Tennis Records That Will Likely Never Be Broken

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Not close to Laver's 2 Grand Slams. 53 & 46 years. Generations of tennis history, yet the zenith of tennis still stands.

That is not the way to measure whether a record will stand or not. It has been achieved in the womens already. And men have come close.

Chances of someone to get 10 FO titles is practically zero. While Novak may get the CYGS next year.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
...and that's the point. Two Grand Slams.
Amateur slams during the pre-open era with a split field are NOT equivalent to the slams in the open era. Laver wasn't even considered the best player in 1962, he was an amateur while the best players played in the pro league.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe they're referring to a pro Slam no one heard about; '67! I never knew each major had a pro event before '68! ;-)
No. The CYGS is achieved by winning 4 Grand Slam titles in a season, and it has been done only once by Laver in the open era. The pro majors only has 3 tournaments in a year, not 4. And again, pre-open era don't compete with a full field until the two circuits(amateur & pro) merged in 1968 which both circuits get to compete at the 4 slam events.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
24 consecutive victories vs. top ten players could definitely be broken.
Isner/Mahut, obviously
 

xan

Hall of Fame
isner mahut and nadal 9 (and counting) rg's.
those two are the only ones i really believe wont be broken ever. everything else is possible imho.
 

Fiero425

Legend
No. The CYGS is achieved by winning 4 Grand Slam titles in a season, and it has been done only once by Laver in the open era. The pro majors only has 3 tournaments in a year, not 4. And again, pre-open era don't compete with a full field until the two circuits(amateur & pro) merged in 1968 which both circuits get to compete at the 4 slam events.

Thanks! Until recently I had no idea the pros even had an event at 3 majors before the OPEN era; jr. vets, Vets, & legends, but that was it! Commentators didn't bring it up and I rarely missed matches on TV; esp. back in the 70's and 80's! ;-)
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
And men have come close.

There is no "close"--no consolation prize for just showing up and making an effort. One wins the Grand Slam, or they do not. Yes, that means Federer, Serena and others. I mentioned Laver, but if you jump to Graf, the status remains, since its been 27 years since that GOAT achievement. Other records have been broken repeatedly in that time, but no one can touch the ultimate in the three tennis generations of innumerable strong or great players operating since that time.

Chances of someone to get 10 FO titles is practically zero. While Novak may get the CYGS next year.

They said that about Novak in 2015. That did not work out so well. Serena was THE tennis story of this decade (if not the century so far) in trying to achieve the Grand Slam in 2015, and again, that did not work out so well. The reason is the difference between the masters, and the great players. Significant to almost inestimable degrees.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
There is no "close"--no consolation prize for just showing up and making an effort. One wins the Grand Slam, or they do not. Yes, that means Federer, Serena and others. I mentioned Laver, but if you jump to Graf, the status remains, since its been 27 years since that GOAT achievement. Other records have been broken repeatedly in that time, but no one can touch the ultimate in the three tennis generations of innumerable strong or great players operating since that time.



They said that about Novak in 2015. That did not work out so well. Serena was THE tennis story of this decade (if not the century so far) in trying to achieve the Grand Slam in 2015, and again, that did not work out so well. The reason is the difference between the masters, and the great players. Significant to almost inestimable degrees.

Laver's record did not even stand 20 years. Similarly Graf's record will also be broken. But Rafa's will not be. It just needs 1 year of great performance to be a Laver or Graf. You need 10 years of maintaining your level to beat Rafa.

Post a poll if you have any doubt and you will find that there would be more people willing to bet Graf's record would be beaten before Rafa's.
 
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pc1

G.O.A.T.
No. The CYGS is achieved by winning 4 Grand Slam titles in a season, and it has been done only once by Laver in the open era. The pro majors only has 3 tournaments in a year, not 4. And again, pre-open era don't compete with a full field until the two circuits(amateur & pro) merged in 1968 which both circuits get to compete at the 4 slam events.
Laver won the Wimbledon Pro of 1967, the most important tournament perhaps in the Old Pro Tour history along with the other Pro Majors in 1967. Since a Grand Slam is the winning of the most important tournaments I would say it was the Greatest Pro Grand Slam with FOUR BIG TOURNAMENTS WON!
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Laver
Most tournaments won one year-22
Most tournaments won two years-38
Most tournaments won three years-52
Most tournaments won four years-65
Most tournaments won five years-83
 

xFedal

Legend
Laver
Most tournaments won one year-22
Most tournaments won two years-38
Most tournaments won three years-52
Most tournaments won four years-65
Most tournaments won five years-83
83 Tournaments won in 5 years, which tournaments were these then? Full field? 5 match to win? Or 2 or 3 match to win a tournament?
 

