but still nice to know that you appreciate the humour even when it comes to the most tragic events in the human history.

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octobrina10

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I noticed that NK says in the article (OP): "I guess my mind is still not completely on the tennis side of things"...
 

Gary Duane

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I am slightly disappointed by your refusal to acknowledge the Nadal (you know that I am a big fan), but still nice to know that you appreciate the humour even when it comes to the most tragic events in the human history.

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I'm not sure I follow. I see nothing humorous about the fires, if that's what you mean. I have a friend who was waiting to leave her house for days, thinking it would be burned down. I think I missed something. I was laughing at the Zebra picture.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure I follow. I see nothing humorous about the fires, if that's what you mean. I have a friend who was waiting to leave her house for days, thinking it would be burned down. I think I missed something. I was laughing at the Zebra picture.
If you read what vive is saying, he is objecting to Kyrgios choosing 'only' this moment to speak up and say these issues are bigger than AO. As if AO is in danger of getting disrupted by bushfires every year. I don't get this rightwing trope that's trotted out everytime somebody protests something. Everyone gets to start somewhere. Good for Nick if he thinks the bushfires are his starting point. More than I can say about Fedal at this moment, asking lower ranked players to deal with it when the duo will get to play everything indoors at least until the weather clears up. Delhi is affected by stubble burning every year and it's terrible. Doesn't happen here in Mumbai but a few years back, some miscreants burnt up a lot of plastic in the city's dumping ground and it was enveloped by smoke for days. This was no ordinary smog, I had stepped out to play tennis on one of those days and there was a burning sensation in my eyes within minutes. I live with and am accustomed to high levels of pollution so if I found it bothersome, I am pretty sure these tough guys lecturing Nick would too. I think jokes are OK but insinuating things about Kyrgios like that poster did is stupid and uninformed. Doesn't matter how much players are paid for this. If things don't get to a healthy point in Aus, the players shouldn't be made to play just because the Big Three are in a tearing hurry to win slams before they retire.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
If you read what vive is saying, he is objecting to Kyrgios choosing 'only' this moment to speak up and say these issues are bigger than AO. As if AO is in danger of getting disrupted by bushfires every year.
Actually, I just pretty much saw the zebra. I generally don't pay a lot of attention what most of the people say in this forum because there is always so much nonsense, it's hard to find really intelligent comments in the mess.

I'll only say that how Kyrgios or anyone else feels about such disasters is unimportant unless it leads to action that can change the reasons that such disasters happen. I do empathize with what he is saying though because I personally find it very hard to put things out of my mind, even when there is nothing I can do to change them.

We are not impacted by fires where I live - this is a huge problem in CA - but we are endangered by hurricanes, and such storms are getting bigger and bigger, and more frequent. In my mind climate change is real and is going to change the planet in a way no one is going to like, but it is unlikely I will be around to experience it. I'm too old. I do worry about the world my children and grandchildren will inherit.
 

Dolgopolov85

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Actually, I just pretty much saw the zebra. I generally don't pay a lot of attention what most of the people say in this forum because there is always so much nonsense, it's hard to find really intelligent comments in the mess.

I'll only say that how Kyrgios or anyone else feels about such disasters is unimportant unless it leads to action that can change the reasons that such disasters happen. I do empathize with what he is saying though because I personally find it very hard to put things out of my mind, even when there is nothing I can do to change them.

We are not impacted by fires where I live - this is a huge problem in CA - but we are endangered by hurricanes, and such storms are getting bigger and bigger, and more frequent. In my mind climate change is real and is going to change the planet in a way no one is going to like, but it is unlikely I will be around to experience it. I'm too old. I do worry about the world my children and grandchildren will inherit.
I don't think Nick can change the world all by himself but at least he acknowledges the issue. I don't even hold it against Fedalovic for not making the right noises but that they threw the lower ranked players under the bus is, while entirely unsurprising, also hard to digest. The primary responsibility in such a situation lies with the tournament but Fedalovic had an opportunity to use their power for a good cause, to stand up for fellow players and failed here. In some ways, I prefer the brazen materialism of the pre meltdown era. At least you knew then where people really stood. Nowadays there's plenty of wolves in sheep's clothing going around.
 
