The Crying Game starring Andy Murray

I can Forgive a Male Player for Crying after losing, or after a painful injury; but I can't stomach or endure a male player crying/sobbing for 3 minutes in Cathartic Relief/in front of cameras & crowd after Winning. Women typically cry when overcome with Joy, it's an Estrogen Thing or maybe it's their electrical wiring. Crying is a sign of vulnerability, effort to mollify an attacker, passivity, self-pity. I've never been comfortable with Andy Murray's choice of a female Coach in his evolution. I recall he played horribly under her tutelage. That was before he connected with Ivan Lendl. Murray has also been an active Feminist which is incongruous with Dominant male tennis star. Why he'd even be interested in Feminism is a mystery as inscrutable as the Sphinx. In my opinion Andy Murray should be fined $10K for a maudlin display unbecoming a male athlete. "What's Hecuba to him, or he to (Hecuba), That He should weep for her" Hamlet....I inferred that his Crying means he didn't expect to win, it was a surprise. If he didn't expect to win; then he shouldn't be playing. His verbal abuse of his box during match was a projection of his own failures, and lack of confidence. Andy Murray's has serious emotional issues, that exploded incoherently after match which was hard to watch. Traditional Male Heroes exude confidence, strength, stoicism, dignity, and emotional balance. Men are Not Capricious, but Constant. What's Next; an Andy Murray Crying Doll that sheds tears when he wins. Who will buy it; Feminists?
 

zverev2018

Semi-Pro
I can Forgive a Male Player for Crying after losing, or after a painful injury; but I can't stomach or endure a male player crying/sobbing for 3 minutes in Cathartic Relief/in front of cameras & crowd after Winning. Women typically cry when overcome with Joy, it's an Estrogen Thing or maybe it's their electrical wiring. Crying is a sign of vulnerability, effort to mollify an attacker, passivity, self-pity. I've never been comfortable with Andy Murray's choice of a female Coach in his evolution. I recall he played horribly under her tutelage. That was before he connected with Ivan Lendl. Murray has also been an active Feminist which is incongruous with Dominant male tennis star. Why he'd even be interested in Feminism is a mystery as inscrutable as the Sphinx. In my opinion Andy Murray should be fined $10K for a maudlin display unbecoming a male athlete. "What's Hecuba to him, or he to (Hecuba), That He should weep for her" Hamlet....I inferred that his Crying means he didn't expect to win, it was a surprise. If he didn't expect to win; then he shouldn't be playing. His verbal abuse of his box during match was a projection of his own failures, and lack of confidence. Andy Murray's has serious emotional issues, that exploded incoherently after match which was hard to watch. Traditional Male Heroes exude confidence, strength, stoicism, dignity, and emotional balance. Men are Not Capricious, but Constant. What's Next; an Andy Murray Crying Doll that sheds tears when he wins. Who will buy it; Feminists?

If you want a real strong man, choose Sascha Zverev.
 

Raining hopes

Hall of Fame
Are you human ?

Real men have real emotions. Crying is actually indicates how much you love something.


Are you telling me that you won't cry if you feel the one thing you have defined yourself by for your entire life is taken away? Murray is/was scared of losing his tennis career.



Sometimes I feel tough men here won't even shed a tear if their mother died. That would make you a man with serious issues not a real man
 

slal1984

Professional
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.**...l-nadal-cries-after-the-win-2018-french-open/

