The Greatest Hard Court Player of the open era for you

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Laurie, May 5, 2012.

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Who's the greatest hard court player of the open era for you?

  1. Ivan Lendl

    3.3%
  2. Andre Agassi

    2.5%
  3. Roger Federer

    83.3%
  4. John McEnroe

    2.5%
  5. Jimmy Connors

    2.5%
  6. Pete Sampras

    5.8%
  1. fed_rulz

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    Federer seems to be b!tch slapping others (especially Sampras) in this poll, it's not even funny :). I can't believe there are morons who offer convoluted reasons for why Sampras (still) should be ahead of Federer, based purely on what-ifs. Seems like Petetards are ones who like to indulge in a lot of revisionist history..
     
  2. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    And then *******s become Petetards also. It's a mad world.
     
  3. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    People hype up Sampras' serve. 14 majors doesn't mean his serve won 14 majors. It means Sampras won 14 majors. I am much more impressed by the serves of Karlovic, Isner, and Roddick. Pete didn't win because of his serve, he won because of his serve and accompanying tools. If you give Sampras any of those three serves, it's unlikely that his career achievements would decrease. On the other hand if you gave any of those three Pete's game(sans serve), their careers would have improved without a doubt.

    One thing that he needs credit for is that he was able to dig deep and get aces when he needed them.
     
  4. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    http://bit.ly/KTdEMY

    I can't find the quote I was looking for, but I believe he had an attitude of why S&V if I don't have to.

    http://bit.ly/ITadCG

    After 05, he seemed to just stay back for the most part.
     
  5. Limpinhitter

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    I think I'm the best judge of what I wrote.

    I still haven't succeeded in explaining it to you. I don't assume anything of the kind.
     
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  6. Limpinhitter

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    Yes, but, as I've said many times, Federer gets to use his forehand on both serve and return games.
     
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  7. Sid_Vicious

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    I do agree on this point. Federer was never a great volleyer, but he was a competent net player.

    I think Henman said before his match with Fed at WIM 2011, that, Federer was no "Rafter or Sampras", but he was a decent volleyer.
     
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  8. OddJack

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    Oh Laurie, what were you thinking posting this poll
     
  9. NadalAgassi

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    LOL at the idea Roddick or Isner have a better serve than Sampras. If Roddick's serve had anywhere near the disguise, placement, variety, or raw power and heavieness (which isnt just speed) of Sampras's, Federer wouldnt be able to return it nearly as easily as he does. You do realize some people have tried to argue Federer has a better overall serve than Roddick, probably wrongly and definitely wrongly IMO, but still it is telling some people even think that. Nobody would every try and argue Federer has a better serve than Sampras for instance.

    Karlovic and Ivanisevic are the only players in the Open Era who have a serve anywhere near Sampras, however Sampras has a much better 2nd serve than Goran and is a much better pressure server than Karlovic. Just look at Karlovic's tiebreak record which is ridiculous for someone with a serve like his.

    Also according to this forums views Sampras wasnt anywhere near a top baseliner and wasnt even the best volleyer, so based on that how else did he win 14 majors other than having a GOAT serve.
     
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  10. Laurie

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    That's a good question. What amazes me is how certain guys are prepared to run circles around each other day after day, week after week and perhaps year after year, arguing the same points over and over again, neither side giving way whatsoever, all pretty incredible to be honest.

    But in between that madness, there are some interesting points made by posters. The only thing I would say is that the result of the poll does not reflect the abilities of 5 of the 6 guys on there at all, I thought the results might have been more spread out.
     
  11. tennis_pro

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    Oh yes you did. Read your quote again:

    "Federer's game is not best suited for faster courts. He's not a great volleyer or net player."

    And then again. One more time.

    One can assume that having a great volley (or being great at the net) is a condition you have to fulfill in order to be considered an attacking player, at least based on your criteria. Now I'm telling you that this is the biggest bu****it I've read on TW (apart from NSK claiming that Nadal figured Djokovic out after losing to him in Australia this year).

    Del Potro, Soderling, Agassi, Federer, Djokovic in aggressive mode aren't attacking players just because they can't hit a Edberesque volley. Is that what you want to say?
     
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  12. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    So you're saying these players skills outside of the serve are all better than Pete's?

    You know why Karlovic has that tie break record? All he can do is serve.

    It's amazing. Federer has awful defense, a **** poor backhand, and volleys worse than Nadal based on the stats, yet he sill has this. All of this is according to posters on here so it has to be fact right?

    Most GS titles
    1. Roger Federer 16
    2. Pete Sampras 14
    3. Björn Borg 11
    4. Rafael Nadal 10
    5. Jimmy Connors 8
    = Ivan Lendl 8
    = Andre Agassi 8
    8. John McEnroe 7
    = Mats Wilander 7
    10. Stefan Edberg 6
    Boris Becker 6

    GS finals
    1. Roger Federer 23
    2. Ivan Lendl 19
    3. Pete Sampras 18
    4. Björn Borg 16
    5. Jimmy Connors 15
    = Andre Agassi 15
    7. Rafael Nadal 13
    8. John McEnroe 11
    = Mats Wilander 11
    = Stefan Edberg 11