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in moving from losing because "I hate tennis and would rather play basketball" to losing because "I'm too concerned about the wildfires," I think some of those old psychoanalysts might suggest he's starting to use slightly more mature defense mechanisms.

something something sublimation of personal inferiority complex

Here are some other reasons why he will lose in 2020:- his concern for Californian fires at Indian Wells, his concern for Black Trans Lives in Miami, his concern against French hegemony subverting Monagesque culture during Monaco, his sympathy for the Inquisition victims during Madrid, child sex abuse from the church during Rome, his outrage against French tax exiles and fellow players living the good life in Monaco during Roland Garros, he might actually win Wimbledon which would be a terrible snub to haters of Rhodes and the Commomnwealth.
 

Drob

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Nick Kyrgios shuts down tennis commentator over tennis chat

Nick Kyrgios may have found his motivation to make a deep run in the Australian Open but it's nothing to do with finally proving himself as a genuine grand slam contender.

The longer Kyrgios plays in Melbourne, the more aces he will hit and, at $200 a pop, the more money he'll raise for bushfire relief.

Everything else is currently beside the point to the 24-year-old star, as he made abundantly clear when asked about "the bigger picture" of his career today by Kooyong Classic commentator Paul McNamee.

After taking a seat in the commentary booth following an impressive 6-4 6-2 win over former world No.3 Grigor Dimitrov, Kyrgios brushed aside McNamee's question with a hint of frustration in his reply.

"People are losing their homes, losing their lives," Kyrgios said.

"Animals are getting hurt, there's earthquakes going on in Puerto Rico at the moment that aren't getting much exposure at all.

"You know, there's things happening; you guys shouldn't really be asking how I'm hitting my forehand or how I'm shaping up for the Australian Open. There's things that are happening that are real things that need attention and need help, that's what I'm doing right now."

Indeed, Kyrgios was the driving force behind last night's Rally for Relief that raised a whopping $4.8 million for the bushfire appeal.

The bushfires, as well as the team focused ATP Cup, have given his summer meaning beyond the individual, and at times lonely, pursuit of winning titles.

Kyrgios has often spoken of his lack of motivation and enjoyment playing and preparing for tennis match after tennis match over the course of a long and arduous year.

His $200 donations for aces hit give him the added sense of responsibility for an important cause - a cause that has a unifying effect in a nation where he often polarises.

It's this, rather than any personal goal, that could potentially lift him to a career-best showing at the year's first major.

"It's just crazy that a kid from Canberra had the platform to put out one tweet and get that much traction and it just grew and within a couple of weeks it was amazing how many people worldwide were just willing to help," Kyrgios said.

"And I think that's what we've got to do, if we're able to help then that's what has to happen and we're all going to overcome it."

In his wins against Dimitrov and Stefanos Tsitsipas, Kyrgios has kicked off 2020 with two high quality scalps, albeit that his straight sets romp over the Bulgarian was in a low key exhibition setting.

Just as promising was his ability to keep his focus in matches against lower calibre players in Cameron Norrie and Jan-Lennard Struff, accounting for both in straight sets.

Those kinds of matches have historically been a struggle for Kyrgios, with the showtime element of his personality preferring big opponents and big occasions.

Kyrgios will be seeded 23 at the Australian Open, allowing him to avoid a match up with Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer and Daniil Medvedev for at least the first two rounds.

His first two matches will likely pit him in clashes with opponents of a similar standard to Norrie and Lennard-Struff, giving him a chance to get his teeth into the tournament before he has to face a top-20 opponent.

Kyrgios said he wouldn't be watching tonight when the tournament draw is finalised. No matter who he faces he'll do it on his terms.

"Regardless of who I play I'm just going to go out there and serve big and play big and whatever happens happens," Kyrgios said.

"I just want to have a positive outlook on it, whether I lose in the first round or make a bit of a run.

"Obviously I want to do well and I feel like I can obviously make some strides into the tournament but I've got a couple of days to just continue to bring a positive vibe around and that's what I'm going to do."

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I tend to agree w you as opposed to the poster who suggests that Nick's references to the environmental crises are only a more sophisticated mechanism to cop out as a tennis player. He seems genuinely concerned. It is not uncommon for someone to care about humanity in a general way, and still act like a complete jerk, to put it mildly, towards individuals and organizations. I believe Nick has a slightly more conscious view of the huge problems facing our world than many or most players. I also know his behavior is apalling and he must reform or suffer consequences. And I would agree that there is a fear that keeps him from excelling and may prevent him ever being a champion at the highest level.

