The Murray-Federer rivalry in 2006-10!

[Nadal_Django]

2006 Cincy R32 Murray-Federer 7:5 6:4
2008 Dubai R32 Murray- Federer 6:7 6:3 6:4
2008 USO Final Federer- Murray 6:2 7:5 6:2
2008 Madrid SF Murray-Federer 3:6 6:3 7:5
2008 TMC RR Murray- Federer 4:6 7:6 7:5
2009 Doha SF Murray-Federer 6:7 6:2 6:2
2009 IW SF Murray-Federer 6:3 4:6 6:1
2009 Cincy SF Federer-Murray 6:2 7:6
2009 ATP Finals Federer-Murray 3:6 6:3 6:1
2010 AO Final Federer-Murray 6:3 6:4 7:6
2010 Canada Final Murray-Federer7:5 7:5
2010 Shanghai Final Murray-Federer 6:3 6:2
2010 ATP Finals RR Federer-Murray 6:4 6:2

Total:
Murray-Federer 8-5

What is this tells us?

I think Andy Murray is very underrated here!

 

[Lew II]

Before peak Fed won last 5 matches, Murray was leading 11-9.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Before peak Fed won last 5 matches, Murray was leading 11-9.

Yeah, Murray was a real thorn in the young Federer's side, while older Fed is beating Murray rather convincingly. Strange!

 

[Zara]

It's not as strange. Andy's initial goal was to beat Federer, Nadal and Djokovic because quite clearly in order to win a Slam, you'd ultimately have to beat one of these guys (if you are lucky), but he kept on falling short in Slams due to his mentality. He'd always get overwhelmed by the situation because the idea of winning a Slam beating either Federer or Nadal was just too much for him. And once he started to fall short in those circumstances, Federer in particular, was all over him.

 

[Red Rick]

Murray is horrible for Fed if Fed's playing bad, and honestly from the top of my head a lot of those early meetings are in some of the worse stretches of Fed's years.

 

[KINGROGER]

It tells us Fed sucked at BO3 during 2008-2010.

 

[EloQuent]

Very clear what it tells us: MURYGOAT

 

[EloQuent]

Also, since Federer from 2014 on was beating MuryGOAT, this is obviously peak™fedr.

Peak Fedr is 5-1 v Rafa.

 

[duaneeo]

Murray led Federer 6-2 in their first 8 meetings.

It tells us that Federer is the last great player who faced both strong contemporaries and strong young guns during his peak/prime years.

 

[Fridge]

It tells us Fed is not that good

 

[Nadal_Django]

Also, since Federer from 2014 on was beating MuryGOAT, this is obviously peak™fedr.

Peak Fedr is 5-1 v Rafa.

You're making good point here @EloQuent. Older Federer is quite underrated also.

 

[True Fanerer]

It tells us that Federer focused on peaking for slams.

 

[Lew II]

Yeah, Murray was a real thorn in the young Federer's side, while older Fed is beating Murray rather convincingly. Strange!

h2h against top10 since 2014:

9-0 vs Berdych (100%)
6-0 vs Gasquet (100)
5-0 vs Murray (100)
4-0 vs Sock (100)
3-0 vs Ferrer (100)
1-0 vs Pouille (100)
6-1 vs Goffin (85.7)
5-1 vs Nadal (83.3)
5-1 vs Cilic (83.3)
8-2 vs Wawrinka (80)
4-1 vs Anderson (80)
6-2 vs Nishikori (75)
7-3 vs Raonic (70)
3-2 vs Monfils (60)
3-2 vs Del Potro (60)
1-1 vs Gulbis (50)
1-1 vs Isner (50)
2-2 vs Thiem (50)
2-2 vs Tsonga (50)
3-3 vs Zverev (50)
6-10 vs Djokovic (37.5)

 

[EloQuent]

h2h against top10 since 2014:

9-0 vs Berdych (100%)
6-0 vs Gasquet (100)
5-0 vs Murray (100)
4-0 vs Sock (100)
3-0 vs Ferrer (100)
1-0 vs Pouille (100)
6-1 vs Goffin (85.7)
5-1 vs Nadal (83.3)
5-1 vs Cilic (83.3)
8-2 vs Wawrinka (80)
4-1 vs Anderson (80)
6-2 vs Nishikori (75)
7-3 vs Raonic (70)
3-2 vs Monfils (60)
3-2 vs Del Potro (60)
1-1 vs Gulbis (50)
1-1 vs Isner (50)
2-2 vs Thiem (50)
2-2 vs Tsonga (50)
3-3 vs Zverev (50)
6-10 vs Djokovic (37.5)

Hmm I think this shows that the top 10 since 2014 were pretty weak!