    Consecutive GS finals
    1. Roger Federer 10
    2. Roger Federer 8
    3. Andre Agassi 4
    = Rod Laver 4
    5. Jimmy Connors 3
    = Björn Borg 3
    = Björn Borg 3
    = Björn Borg 3
    = Ivan Lendl 3
    = John McEnroe 3
    = Ivan Lendl 3
    = Ivan Lendl 3
    = Mats Wilander 3
    = Jim Courier 3
    = Jim Courier 3
    = Pete Sampras 3
    = Rafael Nadal 3

    GS semi-finals
    1. Jimmy Connors 31
    2. Ivan Lendl 28
    = Roger Federer 28
    4. Andre Agassi 26
    5. Pete Sampras 23
    6. John McEnroe 19
    = Stefan Edberg 19
    8. Boris Becker 18
    9. Björn Borg 17
    10. Rafael Nadal 15

    Consecutive GS semi-finals
    1. Roger Federer 23
    2. Ivan Lendl 10
    3. Ivan Lendl 6
    4. Boris Becker 5
    = Novak Djokovic 5
    = Nadal 5
    7. Rod Laver 4
    8. Tony Roche 4
    = John McEnroe 4
    = Andre Agassi 4
    = Jim Courer 4


    All Four Slams Per Year
    Rod Laver 1969

    Three Slams Per Year
    Jimmy Connors 1974
    Mats Wilander 1988
    Roger Federer 2004
    Roger Federer 2006
    Roger Federer 2007
    Rafael Nadal 2010

    All Four Finals Per Year
    Roger Federer 2006
    Roger Federer 2007
    Roger Federer 2009
    Rod Laver 1969

    All Four Semi-finals Per Year
    Rod Laver 1969
    Ivan Lendl 1987
    Roger Federer 2005
    Roger Federer 2006
    Roger Federer 2007
    Roger Federer 2008
    Rafael Nadal 2008
    Roger Federer 2009


    Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:
    1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41
    2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40
    = Roger Federer (US Open), 40
    4. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31
    = Rafael Nadal (French Open), 31

    Other Stuff:

    Year-End Championships
    1. Roger Federer 5
    = Ivan Lendl 5
    = Pete Sampras 5
    4. Ilie Nastase 3
    = John McEnroe 3
    = Boris Becker 3

    Most Weeks at #1
    1. Pete Sampras 286
    2. Roger Federer 285
    3. Ivan Lendl 270
    4. Jimmy Connors 268
    5. John McEnroe 170
    6. Björn Borg 109
    7. Rafael Nadal 102
    8. Andre Agassi 101
    9. Lleyton Hewitt 80
    10. Stefan Edberg 72

    Consecutive Weeks at #1
    1. Roger Federer (1) 237
    2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160
    3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157
    4. Pete Sampras (1) 102
    5. Jimmy Connors (2) 84
    6. Pete Sampras (2) 82
    7. Ivan Lendl (2) 80
    8. Lleyton Hewitt (1) 75
    9. John McEnroe (1) 58
    10. Rafael Nadal (1) 56

    Year End #1
    1. Sampras 6
    2. Federer 5
    3. Borg 4
    4. Connors 3
    = Lendl 3
    = McEnroe 3


    Highest Season Winning Percentage
    1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
    2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
    3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
    4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5
    5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
    6. Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
    7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
    8. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
    9. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
    10. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
     
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  13. tennis_pro

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    Weak era:)

    I have to say, arguing with trolls is fruitless but very enjoyable. You just never get bored of pwning them and at the same time they never get bored of being pwned.
     
  14. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    It's a mad world. But LOL at NadullAgassi saying that Sampras only had a serve and it was that serve and no other part of his game that helped him win his titles. I GUESS RODDICK HAS A SUPERIOR ALL AROUND GAME TO SAMPRAS! :)

    You learn new stuff every day.
     
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  15. Limpinhitter

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    Try as I might, I still haven't explained it to you. I have never said that you have to have a great volley to be considered an attacking player, you have not read any such thing on TW, and there is no way to reasonably infer that from anything I've written.
     
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  16. kiki

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    Not at all, some get better, some worsen.Tennis is in my second list.
     
  17. kiki

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    On clay, Bruguera won 2 RG, not once...plus Montecarlo and many other titles...
     
  18. kiki

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    Good question¡¡¡ yes, where is it?
     
  19. kiki

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    Yes, he had so much talent in his pinky...but he certainly would suffer several loses on HC against the likes that you mention.He´d also beat them some times, you know.

    I´d like to see Connors vs Laver on HC, both at their prime.Jimmy was an exceptional hard court player, and so was also Agassi.Both vs Laver would be the matches I´d like to see on HC.
     
  20. kiki

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    He also played on a parking soil and on a highway ( according to his book, crowded with military after a Coup D´Etat)
     
  21. prosealster

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    federer no contest
     
  22. kiki

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    Yep¡¡ even in that sense, it was a great era.:)
     
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    No global warming means players not having chairs to sit on during changeovers was no big deal. Weather didn't take out as much from them.
     
  24. coloskier

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    It all depends if you equate "Hard Court tennis" with "Serve and Volley tennis". If yes, then Sampras. If no, then Federer.
     
  25. TMF

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    In your dream world, yes.
     
  26. chrischris

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    This poll is a bit redundant in my humble view.
     
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