A friend, who is a poster on TT, told me that the few persons in Aussie tennis who have his ear should have convinced him that he would be playing the AO for Australia, that the country needed him and he could donate his prize money to the firefighting and relief efforts. I thought that was an ingenious idea. But I doubted that anybody in Aussie tennis has the imagination to think of it. Rafter would, but I don't think he is involved.
 

Dolgopolov85

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I tend to agree w you as opposed to the poster who suggests that Nick's references to the environmental crises are only a more sophisticated mechanism to cop out as a tennis player. He seems genuinely concerned. It is not uncommon for someone to care about humanity in a general way, and still act like a complete jerk, to put it mildly, towards individuals and organizations. I believe Nick has a slightly more conscious view of the huge problems facing our world than many or most players. I also know his behavior is apalling and he must reform or suffer consequences. And I would agree that there is a fear that keeps him from excelling and may prevent him ever being a champion at the highest level.

A friend, who is a poster on TT, told me that the few persons in Aussie tennis who have his ear should have convinced him that he would be playing the AO for Australia, that the country needed him and he could donate his prize money to the firefighting and relief efforts. I thought that was an ingenious idea. But I doubted that anybody in Aussie tennis has the imagination to think of it. Rafter would, but I don't think he is involved.

Yup, people are complicated. Oddly, while Nick is more brash than most tennis players, he is also more woke. In some ways, it's the fact that he is a normal, complicated person who sometimes speaks without a filter and gets into trouble that holds him back. Because you have to morph into a cold, mercenary kind of person to succeed big in a sport for a long time.
 
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I tend to agree w you as opposed to the poster who suggests that Nick's references to the environmental crises are only a more sophisticated mechanism to cop out as a tennis player. He seems genuinely concerned. It is not uncommon for someone to care about humanity in a general way, and still act like a complete jerk, to put it mildly, towards individuals and organizations. I believe Nick has a slightly more conscious view of the huge problems facing our world than many or most players. I also know his behavior is apalling and he must reform or suffer consequences. And I would agree that there is a fear that keeps him from excelling and may prevent him ever being a champion at the highest level.

A friend, who is a poster on TT, told me that the few persons in Aussie tennis who have his ear should have convinced him that he would be playing the AO for Australia, that the country needed him and he could donate his prize money to the firefighting and relief efforts. I thought that was an ingenious idea. But I doubted that anybody in Aussie tennis has the imagination to think of it. Rafter would, but I don't think he is involved.

Nah mate, he’s caught up in the hysteria of it all.

Compared to the daily misery of the worlds poor and oppressed numbering two billion people,
the Aussie fires have really had very little RELATIVE human impact.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
Nah mate, he’s caught up in the hysteria of it all.

Compared to the daily misery of the worlds poor and oppressed numbering two billion people,
the Aussie fires have really had very little RELATIVE human impact.

Yeah, sure, nevermind about one third of all koalas in NSW dying from these fires. These are warning signs, don't ignore them. There ARE things more important than tennis, Nick is right about that.
 
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Yeah, sure, nevermind about one third of all koalas in NSW dying from these fires. These are warning signs, don't ignore them. There ARE things more important than tennis, Nick is right about that.

He’s still caught up in the hysteria of it, as are you.

Why aren’t you and Kygrios shouting from the rooftops about the leprosy problem in Tamil Nadu for example!?
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
He’s still caught up in the hysteria of it, as are you.

Why aren’t you and Kygrios shouting from the rooftops about the leprosy problem in Tamil Nadu for example!?
Whataboutery again. What does the leprosy problem here have to do with the Australian Open or indeed the situation in Australia? Complete non sequitur argument. We have enough problems here and we will hold our politicians to account. But there is nothing heroic about descending to third world standards of hygiene and health just to play a tennis tournament.
 

Bukmeikara

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The irony of Zverev saying other players are better in 5 sets than Kyrgios. Mr I can’t make a slam SF if my life depended on it.

Kyrgios has the same amount of slam QF’s as Zverev (two), also Kyrgios has two top 10 wins at slams unlike Zverev.

Zverev didn't say that he is better than Nick(which he is). His words were that Kyrgios is far from being a favorite when you have Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Wawrinka + few youths which already are higher ranked + someone like Dimitrov who is an enigma but still more proven.

Kyrgios is almost 25 and his best results are back in 2014, 2015 with solo Master final with half of the top 10 not playing. Zverev is miles ahead of him.
 
