themitchmann
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OK, themitchmann and mikeler, I stand corrected. Thanks for the input.
I'm still curious. Not trying to attack you.
OK, themitchmann and mikeler, I stand corrected. Thanks for the input.
They are the same racket except:
1. The 105 has an extra cross string.
2. The 105 is slightly lighter in strung-weight.
3. The 105 is slightly lighter in swing-weight.
4. The 105 is negligibly stiffer.
5. The 105 is more head-heavy, though still a head-light racket.
6. The 105 has a slightly thicker beam.
7. The 105 has a slightly larger head.
8. The 105 has a longer length.
63 versus 52 in stiffness is not negligible.
Responding to themitchmann, you make a good point. Let's say that my reasoning is partly intuitive and partly analytical. Both racquets are 100% graphite and have O-ports. The 105 has an extra cross string. The 105 is slightly lighter in both strung-weight and swing-weight. The 105 is negligibly stiffer and more head-heavy, though still a head-light racket. The 105 has a slightly thicker beam. Of insignificance, in my opinion, is the 105's slightly larger head and longer length. (This racket is basically the EXO3 Tour 100 made for senior players like me.) Both rackets essentially share the same cosmetics, which is the intuitive part. I rest my case. Now, let's go to the jury.
fair enough....but it would be safe to say that unlike may other rackets, the exo tour is very original in how it plays....VERY unique...If only it had better first serve characteristics...would still be my main rackets...I agree with your comment on the exo red being more suited to senior players than the tour...even on specs.
A good rule of thumb when choosing racquets. Get the one that makes your AVERAGE game go up, not your inspired/absolute best game go up.
You only see those "inspired" days 10 times a year...and you have a whole lot of "average" days.
It is a very unique frame no question. Funny, my first serve has been pretty good with it. The problems I'm having are all on the forehand side but that is mostly due to a wrist problem I'm dealing with.
Don't forget about the 10 times a year when you can't hit the side of a barn.
It is a very unique frame no question. Funny, my first serve has been pretty good with it. The problems I'm having are all on the forehand side but that is mostly due to a wrist problem I'm dealing with.
Don't forget about the 10 times a year when you can't hit the side of a barn.
To me the racket struggles dealing with power from the players side. Your injured wrist aside:
I have had problems on the forehand with this racket and changed my stroke to be more up and over - ie, a emphasis on forward upward spin helps with control. Try to limit flatter strokes if possible. Less around the body, more forward, upward and over if you get what I mean.
On the first serve (flat), I don't believe there are real answers other than lead especially at 12 - in my opinion, this should counter the flex on contact
To be fair, it's not really built for hitting flat shots. The design of the frame lends itself to more spin.
I use the Rebel 95 (and tend to hit flatter).
I'm down at 50 pounds right now with full multifilament jobs. Anything higher and I just don't get enough pop on my shots. I'm starting to get a little more confident hitting flat shots on my forehand. I've got a tendency to pull off my forehand which I need to stop doing.
I can't stop speaking about the tour and feel I have to say it again:
The exo tour is a great racket overall...except for one thing basically: the flat serve. It is so bad on the flat serve, that it basically counters everything good about it. Its a huge pity....Once one has adjusted technique to suit this racket, it is awesome on groundstrokes and volleys. I just think no amount of technique makes this the easiest/ideal racket to serve flat serves with.
I have always been afraid to go lower than 55 on ANY racket. But I think i need to reconsider this. When strings loses tension, how much do they lose on average? Anyone? I have often found, i play best when my strings are on their way out (probably lost most tension and has more string sliding movement?)
I can't stop speaking about the tour and feel I have to say it again:
The exo tour is a great racket overall...except for one thing basically: the flat serve. It is so bad on the flat serve, that it basically counters everything good about it. Its a huge pity....Once one has adjusted technique to suit this racket, it is awesome on groundstrokes and volleys. I just think no amount of technique makes this the easiest/ideal racket to serve flat serves with.
