"The Dream is to win Roland Garros AGAIN" -- Roger Federer
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Imagine if you will the dream becoming manifest by virtue of the since-day-one boycott. In such a scenario—in which the major title tally increases by approx. 10—#30 would potentially be on the line here. Would an exception be made? Ditch the moral highground for filthy lucre?
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Given.
Russeljones
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Mind games.
He is pushing Nadal to overcommit.
He is pushing Nadal to overcommit.
Subway Tennis
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We always knew Roger still valued clay, it was only a portion of his fans who no longer wanted him to play on it. He still wanted to.
Roger has always been open about loving clay and acknowledged that if he thought he could still win there, he would play. The only reason he didnt play is that he felt he couldnt win, and felt it best to rest to potentially gain an advantage later in the year and quel the threat of injury.
His performamce this year, and to a certain extent some vulnerability shown by his rivals, is starting to change his mind on playing clay.
Roger is a student of the game and we shouldnt be suprised that surfaces like grass and clay still make his heart beat a little bit faster. The twin meccas of tennis arent going anywhere soon......
Roger has always been open about loving clay and acknowledged that if he thought he could still win there, he would play. The only reason he didnt play is that he felt he couldnt win, and felt it best to rest to potentially gain an advantage later in the year and quel the threat of injury.
His performamce this year, and to a certain extent some vulnerability shown by his rivals, is starting to change his mind on playing clay.
Roger is a student of the game and we shouldnt be suprised that surfaces like grass and clay still make his heart beat a little bit faster. The twin meccas of tennis arent going anywhere soon......
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
1/4 of his career.
Also speculation. He injured his knee in Melbourne and tried playing clay and said he didn't feel comfortable at all.
So he skipped it in 2017.
Thanks.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
One thing is certain.
Roger's uncharacteristic moves have brought out of the woodwork a number of "fans".
It is also possible that both groups of "well-wishers" get their wishes fulfilled and at the same time the reasons for those wishes remain largely uncovered.
The consequences from such a thing for the majority of the said "well-wishers" could be more epic than those from his AO win.
Roger's uncharacteristic moves have brought out of the woodwork a number of "fans".
It is also possible that both groups of "well-wishers" get their wishes fulfilled and at the same time the reasons for those wishes remain largely uncovered.
The consequences from such a thing for the majority of the said "well-wishers" could be more epic than those from his AO win.
fed_is_GOD
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we cant help it.. comes naturally..
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Post RG 2011, Federer has lost a grand total of one time to Nadal on clay. This means that Nadal is no longer his only problem on clay.
The unsure footing on clay does no favors to Federer's post surgery knee. I am sure he remembers that fall at Wimbledon in 2016. An injury at nearly 37 could be the end for good.
Federer has begun to dominate Nadal, in part by not playing him on clay. That is an advantage that could be crucial should they play a big final such as USO.
Federer got burned out and tired in 2017 without even playing clay, meaning his body can only handle a very restrictive schedule. Adding in additional clay events will tire him out even more, or gives us a repeat of his USO performace from 2017.
Dreaming is good. And of course, he will do his bit to sell tickets, but this is not something we have not seen before from top players.
The unsure footing on clay does no favors to Federer's post surgery knee. I am sure he remembers that fall at Wimbledon in 2016. An injury at nearly 37 could be the end for good.
Federer has begun to dominate Nadal, in part by not playing him on clay. That is an advantage that could be crucial should they play a big final such as USO.
Federer got burned out and tired in 2017 without even playing clay, meaning his body can only handle a very restrictive schedule. Adding in additional clay events will tire him out even more, or gives us a repeat of his USO performace from 2017.
Dreaming is good. And of course, he will do his bit to sell tickets, but this is not something we have not seen before from top players.
fed_is_GOD
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couldnt agree more with everything you said.. maybe federer knows all this and playing mind games with the dull..
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I am sure Federer is fully aware of what I said, since he lived through it. For him, two things matter the most IMO, longevity and ensuring Nadal does not break the slam record. Longevity achieved by avoiding the surfaces that are the most unsettling for his near 37 year old body, and keeping the slam record safe by ensuring that he is peaking for the slam he is more likely to win - Wimbledon - to keep Nadal at bay, than to try fulfilling a dream.