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Whataboutery again. What does the leprosy problem here have to do with the Australian Open or indeed the situation in Australia? Complete non sequitur argument. We have enough problems here and we will hold our politicians to account. But there is nothing heroic about descending to third world standards of hygiene and health just to play a tennis tournament.

That’s exactly the point! The Australian fires have been magnified in your eyes due to your interest in tennis which is played in Australia at this time of year.

As I said you are caught up in the hysteria of the issue. I think Kygrios is too. But yes I will agree it is best to try and do something about it (or some issue) rather than be completely apathetic and complacent about everything.

However all this praise for Kygrios and criticism of other players for not initiating galas and events etc needs to be put in perspective given it is marginal compared to the Federer Foundation for example...
 
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Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
That’s exactly the point! The Australian fires have been magnified in your eyes due to your interest in tennis which is played in Australia at this time of year.

As I said you are caught up in the hysteria of the issue. I think Kygrios is too. But yes I will agree it is best to try and do something about it (or some issue) rather than be completely apathetic and complacent about everything.

However all this praise for Kygrios needs to be put in perspective given it is marginal compared to the Federer Foundation for example...
On the contrary, I am aware of the fires in Australia as well as the situation in California. I know it is not the first time. However, I think it is fortuitous in a twisted way that it coincides with the sporting season in Australia and forces people to take notice. It's the same thing in Delhi. It got particularly bad last year and media created more hype about it than previous years. But it's been bad for a long time and something should be done. It should not take things reaching an embarrassing situation for politicians to take note, but that's usually how it is.
 

Sysyphus

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Here are some other reasons why he will lose in 2020:- his concern for Californian fires at Indian Wells, his concern for Black Trans Lives in Miami, his concern against French hegemony subverting Monagesque culture during Monaco, his sympathy for the Inquisition victims during Madrid, child sex abuse from the church during Rome, his outrage against French tax exiles and fellow players living the good life in Monaco during Roland Garros, he might actually win Wimbledon which would be a terrible snub to haters of Rhodes and the Commomnwealth.

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I'm not sure I follow. I see nothing humorous about the fires, if that's what you mean. I have a friend who was waiting to leave her house for days, thinking it would be burned down. I think I missed something. I was laughing at the Zebra picture.

By the "most tragic events in the human history" I clearly indicated the Mallorcan plight. I am sorry to hear about your friend. I hope that she and everyone else in the burning areas are well an hopefully the catastrophe stops soon.

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Robert Baratheon

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If you read what vive is saying, he is objecting to Kyrgios choosing 'only' this moment to speak up and say these issues are bigger than AO. As if AO is in danger of getting disrupted by bushfires every year. I don't get this rightwing trope that's trotted out everytime somebody protests something. Everyone gets to start somewhere. Good for Nick if he thinks the bushfires are his starting point. More than I can say about Fedal at this moment, asking lower ranked players to deal with it when the duo will get to play everything indoors at least until the weather clears up. Delhi is affected by stubble burning every year and it's terrible. Doesn't happen here in Mumbai but a few years back, some miscreants burnt up a lot of plastic in the city's dumping ground and it was enveloped by smoke for days. This was no ordinary smog, I had stepped out to play tennis on one of those days and there was a burning sensation in my eyes within minutes. I live with and am accustomed to high levels of pollution so if I found it bothersome, I am pretty sure these tough guys lecturing Nick would too. I think jokes are OK but insinuating things about Kyrgios like that poster did is stupid and uninformed. Doesn't matter how much players are paid for this. If things don't get to a healthy point in Aus, the players shouldn't be made to play just because the Big Three are in a tearing hurry to win slams before they retire.
If it was some other player who had said that they were concerned about the fires and couldn't focus on tennis I am pretty sure vive wouldn't have made that comment.

Mate the player in question is known to make silly excuses about his failures and they are not so much as excuses as they are defence mechanisms he deploys to feel good about where he is or rather not feel bad about it.

Now I totally acknowledge the trope you talk about and if it was someone whom I can believe and take at face value I would have never liked that poast and as I said vive wouldn't have made it.

But I also acknowledge that it's a very serious thing so it might be so that this time around Nick's reasons for not being ready are genuine and it's not just one of his usual Nickisms which is why I think he should be given the benefit of doubt.
 
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Robert Baratheon

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If it was some other player who had said that they were concerned about the fires and couldn't focus on tennis I am pretty sure vive wouldn't have made that comment.

Mate the player in question is known to make silly excuses about his failures and they are not so much as excuses as they are defence mechanisms he deploys to feel good about where he is or rather not feel bad about it.