Spoiler

tbh I don't actually think this, just a little countertrolling the weakera nerds

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Mugray vulturing wins

 

[Nadal_Django]

Mugray vulturing wins

Against Peak Fed!? Harsh on Murray!

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Against Peak Fed!? Harsh on Murray!

Everyone was beating Fraud in Dubai 2008-IW 2009 and post 2010 AO

 

[tennisaddict]

The real Fed-Murray level comparison is the 2014 or 2015 YEC

We cannot take joke matches for the comparison

 

[MeatTornado]

It's easy to just think about Fed steamrolling Baby Muzz at USO 08 & AO 10. Andy looked so outclassed in those matches that I have to remind myself about the H2H.

As great a player as Roger is, he's always been a different beast at the majors.

 

[Nadal_Django]

It's easy to just think about Fed steamrolling Baby Muzz at USO 08 & AO 10. Andy looked so outclassed in those matches that I have to remind myself about the H2H.

As great a player as Roger is, he's always been a different beast at the majors.

Well is one thing when you're 12+slam winner playing in your umpteenth Slam final, and completely different when you're Slam Final virgin playing in your first or second Slam final, isn't it.
I mean credit to Fed he was playing good in those finals, but Murray was nowhere near his best in those matches, cracking mentally and physically under the pressure of the occasion.

 

[MeatTornado]

Well is one thing when you're 12+slam winner playing in your umpteenth Slam final, and completely different when you're Slam Final virgin playing in your first or second Slam final, isn't it.
I mean credit to Fed he was playing good in those finals, but Murray was nowhere near his best in those matches, cracking mentally and physically under the pressure of the occasion.

Peak Murray routinely cracked mentally, so there's really not a huge difference between 08-11 Murray and 12-16 Murray in that regard.

 

[Towny]

I think it tells us that context is important. The 2006 match was almost a tank. Federer would have lost to almost anyone that tournament. The 2008 and early 09 matches were also at particularly bad times for Fed. He was getting beaten by also sorts in BO3 in 2008 and he'd just had a huge confidence loss at AO09.

Federer underrated Murray and so underestimated him so I think this was a factor as well. Ultimately, Federer dominated both of their slam matches in this period and Murray has only ever beaten Fed once in a slam, in 2013, and it took 5 sets.

Murray is underrated but I think this is largely to do with catching Federer at a bad time. I doubt Fed 2004-6 would've struggled with him on a regular basis.

 

[metsman]

9-2 in slams/YEC with both losses coming in final sets against brokebackerer. Murray 3 sets won in the 9 losses lmao. Not a single one of those matches in Federer's peak. End of story. Peak Fed would beat Murray in big events even easier than he beat Hewitt and Roddick (especially Roddick). Murray's superior consistency may vulture him a couple B03 wins but they would have to probably come in vulnerable periods or else I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Mainad]

Prior to his back surgery in 2013, Murray was one of the most consistent performers against Federer, especially in Bo3. Since then he has not been able to win any of their encounters.

Even now, Murray remains 1 of only 3 players to notch up double digit victories against Federer and 1 of only 5 to beat him in multiple big finals (no prizes for guessing 2 of them but who are the other 2? ).

 

[Lew II]

Prior to his back surgery in 2013, Murray was one of the most consistent performers against Federer, especially in Bo3. Since then he has not been able to win any of their encounters.

Even now, Murray remains 1 of only 3 players to notch up double digit victories against Federer and 1 of only 4 to beat him in multiple big finals (no prizes for guessing 2 of them but who was the 3rd? ).

