Bumbaliceps
Professional
He said top 4 favorites
RG 2022 Top 4 Draw
- Thread starter TripleATeam
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Federev
Legend
OH MY GOODNESS.
Can you imagine the pressure on Tsitsi to make the final with this Cake???
He won’t make it passed the first week!
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Gotcha. Drawing Nadal at a tournament he's 105-3 at is preferred to drawing Andrey Rublev.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
the clay didn't change bro
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Stop acting like it's the same tournament. They COMPLETELY changed the conditions.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
the clay is the same, unless you did it yourself in secret to help your master Djokovic ?
zvelf
Hall of Fame
The concern people have isn't whether Nadal or Djokovic will win the first 4 rounds but how much energy their older bodies will have to expend and how much energy they will have left for Alcaraz, much less the final.
Just remember had nadal made half decent runs in madrid and rome he would have been enjoying in tsitsipas position.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
True. But injuries stopped that.
Alcaraz is No 6 i guess
Cantconvert2MP
Rookie
Nadal is totaly fine..
His fake bs injuries he so called has every single time to excuse any defeat...
The only players who never lost when not injured apparently.
To be honest, apart from Alcaraz who seems to have unlimited energy resources, I don’t find the likes of Tsitsipas, Zverev, Medvedev having more energy than Nadal and Djokovic. If anything, the latter seem to be physically and mentally fitter than the younger guys.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
It's called a projected draw, man. Calm yourself.
Phenomenal
Professional
Really Bad draw for Nadal and Djokovic too (more to nadal think) Nice draw Tsi except first round. Again he is on Meds half he avoided all dream draw. This is a draw on paper everything can change obviously. For Nadal i wanted him to be the opposite of Djokovic for many reason.
If Nadal can stay healthy i believe he can win. But other than this issue he has less match play this year. That's the second thing i worry about his rthym, fitness, movement.
If Nadal can stay healthy i believe he can win. But other than this issue he has less match play this year. That's the second thing i worry about his rthym, fitness, movement.
Phenomenal
Professional
Anyone knows about rule of night matches is it only about most important match for them?
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Why would the Nadovic QF be guaranteed to be at night? The RG 2015 QF between Nadovic was played in day conditions. The same applies to the SF. Nadal has played some RG SF in day conditions (for instance, against Del Potro in 2018 or Federer in 2019).
As for Wawrinak and Felix, Wawrinka is semi-retired and is not even a lock to reach the 2R. Plus, Nadal typically likes this matchup (Wawrinka has never won a set against Rafa at RG). With regard to Felix, Nadal prefers to face Felix over Schwartzman on clay at RG. Schwartzman is a returnbot and clay especialist that, so far, has proven to be better on clay than Felix. Only last year, Schwartzman pushed Nadal to four in a grueling, physically exhausting match at RG 2021. Schwartzman also pushed Djokovic to 5 sets at RG 2017 (Djokovic was in poor form, but still... ). Based on available evidence, Schwartzmann is a much tougher opponent for a 4R than Felix at RG.
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Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Clickbait title.
Rattie
Legend
No tougher than Rafa or Carlos draw.
He’s had his fair share of easy rides.….like Wimbledon 21
Phenomenal
Professional
Night matches started last year i think. I agree for once Nadal didn't have Schwartzmann thats good although he is not in great form this year.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
I would say just written fast but yeah you are right
Bumbaliceps
Professional
At least Nadal is not facing Schwartman or Sinner. This would be getting annoying.
Federev
Legend
I still cannot believe this draw.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
True enough. You might be right. Djokovic might have the harder draw, I was just going off what I knew. And as far as I can tell Schwartzman is very touch and go right now. He was great against Kecmanovic and generally good on clay this year, but doesn't seem in form to defeat Djokovic. FAA was closest to beating Djokovic at Rome last week, so there's that. But still, you bring up valid points. Your conclusion makes sense to me.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah I am in total agreement with @Sport here. Copy and pasting my other comment - the first 4 rounds will drain Djokovic’s legs a LOT.
Djokovic has the pusher defensive baseliners from hell.