Now I totally acknowledge the trope you talk about and if it was someone whom I can believe and take at face value I would have never liked that poast and as I said vive wouldn't have made it.

But I also acknowledge that it's a very serious thing so it might be so that this time around Nick's reasons for not being ready are genuine and it's not just one of his usual Nickisms which is why I think he should be given the benefit of doubt.
Having said the above, can't help and not LOL at the below.
Here are some other reasons why he will lose in 2020:- his concern for Californian fires at Indian Wells, his concern for Black Trans Lives in Miami, his concern against French hegemony subverting Monagesque culture during Monaco, his sympathy for the Inquisition victims during Madrid, child sex abuse from the church during Rome, his outrage against French tax exiles and fellow players living the good life in Monaco during Roland Garros, he might actually win Wimbledon which would be a terrible snub to haters of Rhodes and the Commomnwealth.
 

toby55555

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Despite the appalling fires some 750.000 mainly Australians will attend the tournament so hopefully local boy Nick can put on a good show.
 

Dolgopolov85

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If it was some other player who had said that they were concerned about the fires and couldn't focus on tennis I am pretty sure vive wouldn't have made that comment.

Mate the player in question is known to make silly excuses about his failures and they are not so much as excuses as they are defence mechanisms he deploys to feel good about where he is or rather not feel bad about it.

Now I totally acknowledge the trope you talk about and if it was someone whom I can believe and take at face value I would have never liked that poast and as I said vive wouldn't have made it.

But I also acknowledge that it's a very serious thing so it might be so that this time around Nick's reasons for not being ready are genuine and it's not just one of his usual Nickisms which is why I think he should be given the benefit of doubt.
I know he loves those excuses. Believe me, Nick pretty much lives up to the characterisation of Pink in the PF song Mother. He is afraid of success and self-sabotages himself. I can see the syndrome clearly in his case. That said, I do think this time he means it. Nick failing at his home slam isn't even a novelty so he doesn't have to reach so far for excuses.
 

Steve0904

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I don't think either guy is really wrong on this topic. As fun as it is sometimes to make fun at Zverev he is actually on point when he says other players are just better than Nick. Whether better means working harder or being more talented doesn't really matter. Zverev's point being Nick is ranked 26th and a bunch of young(er) guys are ranked higher than him and doing more work to actually be successful at tennis.

Nick's response is surprisingly mature for him, and I can sympathize, but at the same time I can't say Zverev is wrong, plus Nick is going to lose many times this year and not have this "excuse". Now, that said, even though Zverev wasn't exactly wrong, I think he's wasting his time talking about Kyrgios because I'm sure that being better than Nick Kyrgios is not all he wants from his tennis career.
 
I don't think either guy is really wrong on this topic. As fun as it is sometimes to make fun at Zverev he is actually on point when he says other players are just better than Nick. Whether better means working harder or being more talented doesn't really matter. Zverev's point being Nick is ranked 26th and a bunch of young(er) guys are ranked higher than him and doing more work to actually be successful at tennis.

Nick's response is surprisingly mature for him, and I can sympathize, but at the same time I can't say Zverev is wrong, plus Nick is going to lose many times this year and not have this "excuse". Now, that said, even though Zverev wasn't exactly wrong, I think he's wasting his time talking about Kyrgios because I'm sure that being better than Nick Kyrgios is not all he wants from his tennis career.

Zverev is mostly right when he makes tennis comments. It is the local pundits that have taken issue with his personality, which is why he is constantly mocked around here. Similar wit Kyrgios, BTW.

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Aussie Darcy

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Hillarious how? Zverev has reached the top 5, while Kyrgios has never ever been top 10. Zverev has won 3 masters 1000 titles, Kyrios 0. Zverev has won the ATP finals, Kyrgios has never classified to it. Zverev is also the only player in tennis history to defeat Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in the ATP finals.

There can be no doubt that Zverev is a superior tennis player than Kyrgios.
In B03 sure but not B05. Zverev is barely a top to player when it comes to the slams. I mean gee at least Millman has a top 10 win at a slam. Zverev has 0. ZERO.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Zverev didn't say that he is better than Nick(which he is). His words were that Kyrgios is far from being a favorite when you have Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Wawrinka + few youths which already are higher ranked + someone like Dimitrov who is an enigma but still more proven.