Ultimately, what is seen as more important? A second RG? But don't some Fed fans say DCS is just made up trivia by Nadal fans. OR. Holding onto the one thing he has worked his whole career for, and is seen as defining who is the greatest during this era...The Slam record? And where is he more likely to add to it, RG or W?
zagor
Bionic Poster
One thing is certain.
Roger's uncharacteristic moves have brought out of the woodwork a number of "fans".
It is also possible that both groups of "well-wishers" get their wishes fulfilled and at the same time the reasons for those wishes remain largely uncovered.
The consequences from such a thing for the majority of the said "well-wishers" could be more epic than those from his AO win.
You mean, be careful what you wish for, lol.
Tennis_Hands
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fed_is_GOD
Professional
wimby without a doubt.. but having more than 1 RG makes him look a little more 'complete'
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wimby without a doubt.. but having more than 1 RG makes him look a little more 'complete'
You heard the story of the golden goose right?
duaneeo
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Why play IW and Miami (both 96 draws...6 matches played for those with byes) after winning the big prize? Skipping those tournaments allows for a restrictive schedule that includes clay. Regarding "possible" injury, how many times have we've seen Federer slide on grass and hard? Not as often as, say, Djokovic, but enough. I suspect one slide on hard is more harmful on the knee and likely to cause injury than 20 slides on clay.
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Because maintaining a high ranking, so he can get good draws in the slams is much easier for him to do on a hard court, than a clay court. He is the HC GOAT, so he will play the events where gaining enough points is relatively easier, than on clay.
kalyan4fedever
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SLAY the FIELD ROGER...PRACTICE HARDER,,Our force is with YOU
kalyan4fedever
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one match at a time
Povl Carstensen
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Especially if you hear voices.
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So be it.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Ask David Goffin. The tarp on Chatrier almost ended his career.
Povl Carstensen
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I sometimes hear a voice called "Thundervolley" that almost scares the s... out of me.
HazBeen18
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I just don't see Fed taking off the entire clay court season this year. He mentioned that after his run last year he was completely spent. Aussie Open really took a toll and by the end of Sunshine Double he was exhausted and ready for a long break. He's just not logged that many miles in comparison and seems fresh. I would say if he manages to cruise thru Indian Wells without too many hiccups he will seriously start thinking about clay.
TennisLBC
Professional
So Federer should not leave his home because the world is full of potential accidents?
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Wow! That’s some impressive word twisting.
No. He has nothing to prove on clay; it’s his worst surface; according to his physio, it’s tougher on his body than many suspect; he has much better chances of winning at W and USO.
TennisLBC
Professional
How is Clay Federer worst surface when he played in 5 RG finals, winning 1. This is Federer, not Sampras.
YellowFedBetter
Hall of Fame
If Fed were to actually announce he was playing RG I will make a full post sincerely praising him in detail.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, he's better at RG than he is at the remaining slams.
YellowFedBetter
Hall of Fame
Judas Priest the FYM whining and bit—— about Nadal supporters is old. Obnoxious Fed fans outnumber obnoxious Nadal fans 10/1. They have no room to talk. And I don’t even like Rafa much anymore.
TennisLBC
Professional
Thank God Federer is not as risk adverse as his minions.
ak24alive
Legend
Well its quite obvious isn't it?? Doing something at the age of almost 37, he couldn't afford to do in his best years(04-07). Especially if it comes against Rafa in the final. That would obviously be the last nail in the coffin.What is it that will make RG 2018 that much more special than, say, Wimbledon 2018 (or AO 2018 for that matter)?
Think of it this way. What is a bigger achievement ?? Nadal winning Wimby or Nadal winning RO ?? Similarly Roger winning RO or Roger winning Wimby ??
Tennis_Hands
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West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Let’s see:
Grass - 87.2% w/l - 8 majors
Hard - 83.8% w/l - 11 majors
Clay - 75.9% w/l - 1 major
So in addition to tennis, math ‘isn’t your thing’ either?
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I really don't get the whole "I'm his fan mainly because he wins tournaments" thing. Maybe I grew up differently, if you only liked the Edmonton Oilers or SF 49ers or NY Yankees when they were winning, it was called out for being a bandwagon fan.
Sure, tennis is different because its an individual player. The career objectives have a specific window, unlike teams where there's always an undefined future ahead. In fact certain teams like the Cleaveland Browns have fans that even gel together around their group misfortunes.
