And this is rather extreme example comparing Safin and Ferrer. There is another guy like Safin but has at least some passion for the game. Like Del Potro.ELO measures your average performance; not your peak. So yeah, guys like Stan will be punished, due to his rather pedestrian .620 career winning pct. And ditto for Safin. It makes sense. Safin lost a lot of matches to people ranked several rungs below him.
If I were a betting man, I’d be afraid to bet on Safin; mainly because I have no idea if he’s going to get drunk until the wee hours of the morning before a match, or if he’ll show up in perfect shape. The guy was incredibly interesting; He played arguably two of the greatest hardcourt matches I have ever seen. But he has also lost to several opponents that Ferrer would regularly eat for lunch.
It makes sense that Safin has a low ELO, which measures your average performance.
That being said, I’d much rather have Federer face Ferrer than Safin. Ferrer didn’t have the tools to beat Fed very often very often. But Safin, if not hungover and while clicking, could beat anybody.
But yes, titles are what matter. So Safin> Ferrer. But Ferrer had the better ELO. Ferrer was far more consistent. His average level of play was higher than Safin’s. It makes sense.
Sinner will join this list after AOAmong active players only 4 guys even reached 2200 ever.
1. Djokovic 2470
2. Murray 2347
3. Alcaraz 2239
4. Nishikori 2210
No one else ever even crossed 2200 among active players. ELO does reward consistency. So that means even Medvedev going on huge streaks is not consistent enough.
I agree as well. But we need to see him have a season where he wins at least 6 titles, 3 of them being big titles the very leastI watched him last night. My eye test tells me he is at 2200+ ELO.
I watched him last night. My eye test tells me he is at 2200+ ELO.
Above 2200 ELO right? @Rovesciarete
Above 2200 ELO right? @Rovesciarete
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Rank | Player | Age | Elo | Peak Age | Peak Elo |
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1 | 22.4 | 2234.6 | 22.4 | 2234.6 | |
2 | 36.6 | 2216.1 | 28.8 | 2470.3 | |
3 | 20.6 | 2139.0 | 20.2 | 2239.7 | |
4 | 27.9 | 2122.6 | 25.9 | 2191.9 | |
5 | 26.7 | 2054.8 | 24.7 | 2161.7 | |
6 | 26.2 | 2048.1 | 23.4 | 2106.2 | |
7 | 32.6 | 2023.8 | 23.2 | 2090.6 | |
8 | 26.9 | 1987.6 | 26.7 | 1998.8 | |
9 | 24.9 | 1976.2 | 20.8 | 1993.5 | |
10 | 25.4 | 1968.0 | 22.8 | 2133.4 | |
11 | 26.2 | 1963.3 | 25.4 | 2041.3 | |
12 | 20.7 | 1940.3 | 20.0 | 2070.1 | |
13 | 25.5 | 1936.1 | 25.5 | 1946.9 | |
14 | 25.0 | 1917.2 | 23.4 | 2064.0 | |
15 | 27.3 | 1899.7 | 26.2 | 2072.6 | |
16 | 22.0 | 1899.6 | 22.0 | 1929.0 | |
17 | 23.4 | 1886.6 | 22.2 | 2053.1 | |
18 | 27.6 | 1876.0 | 22.4 | 2015.3 | |
19 | 26.6 | 1875.0 | 25.8 | 1953.3 | |
20 | 21.2 | 1872.2 | 21.0 | 1924.3 |
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@nolefam_2024 7 titles seem likely for Sinner this seasonIt is done folks, according to Tennisabstract's Elo, Jannik Sinner is with 2234.6 points the strongest player of the Tour:
Rank Player Age Elo Peak Age Peak Elo 1 22.4 2234.6 22.4 2234.6 2 36.6 2216.1 28.8 2470.3 3 20.6 2139.0 20.2 2239.7 4 27.9 2122.6 25.9 2191.9 5 26.7 2054.8 24.7 2161.7 6 26.2 2048.1 23.4 2106.2 7 32.6 2023.8 23.2 2090.6 8 26.9 1987.6 26.7 1998.8 9 24.9 1976.2 20.8 1993.5 10 25.4 1968.0 22.8 2133.4 11 26.2 1963.3 25.4 2041.3 12 20.7 1940.3 20.0 2070.1 13 25.5 1936.1 25.5 1946.9 14 25.0 1917.2 23.4 2064.0 15 27.3 1899.7 26.2 2072.6 16 22.0 1899.6 22.0 1929.0 17 23.4 1886.6 22.2 2053.1 18 27.6 1876.0 22.4 2015.3 19 26.6 1875.0 25.8 1953.3 20 21.2 1872.2 21.0 1924.3
Among the active players only three have achieved a higher Elo peak: Djokovic with the absurd 2470,3, at amazing 2347,2 and Alcaraz edging him slightly with 2239,7. With a good run in Rotterdam he should overtake him, we will see.
Rank Player Age Elo HardRaw ClayRaw GrassRaw hElo cElo gElo Peak Match Peak Age Peak Elo 2 36.6 2216.1 2119.2 1960.1 1898.1 2167.6 2088.1 2057.1 2016 Miami F 28.8 2470.3 32 36.6 1840.3 1701.7 1752.5 1740.6 1771.0 1796.4 1790.5 2017 Doha SF 29.6 2347.2 3 20.6 2139.0 1976.8 2039.0 1909.3 2057.9 2089.0 2024.2 2023 Canada R16 20.2 2239.7 1 22.4 2234.6 2164.3 1913.5 1733.0 2199.4 2074.1 1983.8 2024 Australian Open F 22.4 2234.6
Ferrer's peak was not as high as Stans, Delpo's and others, but he was more consistent playing at a high level.Peak elo doesn't mean Ferrers peak tennis level was higher than Waws and Safin LMAO. That's not what it measures. Jesus christ.
7 titles overall seems very realistic now. You said this a few months ago. Well now, you have our attention. Sinner is the real deal.@nolefam_2024 7 titles seem likely for Sinner this season
Alcaraz (as #1) beat #2, #3 and #6 last Wimby, which is pretty close.And another thing: Sinner beat 3 players ranked in the top-5 at this AO. I can’t remember the last time that anybody did that.
What is Sinner going to do on grass if he is as serve dominant as he was at AO?@nolefam_2024 7 titles seem likely for Sinner this season
What is Sinner going to do on grass if he is as serve dominant as he was at AO?