Kyrgios is almost 25 and his best results are back in 2014, 2015 with solo Master final with half of the top 10 not playing. Zverev is miles ahead of him.
Again, at B03 sure but definitely not B05. I mean as you say, Kyrgios is quite a few years older but has he ever been bagelled in the final set in the 4R of the Australian Open? Hard to forget that Zverev/Chung performance a couple years back. Man that was bad. And then this year you’ve got Kyrgios coming into the AO with wins over Tsitsipas and Struff while Zverev was destroyed by Shapovalov and Tsitsipas and also lost to De Minaur. Zverev on a 4 match losing streak right now...
 

vive le beau jeu !

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sorry mates, don't have time to entertain you by spanking a doublefaulting zviraffe... gotta rescue a baby wombat right now.
ya know, with everything going on at the moment, people losing their homes, smoking kangaroos...
i mean... even bernie had ashes on his yellew ferrari, this is some serious ****, really.


#NewWiseNick
 
Zverev has never won a B05 match against a top 10 player in his entire career. Nick has of course beaten Nadal at Wimbledon and also then top 10 Raonic.

Honestly, this is hilarious.

Also, Tsitsipas may have made a slam SF but he lost in the 1R of both Wimbledon and the US Open. Terrible comparison by Zverev.

Zverev, Tsitsipas, Thiem, Medvedev are all better than Kygrios and will all have better careers. I would bet money on it. Revisit this in 4-5 years when I am right.
 

vive le beau jeu !

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If you read what vive is saying, he is objecting to Kyrgios choosing 'only' this moment to speak up and say these issues are bigger than AO. As if AO is in danger of getting disrupted by bushfires every year. I don't get this rightwing trope that's trotted out everytime somebody protests something. Everyone gets to start somewhere. Good for Nick if he thinks the bushfires are his starting point. More than I can say about Fedal at this moment, asking lower ranked players to deal with it when the duo will get to play everything indoors at least until the weather clears up. Delhi is affected by stubble burning every year and it's terrible. Doesn't happen here in Mumbai but a few years back, some miscreants burnt up a lot of plastic in the city's dumping ground and it was enveloped by smoke for days. This was no ordinary smog, I had stepped out to play tennis on one of those days and there was a burning sensation in my eyes within minutes. I live with and am accustomed to high levels of pollution so if I found it bothersome, I am pretty sure these tough guys lecturing Nick would too. I think jokes are OK but insinuating things about Kyrgios like that poster did is stupid and uninformed. Doesn't matter how much players are paid for this. If things don't get to a healthy point in Aus, the players shouldn't be made to play just because the Big Three are in a tearing hurry to win slams before they retire.
emmm... i'm not sure to follow everything here, but if ever you thought i somehow meant that the issue with fires wasn't serious... i certainly didn't! :oops:
it's tragic, on many levels... :confused:

i may have disguised it too much in my posts(?), but once again: it's good to have people trying to do something.
that being said, it just won't keep me from joking about kyrgios...
but whether i'm 100% convinced by his little mother theresa comedy or not (maybe he's genuine this time!), his usual attention seeking is probably warmly welcome in this unfortunate context.

PS: sorry if the jokes affected some of you, suffering from the fires... that wasn't the intention.
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
Kyrgios seems to be setting up the fires as a rationalisation for an early exit. "I guess my mind is not completely on the tennis side of things.It's tough, the fires I mean.....people are losing their homes, families." Seems any distraction will do...

The guy has as much resilience as a wet paper bag
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
He’s still caught up in the hysteria of it, as are you.

Why aren’t you and Kygrios shouting from the rooftops about the leprosy problem in Tamil Nadu for example!?
People start somewhere. The cause is just, regardless of whether or not something as bad or worse has occurred or is occurring. If the closeness to home and extensive news info on the incident led to some action then that's productive, even if said action is somewhat exclusive. If half of my town burnt to the ground I'd probably focus a lot more on that than the bushfires, but that wouldn't mean I didn't think the latter was awful. Kygs is an Australian. To just brush his rather understandable empathetic focus off as 'caught up in the hysteria' purely because other **** exists is borderline obtuse.
 

atatu

Legend
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sorry mates, don't have time to entertain you by spanking a doublefaulting zviraffe... gotta rescue a baby wombat right now.
ya know, with everything going on at the moment, people losing their homes, smoking kangaroos...
i mean... even bernie had ashes on his yellew ferrari, this is some serious ****, really.


#NewWiseNick

Really classy
 
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