But to me, in spite of this distinction, if the top players in tennis are healthy for the biggest tournaments they ought to be playing them.
What's the alternative scenario? Rafa skips Wimbledon because its not his preferred surface? Novak skips FO because its not his? Maybe Fed and Rafa are unique and they've had long enough careers where the answers aren't really that obvious, but I guess I'm in the camp that tennis must come first ahead of any one specific player.
And what's best for tennis is the top players are always at the biggest tournaments.
So whether or not Fed can beat Rafa on clay, if he's healthy, for tennis, he ought to be in it. I also happen to think for RF himself it might be best, and believe he can make a deep run at RG, without adversely affecting his calendar, but that's another conversation.
Anyway, whether or not he plays on clay ever again I want him to pull this old thing from the closet again. I miss those regal polos:
Sure, tennis is different because its an individual player. The career objectives have a specific window, unlike teams where there's always an undefined future ahead. In fact certain teams like the Cleaveland Browns have fans that even gel together around their group misfortunes.
But to me, in spite of this distinction, if the top players in tennis are healthy for the biggest tournaments they ought to be playing them.
What's the alternative scenario? Rafa skips Wimbledon because its not his preferred surface? Novak skips FO because its not his? Maybe Fed and Rafa are unique and they've had long enough careers where the answers aren't really that obvious, but I guess I'm in the camp that tennis must come first ahead of any one specific player.
And what's best for tennis is the top players are always at the biggest tournaments.
So whether or not Fed can beat Rafa on clay, if he's healthy, for tennis, he ought to be in it. I also happen to think for RF himself it might be best, and believe he can make a deep run at RG, without adversely affecting his calendar, but that's another conversation.
Anyway, whether or not he plays on clay ever again I want him to pull this old thing from the closet again. I miss those regal polos:
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TennisLBC
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If Federer was as inept on clay as Sampras, you would have a point. How many of those loses came by way of someone other than Nadal?
Try a little context next time...and maybe a pair a big boy pants.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
11 loses outside of RAFA.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
You don’t even know what ‘context’ means. Fed has not been in a RG final since 2009; the stats show his w/l % is decidedly lower - therefore clay is and always was his worst surface DESPITE the fact that he was the 2nd best clay court player (while he was the best on grass and hard) from 04 to 09.
Nice try - you failed in the tennis debate and with the silly comment.
Fed has better opportunities - no reason to play RG.
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Post RG 11, when Federer was still 29, he played only once against Nadal on clay in total. That RG final was 7 years ago. Federer is losing to many players on clay now. It is no comparison to his level on grass and hard, where he has been dominating recently. He is without a doubt superior to Sampras on clay in every way, that is not even questionable, but he is no longer what he used to be on the surface, when it was only Nadal standing in his way. He is approaching 37 years of age, and clay is the most punishing surface, and clearly the surface he has declined on the most...even before the injury, Federer was still making HC and Grass finals, which he continued to do, when he returned, but Federer was no where close to being a contender anymore for clay, for many years before the injury.
Arguably you can say his last true competitive clay season was 2012, but it all ended at Djokovic's hand in that semi. Since then, he has not been the same.
ak24alive
Legend
Well mate I think its better as a fantasy. I would love to see it come true obviously but I really fear for Roger stepping on clay. Its a tough decision considering all the things that has transpired with him skipping Clay last year and winning Wimby and him taking up Montreal and injuring the back. Also the consequences of the decision for his career, his form, Wimby around the corner, Nadal's form, Nadal's record on the surface, Roger's knee, the fact that his career might be very close to the end and a thousand different things. I guess we will never know what is better. Moreover the guy knows best. I think he should listen to his heart.
And about this statement he made I feel its more of a wish than a realistic scenario from his side. But who knows?? Fed's the GOAT at proving people wrong.
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Federer made RG 2011 final.
ak24alive
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Yeah like everything you say and feel is completely original. Things rarely are original mate.What an original argument.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Thanks. Didn’t see that one in the stats.
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I get your point though. Federer had been declining on clay ever since, for me and I know many, 2012 was his last year as a real contender. After 2013, it all changed, he hit rock bottom in 2013 everywhere, but managed to pick it back up for grass and hard in 2014...couldn't pull it off on the clay anymore.
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