Fiero425

Legend
Laver
Most tournaments won one year-22
Most tournaments won two years-38
Most tournaments won three years-52
Most tournaments won four years-65
Most tournaments won five years-83

That's why Laver's so highly regarded, but unfortunately he could only play who was in front of him! Missing out playing against top pros while he was still an amateur, then unable to compete for over 5 years at the majors due to his own status changing in '64! These numbers are a little unfair, skewing it a bit with a few early streaks of a lifetime! Like most GOAT's, as well as he was overall in both eras, he had his troubles; OTTH Rosewall and Hoad probably prevented further greatness on his part! IIRC Hoad started out 8-0 over Laver; even though he didn't take the game seriously and went off to war for a while! He was 1 match from his own GS in '56 to give it some perspective! He owned the 50's and won quite a few Pro Slams then and in 60's! By the time I started watching tennis on TV, Rosewall pretty much had Laver's number; defeating him in 2 heartbreakingly long WCT Championship Finals! Who does that sound like today? Hmmmm! ;-)
 
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pc1

G.O.A.T.
83 Tournaments won in 5 years, which tournaments were these then? Full field? 5 match to win? Or 2 or 3 match to win a tournament?
It was the years 1964 to 1968 so it was the Old Pro Tour and Open Tennis. Laver probably would have maintained the same pace if it was always Open Tennis considering he won 46 tournaments from 1968 to 1970, the first three years of the Open Era.
 

theroguedog

New User
Records held by Jimmy Connors:

(a couple of these are "shared" and at least one eclipsed by Federer, but how about the category - "the most diverse records held by one player" as a record in and of itself. No reason to start a new thread, just helping you youngins be aware of greatness sometimes forgotten.

To begin with - Connors is the only man to win U.S. Open singles championships on grass, clay, and hard courts.

Most ATP singles titles won: 109.
Most WCT singles titles won: 48.
Most singles matches won on ATP WCT Grand Prix tours: 1,242.
Most singles matches played in a career: 1,519
Most ATP singles finals in a career: 158.
Most carpet court titles in a career: 44.
Most grass court titles won in a year (1974): 4.
Most hard court titles won in a year (1973): 9 (shared with Roger Federer).
Most indoor court titles in a career: 54.
Most consecutive years with a match winning percentage over 80% (1973–84): 12.
Most career Majors match wins: 232 (shared with Roger Federer).
Most career Majors match wins on grass: 107
Most Majors semifinals: 31.
Most Majors quarterfinals: 41
Most consecutive semifinals at an individual Grand Slam tournament: 12 at US Open.
Most match wins at a single grand slam tournament US Open: 98.
Most match wins at a single grand slam tournament Wimbledon: 84.
Most career match wins overall on grass courts: 169.
Best match winning percentage at the Australian Open 91.7% (11–1).
Best Majors win–loss record in a single year (1974) 100% (20–0) (shared with Rod Laver).
Most Grand Prix championship series tiles won in a year (1976): 5 (shared with Rod Laver).
Most years finishing in the top ten: 16 (shared with Andre Agassi).
Most US Open men's singles titles: 5 (shared with Pete Sampras and Roger Federer).
Most years ended in the top 3: 12
Most consecutive years ended in the Top 3 (1973-84):12.
Most years ended in the top 5: 14
Most consecutive years ended in the top 10 (1973-88):16
Most consecutive weeks ranked inside the top 10: 788.
Most consecutive years winning at least 5 tour titles per year(1972-1980): 9
Won at least one Major title on at least three different surfaces (shared with Mats Wilander, Andre Agassi, Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal).
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
Laver won the Wimbledon Pro of 1967, the most important tournament perhaps in the Old Pro Tour history along with the other Pro Majors in 1967. Since a Grand Slam is the winning of the most important tournaments I would say it was the Greatest Pro Grand Slam with FOUR BIG TOURNAMENTS WON!

Unlike most of these this will not be broken. Can't see a Wimbledon Pro again ever, Laver's Wimbledon Pro titles 1 will never be beaten or equaled, great. It's not really a Grand Slam regardless how you twist it, but at least more correct than
The CYGS is achieved by winning 4 Grand Slam titles in a season
, that would be winning 16 majors in a year which is impossible. Really people should stop calling Majors, Grand Slams, it's as bad as call a series a "The World Series" involving one country.

My pick,
J Connors, 3 consecutive finals on clay at US Open.
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
24 consecutive victories vs. top ten players could definitely be broken.
Isner/Mahut, obviously

Even in a year when Djokovic had a huge amount of wins against top 10 players he could not fashion 25 in a row. So no I think that record is very safe.
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
Records held by Jimmy Connors:

(a couple of these are "shared" and at least one eclipsed by Federer, but how about the category - "the most diverse records held by one player" as a record in and of itself. No reason to start a new thread, just helping you youngins be aware of greatness sometimes forgotten.

To begin with - Connors is the only man to win U.S. Open singles championships on grass, clay, and hard courts.