Nishioka
Molcan (Vajda-coached no less)
Brooksby
Schwartzman
are all legitimately created in a lab to be the biggest nuisances from the baseline ever. They’ll lose but will force super long, lung busting rallies. When he gets through that, he’s rewarded with Nadal, lol. And whoever wins that one gets a fresh Alcaraz…
Med also has a somewhat difficult 1R-4R surprisingly, as does Alcaraz. Tsitsipas is the easiest, Nadal is easy as well. But of course what really matters is QF, SF, and F, and this is where Nadal has the hardest. Zverev of course has the most difficult absolutely bc he gets Alcaraz in the QF and then Djokodal.
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TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Fair, that sounds possible, but it relies on Djokovic not getting it done. I think Djokovic will realize just as much as we do that he needs to finish it quickly and will be throwing in plenty of droppers and hitting the corners to make his opponents run themselves out. They don't exactly have a lot of versatility (save Schwartzman), so they won't be able to respond in kind.
I think he'll get through most of them in straights, with minimal time on court. Maybe one 4 setter.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Checkmate
Legend
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
I guess the corollary is all are rather weak servers which means it’s very unlikely Djokovic loses sets there, but I guess a 2.5hr match filled with long rallies would be tougher than say a Berrettini match with few long rallies but more games overall, on clay at least. It’s not about losing but about expending energy in 1R-4R for the top guys.
the proof will be in the pudding I suppose.
also I don’t think Schwartzman is a lock, he got bageled by his 3R opponent in Dimitrov last week, and I think Grigor could very well be a tougher opponent.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas could actually vulture this. He failed last year, so try #2.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Draws often don't pan out as you know and Diego has done nothing on clay this year. The best draw by far is Carlitos, in order to win RG he doesn't have to play Rafa and Nole back to back. Now that we've seen the draw, Carlos has a much better shot at the title.He has to beat Schwartzman, Nadal, Alcaraz and Tsitsipas in a row.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Didn't I say earlier today, that if he gets the right, he could actually take this? This is the perfect draw for him.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
With the level he's shown so far, this would be an ecen bigger vulture job than last year would've been.
marc45
G.O.A.T.
Christ this is just a nightmare draw for Djokovic.
He has to beat Schwartzman, Nadal, Alcaraz and Tsitsipas in a row.
Schwartz hasn't been too Schwartzy lately
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Sure, but he might just get inspired now to take it and raise his level, he knows that he is now EXPECTED to be in the final from his side.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
If he wins it, it'll probably a USO 2021 scenario, but with a lower level.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Probably, let see.
But as far as the slam race goes, if Tsitsipas wins it, then it is still 21-20, with Wimbledon approaching and Djokovic being the solid fav to get back to the pole position again in SW19.
beard
Legend
You are neglecting Rafa influence at FO... Remember Nadal - Federer playing first semi, and Novak - Thiem second one?
Bumbaliceps
Professional
I think in 2019, the order of play was simply determined by the return of Fed at RG, after 4 years. They wanted him to play the first sunday, to get better audience. Then the rest of the schedule is already decided and can't be changed, because the players on the first day always play on the first semi
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Ok, but with a caveat that as things stand, vulturing is likely inevitable, so I'll take Tsitsipas any day of the week instead of Nadal.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yes, you are probably right, but the winds were only getting worse. The right thing would have been to play both semis at the same time, using SL court.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
Yeah, but the tvs would never allow it. They did for the women, but... they're the women. Personally I would have chosen to start at 10 am and go on with the second semi right after
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Not sure why, in 2016 I remember the exact same match between Djokovic and Thiem was taking place on SL to get the scheduling on track.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
And the tvs must have gotten so angry they won't do it again lol. Forget's ass is still red
Hitman
Bionic Poster
True, true, I think you are right again on that. LOL
Hitman
Bionic Poster
He has no Djokovic or Nadal or Alcaraz or Zverev even, he really can't have it much easier than that.
The Fedfather
Legend
Looking at this, I think that maybe the draws shouldn't be random lol