Perhaps you should consider adapting your game to your frame and stop fussing about this.... :?
Put some variety in your serve and make your kicker/slice serve a weapon instead of trying to score direct points with flat heaters...?
I have always been afraid to go lower than 55 on ANY racket. But I think i need to reconsider this. When strings loses tension, how much do they lose on average? Anyone? I have often found, i play best when my strings are on their way out (probably lost most tension and has more string sliding movement?)
I can't stop speaking about the tour and feel I have to say it again:
The exo tour is a great racket overall...except for one thing basically: the flat serve. It is so bad on the flat serve, that it basically counters everything good about it. Its a huge pity....Once one has adjusted technique to suit this racket, it is awesome on groundstrokes and volleys. I just think no amount of technique makes this the easiest/ideal racket to serve flat serves with.
What a player can do with a stick and how they construct points should not even be mentioned in this thread. Different strokes for different folks. Some people swear certain things for certain sticks while others find the complete opposite. I believe strings and tensions are a bigger factors in feel and should be made clear before making assumptions about any player's game.
A big flat is just as important for variety as any other serve is in an arsenal. It's unfair to tell him to change his style. Why? because he's missing a part of his game that he feels he needs to complete his preferred style of play. I'd hate it if i lost one of my favorite weapons for a few that I was doing fine with before.
I never went down below 60 until I started playing with Discho Microfibre in my Pro Kennex 7Gs. I tried it at 60#, then 57#, then 54# and finally at 50#. For that frame, 54# was the sweet spot. So I started at 54# in the Exo Tour and my serve was not very good. Going down to 50# has really added some nice zip to my serve, especially on...wait for it...wait for it...FLAT SERVES! I don't seem to experience a loss of control on ground strokes either. This frame is SO flexible, it really lends itself to lower string tensions which in turn is better on the arm.
What strings are you using? If you have poly in the mid 50s or above you would have to be pretty strong to hit a decent flat serve.
I did...and eventually enough was enough and I got different rackets - instant improvement on the flat serve. Just making discussion.
It certainly has to do with how and where the frame flexes depending on the angle of attack. I have some old Prince Shark with tapered beam. Super rigid in the hoop and quite flexy at the throat. Perfect for flat serve, but not much for anything else, as ball tends to slide off the stringbed on spin shots. EXO3 Tour hoop cups the ball much better on angled imact, but probably absorbs too much energy when hit squarely in or above the sweetspot.
If you are interested in seeing me serve with this racket, go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv0D5q90XFQ&feature=youtu.be
The strings are kevlar
Sometimes with the tour, it almost feels like your hitting flat balls. Lead helps no question. But its tiring. So essentially I'm maybe not fit enough for the racket lol.
I agree that its by far better suited to lower string tensions. On this racket, i did not like the pro hurricanes as much (although my tension may have been too high) as the ashaway crossfire kevlar kind. Due to the open pattern, the racket is rather heavy on strings, but with the kevlar, i could go for it more without worrying about breakage. Currently my strings are on the way out on the tours and they play best when theyre like that. But now they are my backup frames...
If/when I try poly in the frame, I'll start at 40 pounds. I don't think Kevlar would be a good choice for this racket. No wonder you are having problems generating power.
u have a very lively arm which is great--keep your arm and head up longer and u will get the desired response u want.If you are interested in seeing me serve with this racket, go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv0D5q90XFQ&feature=youtu.be
The strings are kevlar
Sometimes with the tour, it almost feels like your hitting flat balls. Lead helps no question. But its tiring. So essentially I'm maybe not fit enough for the racket lol.
I agree that its by far better suited to lower string tensions. On this racket, i did not like the pro hurricanes as much (although my tension may have been too high) as the ashaway crossfire kevlar kind. Due to the open pattern, the racket is rather heavy on strings, but with the kevlar, i could go for it more without worrying about breakage. Currently my strings are on the way out on the tours and they play best when theyre like that. But now they are my backup frames...