Delpo

 

[Devin]

h2h against top10 since 2014:

9-0 vs Berdych (100%)
6-0 vs Gasquet (100)
5-0 vs Murray (100)
4-0 vs Sock (100)
3-0 vs Ferrer (100)
1-0 vs Pouille (100)
6-1 vs Goffin (85.7)
5-1 vs Nadal (83.3)
5-1 vs Cilic (83.3)
8-2 vs Wawrinka (80)
4-1 vs Anderson (80)
6-2 vs Nishikori (75)
7-3 vs Raonic (70)
3-2 vs Monfils (60)
3-2 vs Del Potro (60)
1-1 vs Gulbis (50)
1-1 vs Isner (50)
2-2 vs Thiem (50)
2-2 vs Tsonga (50)
3-3 vs Zverev (50)
6-10 vs Djokovic (37.5)

Go back to your own thread.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

BO5 was the true indicator then, while BO3 became that true indicator instead in a certain period when Fred constantly fell short against a certain someone at Slams.

On a serious note now, Mury is a very solid player. But really far from Fed's league when it comes to performing at the Majors.

 

[NoleFam]

BO5 was the true indicator then, while BO3 became that true indicator instead in a certain period when Fred constantly fell short against a certain someone at Slams.

On a serious note now, Mury is a very solid player. But really far from Fed's league when it comes to performing at the Majors.

100% on that 1st part.

Murray was just so mentally weak in those first few Slam finals. He had the game but didn't believe in himself enough. That's something he shares with Lendl in how he underperformed in those 4 Slam finals but even Lendl was able to push Borg in the 1st one.

 

[chut]

Delpo

Nalbandian also did it btw

 

[Mainad]

Nalbandian also did it btw

Thanks for that. Have edited my post accordingly.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

2006 Cincy R32 Murray-Federer 7:5 6:4
2008 Dubai R32 Murray- Federer 6:7 6:3 6:4
2008 USO Final Federer- Murray 6:2 7:5 6:2
2008 Madrid SF Murray-Federer 3:6 6:3 7:5
2008 TMC RR Murray- Federer 4:6 7:6 7:5
2009 Doha SF Murray-Federer 6:7 6:2 6:2
2009 IW SF Murray-Federer 6:3 4:6 6:1
2009 Cincy SF Federer-Murray 6:2 7:6
2009 ATP Finals Federer-Murray 3:6 6:3 6:1
2010 AO Final Federer-Murray 6:3 6:4 7:6
2010 Canada Final Murray-Federer7:5 7:5
2010 Shanghai Final Murray-Federer 6:3 6:2
2010 ATP Finals RR Federer-Murray 6:4 6:2

Total:
Murray-Federer 8-5

What is this tells us?

I think Andy Murray is very underrated here!

I think Lleyton Hewitt is very underrated here.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Well is one thing when you're 12+slam winner playing in your umpteenth Slam final, and completely different when you're Slam Final virgin playing in your first or second Slam final, isn't it.
I mean credit to Fed he was playing good in those finals, but Murray was nowhere near his best in those matches, cracking mentally and physically under the pressure of the occasion.

Roger V Andy - 2014 WTF.
6-0, 6-1.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Before peak Fed won last 5 matches, Murray was leading 11-9.

Djokovic to peak at 35 too?!?! Or are you going to excuse him?

 

[Shank Volley]

100% on that 1st part.

Murray was just so mentally weak in those first few Slam finals. He had the game but didn't believe in himself enough. That's something he shares with Lendl in how he underperformed in those 4 Slam finals but even Lendl was able to push Borg in the 1st one.

In contrast he's been so mentally strong against Djokovic at the AO.

 

[RF-18]

Murray: Just too good. Great record that.

 

[NoleFam]

In contrast he's been so mentally strong against Djokovic at the AO.

Murray played Djokovic in his 3rd Slam final at the AO so that one was included.

 

[Shank Volley]

Murray played Djokovic in his 3rd Slam final at the AO so that one was included.

And the subsequent finals with Djokovic. Unless being rattled by an opponent pretending to be drunk is mental strength.

 

[oldmanfan]

Well is one thing when you're 12+slam winner playing in your umpteenth Slam final, and completely different when you're Slam Final virgin playing in your first or second Slam final, isn't it.
I mean credit to Fed he was playing good in those finals, but Murray was nowhere near his best in those matches, cracking mentally and physically under the pressure of the occasion.

