The Crying Game starring Andy Murray

[Azure]

Read Oedipus Rex by Sophocles. Read the Brother's Karamazov. Read Freud's Interpretation of Dreams.

Crying does not indicate how much you love something. Joy, Smiling or an Erotic Feeling indicates how much you love something. Crying is an expression of helplessness, neediness, feeling overwhelmed, need to be comforted, vulnerability, incapacity to cope with Trauma, Mourning, calling for Mommies Comfort, Fear of Loss of Love Object, Passivity. Crying is a regression to be a baby, & wanted to be cared for by Maternal Figure,

I was intrigued by your mentioning of Dostoevsky's work. Surely you must be aware of Rashkolnikov breaking down to embrace Sonya at the end of hard labour. Does that mean that one of the finest characters created by a maestro of literature was a sissy?

I am a firm believer in self-control of all sorts. That said, a greater form of self control finds in rebounding from momentary lapse of the very control. How quickly one returns to zero state matters more. If one is not moved by emotions, one is not human. I hope Andy's moment (by all means very emotional for him) was this one. I hope he gets back to his normal self. The guy is genuine and we needn't berate him for this show of emotion.

 

[Azure]

Not normal to define yourself by what you do. You define yourself by who you are; how you relate to others; Family, Friends, Strangers.

Another very interesting point. I chose my field of being a scientist because of the very reason that in real life I am a huge introvert. My job actually defines my personality very well which is why I enjoy doing what I do. I cannot be glib and talk to others which might actually suit a person in a marketing job, say. Am I not normal? My job is not everything but when I crack a problem it fills me with indescribable joy. Have we not seen people in other fields break down on discovering something? Andrew Wiles was overcome with indescribable emotions and broke down when he finally cracked Fermat's theorem. I think the top tennis players are wired all in the same way at some level- to win much much more than people like me can ever dream of. They live and breathe the sport for 30-35 odd years. It is an extension of them.

I am sorry if I am rambling but you bring about a very interesting argument.

 

[BeatlesFan]

1. Crying does not indicate how much you love something. Joy, Smiling or an Erotic Feeling indicates how much you love something.

2. It's Not normal to define yourself by what you do. You define yourself by who you are; how you relate to others; Family, Friends, Strangers.

I loved your post, beautifully expressed. But I disagree strongly with these two statements.

Haven't you ever cried during a movie or a song that is so beautiful that you're moved to tears? Crying obviously to millions of people (if not billions) also indicates and shows love. For those of us who love(d) our mothers, didn't many of us cry as adults when seeing her again after an absence? That's the very personification of love. I attend the opera regularly and many people in the audience are moved to tears over a particularly beautiful piece of music.

And most people do define themselves by their profession. I would never think to define myself as how I relate to my husband, colleagues or friends. Do you honestly think someone like Jack Nicklaus or Michael Jordan didn't define themselves entirely by their profession? It's the same with people who are doctors, lawyers, professors, or some other career which affords them a lucrative niche in the world.

I also completely disagree with your assessment of Andy. He's a funny, droll guy who shows his emotions and isn't afraid to do so.

 

[EllieK]

There is nothing wrong with honest emotion, and it doesn’t matter from which gender. As a woman, I actually admire a man who is genuine and if that means blubbering, well that’s okay. As a Federer fan, God knows I’ve seen enough bawling on court over the years. The only time it made me uncomfortable was AO 2009 but it was an honest outpouring from Federer. You don’t plan those things. The moment just takes over. Fed said in an interview once that he was ashamed of that but he also joked in an interview with Courier at 2010 AO about crying at his wedding “for those of you who know me, I got a little emotional” Let me tell you, the heart of 90% of the women in that stadium melted. Someone who really cares, whether it’s about tennis, family, job, the homeless, whatever it is that moves you, is someone I personally admire. Andy has been though a lot recently. A former #1 and slam winner who now finds himself ranked in the 800’s. It got to him. So what?