"Roger Federer has earned the mantle as the greatest of all-time"

[Smasher08]

If Nadal didn't exist, Fed would probably be considered the greatest clay courter of all time (don't see him losing to anyone but Nadal in 2006, 2007, maybe 2008, 2011). That's 4-5 French Opens. Take away Fed, and Nadal gains what? Maybe 2 more Wimbledons?

Great point! You can also add in another 2 AOs and 1 SW19 for Fed. So Fed would be somewhere around 26 slams and going for his 27th.

Nads, however, if Fed didn't exist: 13 Slams. Djoker would have faced him at RG'11 and won because he had his number that year. And if he'd won then and there, I'm not sure Nads' victories in '12 and '13 would have happened either.

(FWIW, I'd also pick Djoker to win SW19 in '12.)

So if Fed didn't exist, Djoker would be somewhere 15-17 and the GOAT. And if Djoker didn't exist, the Fedal slam and title tally would actually turn into Enron accounting!!

Crazy permutations, huh?

 

[BeatlesFan]

My problem with this article isn't that it claims that Federer is the GOAT, it's that:

1) it insults Nadal and his fans.... blah blah blah...........

You already said you didn't bother reading the article but spend three lengthy paragraphs disputing it and picking it apart.

Hilarious.

 

[Smasher08]

You already said you didn't bother reading the article but spend three lengthy paragraphs disputing it and picking it apart.

Hilarious.

Almost 60s Weed levels of hilarious, no?

 

[Talker]

What has McEnroe said about it lately?

 

[smoledman]

McEnroe switches sides every other month.

 

[Surion]

So after eliminating clay, now we are instead eliminating Nadal? Alright it's time for me to exit this thread and the nonsense. lol

Finally!

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Fed is boring and Nadal is more exciting - better looking too

If you are a an ignorant shallow fellow you would see the things like that, yes.

 

[Talker]

But 'La Decima' is arguably the greatest achievement in sports.

Yep it's a unthinkable achievement, 10 slams!!!

No matter how high they put Federer, Nadal will never have to hold his head down.

There's enough from both these guys for their respective fans. NO?

 

[swordtennis]

Fed is boring and Nadal is more exciting - better looking too


If you are a an ignorant shallow fellow you would see the things like that, yes.

This might be one of the greatest back and forth banter in the history of TTW.
Possible top 20 material.
LMAO!

 

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@Talker

We shouldn't forget Djovak's 4 in a row and dominant all-round peak.

http://tennis-strangeforest.rhcloud.com/rankingsChart#

Draw out a chart with points compensation selected and pick Big Four from quick picks and check that Nole peak.

 

[Talker]

@Talker

We shouldn't forget Djovak's 4 in a row and dominant all-round peak.

I haven't forgot, Nole should have gotten a lot more praise than he did.

Doing it while Fed and Nadal were playing makes it even more special.

Nole is one of the greatest players of all time, no doubt.


These are golden times.

 

[Bobby Jr]

Weak clay resume? GTFO with that BS. Federer's clay resume is arguably stronger than any other player's resume on their weakest surface, at least in the Open Era...

And there are just tons and tons of other metrics you can look at and find gaping holes in people's resumes compared to Federer.

Nadal for example has never defended a title off clay. Think about it. Federer has defended tons of titles, some of them 3 or 4 times - including 3 of the 4 majors. Outside of clay Nadal hasn't done it even once.

When looked at as a complete body of work there is just no-one close to Federer's level of achievement (not even Serena).

 

[Mr Feeny]

The reporter seems more interested in dissing Nadal then praising Federer. I didn't even bother to finish reading the article.

Yeah, you did. And then you went out of your way to post a reply on here as well.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

Most people already believe Federer is a GOAT. A poll of thousands had 98% saying yes he's the GOAT, and 2% no.

A higher percentage therefore believe Federer is the GOAT than believe the world wasn't t created in 6 days.

@sureshs

 

[GabeT]

There are no goats

 

[Gary Duane]

Remember, Fed is 5 years older than Nadal. Regardless of what Fed does Sunday, were Nadal to get one of the next two, along with RG, it's on again. Hell, the second Nadal wins a slam, it begins again.

It won't end until both are retired.

This is so right!!!

 

[Gary Duane]

What often goes unconsidered is that Federer may be the second-best clay-court player the men's game has seen.

No. A thousand times, no.

A younger Nadal ate Fed for breakfast on clay. I don't hear anyone claiming that someone Borg beat regularly should be the second-best we've seen.

Fed and Novak are 2nd and 3rd best of this period, each with arguments in his favor.

 

[HowsItGoin]

No. A thousand times, no.

A younger Nadal ate Fed for breakfast on clay. I don't hear anyone claiming that someone Borg beat regularly should be the second-best we've seen.

Fed and Novak are 2nd and 3rd best of this period, each with arguments in his favor.

The point is the finals he made you absolute idiot.