I get what you're 'trying' to say. But apparently, Fedr missed that memo. Fed won his first SEVEN slam finals, and he proceeded to win his first 10 of 11 slam finals.

Fed is a slam beast, especially prime Fed.

 

[Shank Volley]

I get what you're 'trying' to say. But apparently, Fedr missed that memo. Fed won his first SEVEN slam finals, and he proceeded to win his first 10 of 11 slam finals.

Fed is a slam beast, especially prime Fed.

I don't understand why someone with the word Nadal in their name would even bother trying to be subtle with their digs at Federer.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

h2h against top10 since 2014:

9-0 vs Berdych (100%)
6-0 vs Gasquet (100)
5-0 vs Murray (100)
4-0 vs Sock (100)
3-0 vs Ferrer (100)
1-0 vs Pouille (100)
6-1 vs Goffin (85.7)
5-1 vs Nadal (83.3)
5-1 vs Cilic (83.3)
8-2 vs Wawrinka (80)
4-1 vs Anderson (80)
6-2 vs Nishikori (75)
7-3 vs Raonic (70)
3-2 vs Monfils (60)
3-2 vs Del Potro (60)
1-1 vs Gulbis (50)
1-1 vs Isner (50)
2-2 vs Thiem (50)
2-2 vs Tsonga (50)
3-3 vs Zverev (50)
6-10 vs Djokovic (37.5)

That only adds up to a 90-34 (72.6%) record. From 2004-2007, he had a 69-10 (87.3%) record. 8 of those were to Nadal.

 

[oldmanfan]

That only adds up to a 90-34 (72.6%) record. From 2004-2007, he had a 69-10 (87.3%) record. 8 of those were to Nadal.

Wow, didn't know that. So in that 4yr span, if you're a top10 and is NOT named Nadal, you have a less than 3% chance of beating Fedr.

 

[Lew II]

Thanks for that. Have edited my post accordingly.

Nalbandian didn't beat Federer in two big finals.

 

[Lew II]

Djokovic to peak at 35 too?!?! Or are you going to excuse him?

Until now he aged better than Federer, at 28-31 he won three times more slams than him (6 to 2).

 

[Lew II]

That only adds up to a 90-34 (72.6%) record. From 2004-2007, he had a 69-10 (87.3%) record. 8 of those were to Nadal.

I perfectly know 2004-07 were better years for Federer, but tennis in 2014-18 has been much more competitive.

Anyway would you call a weak opponent for Djokovic someone who went 84-24 against other top-10, and 17-2 against players like Nadal, Murray and Wawrinka? Tell me the score of the second best in 2004-07.

 

[Raining hopes]

Until now he aged better than Federer, at 28-31 he won three times more slams than him (6 to 2).

Yay ! We will try our hell best to prove 2011- 2015 as the strongest years ever and then when it suits our narrow minded view we will forget about that and prop up Djokovic even More.

And yes we will die proving it that 2011-15 Djokovic is the best player ever and how Fraud was playing so well but only lost to him, but won't even mention that when it come to our agenda !

Peak Lewism.



Murry Christmas by the @Lew II hope you enjoy yourself today !

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Nalbandian didn't beat Federer in two big finals.

YEC 2005 and Madrid 2007

 

[Lew II]

YEC 2005 and Madrid 2007

Ok.

 

[Lew II]

Go back to your own thread.

It was tragically deleted.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Everyone was beating Fraud in Dubai 2008-IW 2009 and post 2010 AO

The same Fed who went 8 Slam finals in a raw in that same period!? Hmm, strange!

 

[Nadal_Django]

I get what you're 'trying' to say. But apparently, Fedr missed that memo. Fed won his first SEVEN slam finals, and he proceeded to win his first 10 of 11 slam finals.

Fed is a slam beast, especially prime Fed.

Well, Murray didn't had that luxury to play against Philippoussis, Baghdatis, Roddick, Hewitt or Safin in his first seven slam finals and build his Slam confidence winning Slams against lesser players than Fed and Djoko isn't it.