And whatever the OP said..!!
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
I can Forgive a Male Player for Crying after losing, or after a painful injury; but I can't stomach or endure a male player crying/sobbing for 3 minutes in Cathartic Relief/in front of cameras & crowd after Winning. Women typically cry when overcome with Joy, it's an Estrogen Thing or maybe it's their electrical wiring. Crying is a sign of vulnerability, effort to mollify an attacker, passivity, self-pity. I've never been comfortable with Andy Murray's choice of a female Coach in his evolution. I recall he played horribly under her tutelage. That was before he connected with Ivan Lendl. Murray has also been an active Feminist which is incongruous with Dominant male tennis star. Why he'd even be interested in Feminism is a mystery as inscrutable as the Sphinx. In my opinion Andy Murray should be fined $10K for a maudlin display unbecoming a male athlete. "What's Hecuba to him, or he to (Hecuba), That He should weep for her" Hamlet....I inferred that his Crying means he didn't expect to win, it was a surprise. If he didn't expect to win; then he shouldn't be playing. His verbal abuse of his box during match was a projection of his own failures, and lack of confidence. Andy Murray's has serious emotional issues, that exploded incoherently after match which was hard to watch. Traditional Male Heroes exude confidence, strength, stoicism, dignity, and emotional balance. Men are Not Capricious, but Constant. What's Next; an Andy Murray Crying Doll that sheds tears when he wins. Who will buy it; Feminists?
What do you love to do?
Maybe you like to play tennis. Maybe you don't. Anyway, imagine you do.
Imagine for a moment you live and breathe tennis. You want to be the greatest tennis player there ever was. You make it to the highest levels and walk among giants.
Then, all of a sudden, your hip breaks. You can't play tennis anymore. Your entire livelihood is destroyed.
You decide to undergo surgery. Of course, it costs you immense discomfort and pain for days.
You are dying to get back there, because you want nothing more than the sweet kiss of Wimbledon gold. So you try to get up and practice.
But your hip starts hurting again. All the hope and excitement you had of being back on the practice court just crashes into despair. Your trainer tells you to go back to resting.
After a few days, you are feeling better. The excitement is back. And so is Wimbledon. You rush out to the practice courts. This time you get through the old training drills without feeling any pain in your hip.
You decide to play Wimbledon. You travel to SW19. You can scarcely believe your surroundings. The thrill has returned. The mere thought of the Wimbledon trophy in your hands is irresistible.
One day, in practice....your hip gives in.
You are back to square one.
The wind is knocked straight out of you. You just went from enjoying one of the greatest moments in your life, to suffering one of the worst. In less than an hour.
You return home. Not a single match within your grasp.
It's been a year since you've played a single match. The thrill of victory has become a painfully distant memory.
In your desperation, you enter a small tourney you've hardly ever played.
You're drawn against someone you have no idea how to play.
You arrive on court. The feeling alone is the most wonderful in the world. But there is still work to be done.
You battle. You have your back against the wall. You are nearly on the verge of losing.
But you fight on. You find a way out. And suddenly, the match is over.
Victory.
You thought it was just a painful memory. But the thrill is all too real.
You doubted this moment would ever happened.
You practiced tirelessly, underwent painful surgeries, went through a rollercoaster of highs and lows enough to drive a weaker mind insane.
For this moment.


Now. Answer me honestly.
Would you get emotional at this moment? And would I be a complete douch3bag for calling you "not enough of a man" and your emotions as "shameful"?

If you answered no to either question, you are, most definitely, lying to yourself.

Andy Murray is more of a man than most men will ever be. Every time he steps on court, he fights with every fibre of his being, for every point. He never gives up, no matter the obstacles. Even when he has been written off by every tennis pundit and TTW armchair analyst. And that makes him a man. Not just a man, an idol, that we can all look up to as an example of true courage and persistence.
 
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Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
I can Forgive a Male Player for Crying after losing, or after a painful injury; but I can't stomach or endure a male player crying/sobbing for 3 minutes in Cathartic Relief/in front of cameras & crowd after Winning. Women typically cry when overcome with Joy, it's an Estrogen Thing or maybe it's their electrical wiring. Crying is a sign of vulnerability, effort to mollify an attacker, passivity, self-pity. I've never been comfortable with Andy Murray's choice of a female Coach in his evolution. I recall he played horribly under her tutelage. That was before he connected with Ivan Lendl. Murray has also been an active Feminist which is incongruous with Dominant male tennis star. Why he'd even be interested in Feminism is a mystery as inscrutable as the Sphinx. In my opinion Andy Murray should be fined $10K for a maudlin display unbecoming a male athlete. "What's Hecuba to him, or he to (Hecuba), That He should weep for her" Hamlet....I inferred that his Crying means he didn't expect to win, it was a surprise. If he didn't expect to win; then he shouldn't be playing. His verbal abuse of his box during match was a projection of his own failures, and lack of confidence. Andy Murray's has serious emotional issues, that exploded incoherently after match which was hard to watch. Traditional Male Heroes exude confidence, strength, stoicism, dignity, and emotional balance. Men are Not Capricious, but Constant. What's Next; an Andy Murray Crying Doll that sheds tears when he wins. Who will buy it; Feminists?