 

[Gary Duane]

The point is the finals he made you absolute idiot.

Are you sure I'm not just a relative idiot?

Nice to meet you too.

 

[Gary Duane]

The point is the finals he made you absolute idiot.

Oh, and this:

"What often goes unconsidered is that Federer may be the second-best clay-court player the men's game has seen."

If it's all about making finals, what about Borg, obviously 2nd only to Nadal in winning RG and who was prevented from even playing their one year.

Remember, the guy said "second best best ever"...

 

[Russeljones]

"To all those Rafael Nadal fans - don't get your knickers in a twist. Instead, pull the undies out of your crack, bounce your balls 15 times and ponder the proof served up."

Lol wtf this sounds like something someone from TTW would say

Yeah, not exactly journalism.

 

[Gary Duane]

Yeah, not exactly journalism.

And not exactly neutral.

I agree with some of his points, but they could be better expressed...

 

[HowsItGoin]

Are you sure I'm not just a relative idiot?

Nice to meet you too.

I apologise for the idiot remark. Hungover me is an @$$. I do get your point but I don't think Nadal's clay dominance over Federer necessarily ruins Fed's 2nd best ever argument, even if it is futile due to other reasons.

 

[Sentinel]

Fed is boring and Nadal is more exciting - better looking too

The pre-serve routing is certainly exciting.

 

[Gazelle]

People keep making the same mistake.

The GOAT debate is not between Federer and Nadal.

It's between Federer and Laver.

 

[Sentinel]

The article is quite provocative and fanboyish. The writer should have stuck to facts and not made silly statements to rub Nadal the wrong way.

It's awfully disrespectful of a great player. Usually Roger is referred to as "one of the greatest of all time". The only time I hear other players saying he is the GOAT is when they are asked, and they feel uncomfortable saying no.

They are both among the greatest of all time and why one needs to declare a GOAT is beyond me. It sort of smacks of some kind of insecurity.

 

[Sentinel]

People keep making the same mistake.

The GOAT debate is not between Federer and Nadal.

It's between Federer and Laver.

How do you decide between two players of different eras ?
Laver had 2 CYGS's.

 

[augustobt]

Are you guys seriously discussing with a poor Nadal troll that joined last month in the middle of Roland Garros 2017? Come on.

 

[Gazelle]

How do you decide between two players of different eras ?
Laver had 2 CYGS's.

You don't. That's why there's still a debate.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Are you guys seriously discussing with a poor Nadal troll that joined the month in the middle of Roland Garros 2017? Come on.

FYI

I exchange a couple of posts with them and after I am sure they go on ignore.

I must have added close to 20 only in the last two months.

 

[Sentinel]

FYI

I exchange a couple of posts with them and after I am sure they go on ignore.

I must have added close to 20 only in the last two months.

Pls give me their names in a Private Conv if you don't mind.

 

[augustobt]

FYI

I exchange a couple of posts with them and after I am sure they go on ignore.

I must have added close to 20 only in the last two months.

hahahaha I don't put anyone on ignore list. It's always fun to see the replies they get after nonsensical posts.

 

[KarmaKorps]

Roger Federer has earned the mantle as the greatest of all-time


https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opini...-earned-the-mantle-as-the-greatest-of-alltime

About the H2H. Rafa dominates 13 out of 15 clay meetings, and yet the H2H is nearly even outside of clay (Nadal down by 2 wins). Your stats don't do very much to dispel the H2H domination. However, I agree Fed is superior overall in terms of slam counts across the various surfaces. For most, this is more important than the H2H, but I can tell you that the H2H disparity is on everyone's mind no matter which side you're on. It's interesting to see how often Pete Sampras comments on it. Im sure Roger dwells just a bit on it too.
As someone else pointed out, Rafa is 5 years younger, and seems very hungry to play more tennis. But Fed is a young 35 yr old - so who knows how this all plays out. Until then, it seems a bit pointless to issue grand statements about which one is the GOAT. It's all still in progress....

 

[ibbi]

That sounds like it was written by one of the idiots on this forum. He doesn't say a single thing of significance beyond parroting the same old stuff. Trying to pick out a dumbest part. It's tough. I am shocked you would post this. Might as well have linked to a Tennisanity post. Will have to read Roger Federer as Religious Experience again to cleanse my brain.

 

[guanzishou]

Fed is boring and Nadal is more exciting - better looking too

Yeah Nadal exciting to watch, especially when he starts charging like a bull attacking the door frame with his almighty horns. He is the definition of entertainment.

 

[Gary Duane]

I apologise for the idiot remark. Hungover me is an @$$. I do get your point but I don't think Nadal's clay dominance over Federer necessarily ruins Fed's 2nd best ever argument, even if it is futile due to other reasons.

I don't think Nadal's dominance negates the play of other players either.

I would put both Djokovic and Federer very high on any list of clay players, and both have been very unlucky to be playing big tournies in the Nadal era.