Most career Majors match wins: 232 (shared with Roger Federer).
Most Majors semifinals: 31.
Most Majors quarterfinals: 41
Most years ended in the top 3: 12

Roger has 297 Majors match wins.(Stands alone)
Roger has 38 men's Major semifinals overall(Stands alone)
Roger has 46 men's Major quarter-finals overall(Stands alone)
Roger has finished in the top 3 12 times(ties all time record)

and has blown by Connors in the first 3 a long time ago.
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Unlike most of these this will not be broken. Can't see a Wimbledon Pro again ever, Laver's Wimbledon Pro titles 1 will never be beaten or equaled, great. It's not really a Grand Slam regardless how you twist it, but at least more correct than , that would be winning 16 majors in a year which is impossible. Really people should stop calling Majors, Grand Slams, it's as bad as call a series a "The World Series" involving one country.

My pick,
J Connors, 3 consecutive finals on clay at US Open.
PM, I never use the term Grand Slam for winning one major. Laver in 1967 won the Wimbledon Pro, the US Pro, the French Pro and Wembley which is a Pro Grand Slam. Laver won the four top tournaments in the Pro Ranks in 1967.

I think your pick won't ever be broken because it's tough enough to reach three straight finals in a major but the US Open may never ever move back to har tru. Nice choice.
 
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Reaching four slam finals, eight masters finals and WTF championship match in one season. I don't even think Novak can repeat this.
 
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70sHollywood

Guest
Trivia question: As far as I'm aware only one current no,1 has beaten the current no.2 6-0 6-0 for either gender.
Do you know which players?
Where the match took place, the year?

Nobody?????

I know!

"Incidentally", has anyone in any sport managed to beat 13 consecutive years winning a major? Obviously in some sports it is hard to quantify what constitutes a major.


As for the OP, I don't think anyone has yet mentioned Federer winning 4 consecutive W/US in the same year.

Suzanne Lenglen and Helen Wills Moody have some records that are unbeatable.

Wasn't there a player in the 19th century who played Wimbledon once, won it, and never played again? That was literally the only time he played, so he retired with a Wimbledon title and a 100% record?
 
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pc1

G.O.A.T.
I know!

"Incidentally", has anyone in any sport managed to beat 13 consecutive years winning a major? Obviously in some sports it is hard to quantify what constitutes a major.


As for the OP, I don't think anyone has yet mentioned Federer winning 4 consecutive W/US in the same year.

Suzanne Lenglen and Helen Wills Moody have some records that are unbeatable.

Wasn't there a player in the 19th century who played Wimbledon once, won it, and never played again? That was literally the only time he played, so he retired with a Wimbledon title and a 100% record?
I believe Lenglen may have won 182 matches in a row. I also believe she won Wimbledon with the loss of only eleven games the whole tournament in 1923.
 
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tacou

G.O.A.T.
Even in a year when Djokovic had a huge amount of wins against top 10 players he could not fashion 25 in a row. So no I think that record is very safe.
sure, it's safe, but I do not think it's even close to untouchable. 50, 75 years from now, I'm sure someone will manage it.
Now, a 12 hour match occurring at any point in the future? Seems much more unlikely
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Laver won the Wimbledon Pro of 1967, the most important tournament perhaps in the Old Pro Tour history along with the other Pro Majors in 1967. Since a Grand Slam is the winning of the most important tournaments I would say it was the Greatest Pro Grand Slam with FOUR BIG TOURNAMENTS WON!

I'm not denying it's a great feat, but it's not a CYGS. You can't equate pro majors in the same vein as the modern 4 Grand Slam events in a year. Call it what you want, but no one except a few of his diehard fan say Laver won the Grand Slam in 1967.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
I can't believe I have to repost this again.

Please stop equating 1960s tournaments with Open Era majors

When people want to argue for the greatness of present players like Federer or Sampras, they sometimes point to total victories of major tournaments (Wimbledon, FO, USO, AO), where Federer (16) and Sampras (14) top the list. This is an absurd argument, because those specific four tournaments didn’t always mean what they do today, for reasons that vary by era. To whatever degree that list matters, it matters only from the mid-1980s onward and can’t be used to compare recent players to those of earlier eras.

Similarly, when people want to argue for the greatness of past players like Laver or Rosewall, they sometimes point to total victories of the top tournaments from the professional tour of the 1960s. With all due respect, I believe that this too is completely wrong. Pro majors were different from Open majors, and they should not be treated the same way.

The three big differences between pro and Open majors are these:

1. From 1963-1967, all pro majors were played on fast surfaces.

2. Pro majors had fields of anywhere from 8 to 14 players, as opposed to 128 players.

3. Amateurs, who were among the world’s best players, could not compete in pro majors.


These things made it easier to win pro majors in bunches, which aided Laver and Rosewall in winning so many of them.