I cried when I saw no paragraphs.

 

Tennease

Legend
OK, I just wanna help OP here.



I can Forgive a Male Player for Crying after losing, or after a painful injury;

but I can't stomach or endure a male player crying/sobbing for 3 minutes in Cathartic Relief/in front of cameras & crowd after Winning.

Women typically cry when overcome with Joy, it's an Estrogen Thing or maybe it's their electrical wiring.

Crying is a sign of vulnerability, effort to mollify an attacker, passivity, self-pity.

I've never been comfortable with Andy Murray's choice of a female Coach in his evolution.

I recall he played horribly under her tutelage.


That was before he connected with Ivan Lendl.

Murray has also been an active Feminist which is incongruous with Dominant male tennis star.

Why he'd even be interested in Feminism is a mystery as inscrutable as the Sphinx.

In my opinion Andy Murray should be fined $10K for a maudlin display unbecoming a male athlete.

"What's Hecuba to him, or he to (Hecuba), That He should weep for her" Hamlet....I inferred that his Crying means he didn't expect to win, it was a surprise.


If he didn't expect to win; then he shouldn't be playing.

His verbal abuse of his box during match was a projection of his own failures, and lack of confidence.

Andy Murray's has serious emotional issues, that exploded incoherently after match which was hard to watch.

Traditional Male Heroes exude confidence, strength, stoicism, dignity, and emotional balance.

Men are Not Capricious, but Constant.


What's Next; an Andy Murray Crying Doll that sheds tears when he wins.

Who will buy it; Feminists?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Andy is a complex character who is surprisingly emotional, perhaps more so than any other player. This last year has been particularly difficult for him as he tries to come back from a potentially career-ending injury and all his mixed emotions came to a head after that long, late night match against Copil in Washington.

Just hoping it was catharsis and relief rather than a confirmation of any lingering doubts.
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
I can Forgive a Male Player for Crying after losing, or after a painful injury; but I can't stomach or endure a male player crying/sobbing for 3 minutes in Cathartic Relief/in front of cameras & crowd after Winning. Women typically cry when overcome with Joy, it's an Estrogen Thing or maybe it's their electrical wiring. Crying is a sign of vulnerability, effort to mollify an attacker, passivity, self-pity. I've never been comfortable with Andy Murray's choice of a female Coach in his evolution. I recall he played horribly under her tutelage. That was before he connected with Ivan Lendl. Murray has also been an active Feminist which is incongruous with Dominant male tennis star. Why he'd even be interested in Feminism is a mystery as inscrutable as the Sphinx. In my opinion Andy Murray should be fined $10K for a maudlin display unbecoming a male athlete. "What's Hecuba to him, or he to (Hecuba), That He should weep for her" Hamlet....I inferred that his Crying means he didn't expect to win, it was a surprise. If he didn't expect to win; then he shouldn't be playing. His verbal abuse of his box during match was a projection of his own failures, and lack of confidence. Andy Murray's has serious emotional issues, that exploded incoherently after match which was hard to watch. Traditional Male Heroes exude confidence, strength, stoicism, dignity, and emotional balance. Men are Not Capricious, but Constant. What's Next; an Andy Murray Crying Doll that sheds tears when he wins. Who will buy it; Feminists?


Go back to r/***** mate hahah
 

ADuck

Legend
I felt like I was the only who could read this post and just be interested by his/her perspective. Not that I share their views or anything, but still curious to hear an unpopular opinion once in a while.
 

Le Master

Professional
A lot of these guys are super beta. Murray is on another level for sure, but most the others aren't much better.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Wish I could be a 'loser' like him, bet the whole of the ATP does too (with the possible exception of 3 of them). :cool:

For some perspective, Angela Merkel is a world leader but still a loser. It's all about context.
 
People cry because they feel like crying. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

It is however shameful to think that you somehow are the judge of whether crying people should be granted your forgiveness. Good on Murray for not holding back if that's how he felt.
Just give me an Explanation for why a man cries after a Victory or Success. Sobs his heart out. Should other male players emulate him.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
For some perspective, Angela Merkel is a world leader but still a loser. It's all about context.