However, the same is true of anyone playing on clay during Borg's reign of terror, and Borg single-handedly stopped anyone from winning a Wimbledon for five years.

And so on...

My objection was to the idea of "second-best". I thought that was over-the-top, and I still do.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

At the slams, Federer has 3 titles on Rebound Ace, 2 titles/1 RU on Plexicushion, 5 titles/2 RUs on Pro Deco Turf, 7 (8) titles/4 (3) RUs on grass, and 1 title/4 RUs (all to Nadal) on clay. Roger is not only the GOAT, but the all-surface king.

Shocking...How could you have missed out the blue clay?

 

[lud]

Moment when Federer becomes greatest of all time, IMHO.

 

[Smasher08]

McEnroe switches sides every other month.

 

[augustobt]

McEnroe switches sides every other month.

The biggest bandwagonner in the whole world.

In 2013 he said that "Nadal is the best volleyer in the top 100". Whoever is the #1 out of Fed/Djok/Nadal is the greatest ever in his opinion.

 

[Smasher08]

How do you decide between two players of different eras?

Easy peasy!

You just wait for 60s Weed to decree that the winner of a specific match gets all the marbles!

 

[Smasher08]

People keep making the same mistake.

The GOAT debate is not between Federer and Nadal.

It's between Federer and Laver.

It's between 60s Weed and sureshs.

 

[Mustard]

I prefer Nadal as a tennis player. Nadal is the best big match player in the 21st century. Nadal has the greatest tennis dominance with his record on clay, while also claiming the scalp of Federer at Wimbledon and the Australian Open, and claiming the scalp of Djokovic at the US Open. Some Federer fans don't like this, which is why some of them are obsessed with attacking Nadal and promoting Federer as GOAT, when GOAT is a subjective title anyway. Nadal was a thorn in Federer's side for a long time, and many Federer fans hate this. Not only do they hate it, but they have to attempt to eradicate the memory of it.

 

[Tennisanity]

I prefer Nadal as a tennis player. Nadal is the best big match player in the 21st century. Nadal has the greatest tennis dominance with his record on clay, while also claiming the scalp of Federer at Wimbledon and the Australian Open, and claiming the scalp of Djokovic at the US Open. Some Federer fans don't like this, which is why some of them are obsessed with attacking Nadal and promoting Federer as GOAT, when GOAT is a subjective title anyway. Nadal was a thorn in Federer's side for a long time, and many Federer fans hate this. Not only do they hate it, but they have to attempt to eradicate the memory of it.

Sure as long as you agree, Nadal is second fiddle

 

[TMF]

LOL you can't add the WTF, why not add the Olympics that Rafa won on HARDCOURT. WTF is nowhere near the slams. You can only add USO and AO, and Rafa would have 1.5 title average > 1 title for Roger on clay.

Murray got zero points for winning the Olympic but received 1,500 points for winning the WTF. Big difference.

 

[TMF]

And there are just tons and tons of other metrics you can look at and find gaping holes in people's resumes compared to Federer.

Nadal for example has never defended a title off clay. Think about it. Federer has defended tons of titles, some of them 3 or 4 times - including 3 of the 4 majors. Outside of clay Nadal hasn't done it even once.

When looked at as a complete body of work there is just no-one close to Federer's level of achievement (not even Serena).

You just open a can of worms.

 

[TennisATP]

Murray got zero points for winning the Olympic but received 1,500 points for winning the WTF. Big difference.

Lol that's because WTF is an official ATP event and it's also yearly. I'm pretty sure most top players would rather have the single gold medal at the Olympics then a WTF title.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I prefer Nadal as a tennis player. Nadal is the best big match player in the 21st century. Nadal has the greatest tennis dominance with his record on clay, while also claiming the scalp of Federer at Wimbledon and the Australian Open, and claiming the scalp of Djokovic at the US Open. Some Federer fans don't like this, which is why some of them are obsessed with attacking Nadal and promoting Federer as GOAT, when GOAT is a subjective title anyway. Nadal was a thorn in Federer's side for a long time, and many Federer fans hate this. Not only do they hate it, but they have to attempt to eradicate the memory of it.

What a hate speech!

Here, enjoy:

 

[Jaelyn]

The reporter seems more interested in dissing Nadal then praising Federer. I didn't even bother to finish reading the article.

Federer fans I think know Nadal is GoAT that's why we keep seeing all these comments trying to proclaim Federer as goat. Its the classic symptom of denial.

Federer fans obsess over Nadal. Perhaps its because of La Decima.

But given their careers aren't even over this constant obsession over Nadal speaks volumes as to what they truly believe.

If as is likely Nadal becomes no.1 and wins USO ill guarantee there will be accusations of doping against Nadal. I feel sorry for Nadal haters I really do.

Most Nadal fans I know are rooting for Federer tomorrow. Says it all really.

 

[TennisATP]

What a hate speech!

Here, enjoy:

Congratulations to Federer for beating Nadal for the first time in 10 years in a slam improving to 3-9.