To be clear: You can only play who’s in front of you, and you can only play on the surfaces that are being used. It’s not Laver’s fault that things were like this in the mid-1960s. Also, Point #3 shouldn’t be overstated. The pro majors of the mid-1960s typically included 4 out of the 5 best players in the world, with only Roy Emerson missing. Emerson certainly wasn’t as good as Laver or Rosewall, though his absence did matter, as did the absence of other amateurs who were among the top 10 or top 15 players in the world.

To illustrate what pro majors were like, here’s an accounting of Laver’s major wins in 1967. I've supplied rough, theoretical 2011 equivalents of the opponents if Djokovic (the current #1) were substituted for Laver:

1. US Pro (field of 14): Laver beat Olmedo, Ayala, Stolle, and Gimeno
2011 equivalent: if Djokovic beat Seppi, Chela, Monfils, and Murray

2. Wimbledon Pro (field of eight): Laver beat Stolle, Gimeno, and Rosewall
2011 equivalent: if Djokovic beat Monfils, Murray, and Nadal

3. French Pro (field of 12): Laver beat MacKay, Stolle, and Gimeno
2011 equivalent: if Djokovic beat Malisse, Monfils, and Murray

4. Wembley Pro (field of 12): Laver beat MacKay, Davidson, and Rosewall
2011 equivalent: if Djokovic beat Malisse, Almagro, and Nadal



Bottom Line

Laver’s achievement in sweeping those four tournaments in 1967 was very impressive and significant, just as it would be very impressive and significant if Djokovic were to beat the equivalent players from 2011 in four important tournaments (two on grass and two on a fast indoor surface, with fields of 8 to 14 players) in a calendar year.

But that achievement was not nearly as impressive or significant as Laver’s achievement in 1969 of winning the Grand Slam.

The pro tour of the 1960s was terrific, and its best players were as great as those of any other era. But the right way to assess those players is not to count up majors from that era as if they were the same as majors of other eras. The 1960s majors were less difficult to sweep than Open majors from the mid-1980s to the present.

Pro majors ≠ Open majors
 

urban

Legend
I found some odd records in Lance Tingays Guiness Book of Tennis Facts and feats from 1983. Not sure if some were broken in the meantime.
18 Matchpoits saved by Wilmer Allison vs. Giorgio di Stefani in DC at RG in 1930.
Longest Rally in Nov. 1977 by Cari Hagey and Colette Kavanagh. Opening Point of the second set lasted 51 and a half minutes and 1029 exchanges.
48 straight points won in a singles by Hazel Hotchkiss in Seattle 1910.
Shortest match in time: 16 minutes by Brookes/ Wilding over Gore/ Roper-Barrett at Beckenham 1914.
17 successive double faults (no, not Sharapova): de Amorin (Bra) at Wimbledon 1957.
William F. White held 13 balls in one hand during play to spare time at Philadelphia 1930.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
sampras' 6 consecutive year end #1 looks unbeatable, heck even without consecutiveness it looks very difficult.......second is rafa's 81 consecutive match win streak on a single surface.......both very hard to topple......
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
I think we have to take the level of competition into account when talking about "records that will never be broken".

For instance, Lenglen and Wills Moody went years without losing a match, dropping a set etc - and that will obviously never be repeated. But that's not just because those two were great players, it's because they faced very poor competition.

To a certain extent, I consider Connors' 109 titles to fall into this category - many were racked up on tours where not all his main rivals were playing.

Men's records in the modern era which are extremely impressive and will be very difficult to break include:

- Rod Laver's 1969 CYGS (46 years on, and this has not even been equalled, despite generations of greats playing since; to "break" this, a player would need to win two CYGS's)
- Bjorn Borg's 3 consecutive Channel Slams (no-one since has even won two consecutive)
- Ivan Lendl's 8 consecutive US Open finals and 9 consecutive YEC finals
- Pete Sampras's 6 consecutive YE #1's
- Roger Federer's 23 consecutive slam semi-finals
- Rafael Nadal's clay feats (9 FO's, 81 consecutive match wins, 8 straight Monte Carlo titles)

Of these, Nadal's are probably the hardest to break - but because they're focused on just one surface, I think that breaking Laver's record, i.e. winning two CYGS's - which is almost as difficult - may be an even more impressive feat if it ever occurred.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
An unenviable record: Juan Antonio Marin appearing in 17 slams without winning a single match.

(Paolo Lorenzi lost his first 13, and Marino Matosevic lost his first 12, but still no-one has equalled Marin's "imperfect" record...)
 
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Cenarius

Guest
Winning at least 2 titles on each surface at the slams.Only Wilander and Nadal have done it.I think we aren't seeing this equaled or broken soon.

I still think this one is mighty notable.I don't see Nadal winning one more W or Federer 2 more FO to top that record.
 
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