No-one who has been a world leader for as long as she has can credibly be described as a 'loser'. No-one who has been a world leader in tennis for as long as he has can credibly be described thus either. That's the only context that matters.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
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weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
No-one who has been a world leader for as long as she has can credibly be described as a 'loser'. No-one who has been a world leader in tennis for as long as he has can credibly be described thus either. That's the only context that matters.

Completely incorrect.
 
He has been brainwashed by a particular webpage (better not to mention it) which is anti-feminism, pro-masculinism, etc.
Please tell me the webpage that's sympathetic to my views. If You don't I may start Crying. I need some male bonding, some men that haven't been conditioned/compromised by aggressive females that suffer from phallic envy. Freud apropos women- ANATOMY is Her DESTINY
 
See post #26.



Get a serious hip injury that requires surgery and threatens to end their career? I sincerely hope not.
Murray's Tennis Career is Over. He's an emotional shipwreck; he's Now a Tennis Bawler. Why is coming back to Tennis paramount to his self esteem. Why does he only identify himself, as a Tennis Player. Aren't there other dimensions to his life worth pursuing. Is he so uni-dimensional that Tennis is only thing he can derive self-value from. In my opinion Murray was depressed and unstable before his hip injury. The Hip Injury only aggravated his depression. It's imperative that he accept his physical and emotional limitations, admit his tennis Career is over. Can't he find another reason to live besides Tennis. If he can't find a meaning to life, besides hitting a Tennis Ball, he'll forever be a Tennis Bawler. I'd Advise Suicide Watch
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Murray's Tennis Career is Over. He's an emotional shipwreck; he's Now a Tennis Bawler. Why is coming back to Tennis paramount to his self esteem. Why does he only identify himself, as a Tennis Player. Aren't there other dimensions to his life worth pursuing. Is he so uni-dimensional that Tennis is only thing he can derive self-value from. In my opinion Murray was depressed and unstable before his hip injury. The Hip Injury only aggravated his depression. It's imperative that he accept his physical and emotional limitations, admit his tennis Career is over. Can't he find another reason to live besides Tennis. If he can't find a meaning to life, besides hitting a Tennis Ball, he'll forever be a Tennis Bawler. I'd Advise Suicide Watch

Playing tennis is what he does and he still harbours ambitions in it that are not yet fulfilled. But his body is threatening that so either he cried with relief that it may be possible after all (hopefully) or with despair at the realisation it won't be (hopefully not).

But why do you think he was depressed before the injury kicked in? He was the world #1 with everything to play for!
 

Rhino

Legend
Just give me an Explanation for why a man cries after a Victory or Success. Sobs his heart out. Should other male players emulate him.

Other male players are not concerned with such meaningless trivial nonsense because they are all over 8 years old.

You have much to learn about life and about being funny. I hope you have a father figure to guide you.
 
Psychoanalysis is a pseudoscience.
Read Oedipus Rex by Sophocles. Read the Brother's Karamazov. Read Freud's Interpretation of Dreams.
Are you human ?

Real men have real emotions. Crying is actually indicates how much you love something.


Are you telling me that you won't cry if you feel the one thing you have defined yourself by for your entire life is taken away? Murray is/was scared of losing his tennis career.



Sometimes I feel tough men here won't even shed a tear if their mother died. That would make you a man with serious issues not a real man
Crying does not indicate how much you love something. Joy, Smiling or an Erotic Feeling indicates how much you love something. Crying is an expression of helplessness, neediness, feeling overwhelmed, need to be comforted, vulnerability, incapacity to cope with Trauma, Mourning, calling for Mommies Comfort, Fear of Loss of Love Object, Passivity. Crying is a regression to be a baby, & wanted to be cared for by Maternal Figure, attempt to mollify or ward off an attack by an aggressor, to surrender. Andy Murray had just won a Match. He should have been Happy, Confident, Fist Pumping, Pounding his Chest. I infer he Cried, because he didn't expect to win, he doesn't believe he's good enough to win, and it was a total surprise he won. I Don't think he'll ever win another Tournament. He has serious depressive issues and Low self-esteem. That's why even before Hip Injury, He would always curse himself, berate himself whenever he missed a shot. He's the Most Self-Loathing Player on Tour. He needs Psychotherapy. It's Not normal to define yourself by what you do. You define yourself by who you are; how you relate to others; Family, Friends, Strangers.
 
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