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It's like Federer having Dimitrov as a main rival. What the f**k do you expect is going to happen when they play?
Dimitrov?
Wat
It's like Federer having Dimitrov as a main rival. What the f**k do you expect is going to happen when they play?
Dimitrov?
Wat
Ever consider that prime/peak Fed just makes ALL non-ATGs look pedestrian? What do I mean? Well, look at prime-peak Murray since AO2013 (the last time Murray beat Fed, and barely). Murray hasn't managed a win over Fed in 5yrs since, and won 1 set out of 12 sets played (a TB set at that). Fed was 32.5-37.5yrs old from AO2013 to now, a luxury Hewitt/Roddick DIDN'T have.
Murray hasn't played Federer in over 3 years and they didn't play in 2016, which was Murray's best year. Just like Federer made Murray look pedestrian after 2013, Murray made Federer look pedestrian in 2006-2009 when he won 6/7 matches against him. I don't think Del Potro got this memo either since 15/20 matches since RG 2009 have been dog fights.
Agreed that Delpo plays well against Fed. He does have the 3 abilities I mentioned needed to consistently challenge the OldMan right (serve/consistency/movement)? Many disparage Fed's contemporaries based on results, especially against Fed, so we should be consistent when look at Murray/Delpo's results too no?
Yes, Murray's 2016 was his best year, results wise. Was Fed not playing through WB16 even thought injured mostly? They just didn't meet. It is what it is. Up to AO16, Fed was clearly #2 from 2014-AO16. Fed was around since AO17 again, but Murray couldn't meet him at AO17 was Fed's fault? Yes, Murray end up injured in 2017, but Fed was there regardless. He was there this year too. It's not like Fed made himself scarce for Murray to meet him. The exception being
Canada16-WTF16 (Murray's best 'section' of results), but would you gloat if Murray beat an injured Fed in that period? But if Fed was in 2014-AO16 form, would Murray manage to win much over that Fed? Probably not, and Murray would likely not get 2016 YE#1.
All guesses though, so doesn't really matter.
It's not about it being anybody's fault that they haven't played in over 3 years. They just haven't played so it's kind of misleading to say Murray hasn't beaten Federer in over 5 years when they haven't played in 3 of them.
I perfectly know 2004-07 were better years for Federer, but tennis in 2014-18 has been much more competitive.
Anyway would you call a weak opponent for Djokovic someone who went 84-24 against other top-10, and 17-2 against players like Nadal, Murray and Wawrinka? Tell me the score of the second best in 2004-07.
Your statement is true. The facts are also so (that they didn't play in the last 3yrs, which extended to 5yrs). I was messing around a bit there.
We can both agree that Murray's only real chance to beat Fed was from Canada16-WTF16 bc Fed was coming back from a surgery-injury. We can also both agree that Murray would have almost no chance against AO17-Fed to WTF18-Fed bc even as horrid as Fed has been since WB18, Murray was in even worse shape, unfortunately.
I don't know about that being Murray's only chance to beat Federer. Murray was in great form in 2015 Canada and took out Djokovic in the final and he was in good from in other tournaments as well such as 2015 Madrid and 2016 Rome. They really didn't play but twice in 2015 when Federer played Djokovic 8 times and Murray played him 7 times.
Those 2015 Murrays may have a better chance to win, but they didn't meet in those tournaments, so it's moot. And matches between 2 players could play out very differently even when looking at their forms in the previous few matches. Look at WB15-SF Fed vs. WB15-F Fed. Based on form, many were picking Fed as the fav against Djokovic for the title after he beat Murray. We know how that went.
2014+ Fed just became a very difficult match-up for Murray even though it wasn't so before then. Fed became older, so I don't know the real reasons why that is (the bigger racquet is a popular opinion since Fed went 17-2 against Nadal/Murray/Wawrinka since AO14).
I hated Federer for years dude.Naah, he is just another Federer fanboy through and through.
He is just pushing his Fed agenda religiously by proping Feds main 2004-07 competition Hewitt and Roddick.
I suspect he even likes Hewitt that much tbh, but the Myth about the Peak Fed has to be protected by any means, and sometimes in the process you have to swallow some bitter pills I suppose.
2014-16 were very good, while 2017-18 were on 2004-06 level, considering results of top players.He wasn't a weak opponent. Just saying this was neither his best period or his highest level. And please check stats again. According to my source, Federer went 51-23 vs top 10 from 2014-2018 with a 68.9% win rate. 2004-2007's no. 2, Nadal had a 65.1% win rate, which is not too bad. I don't think tennis in 14-18 was more competitive, especially 17-18. You don't see 32+ year olds log 90+% win records in competitive seasons.
2014-2016 was on 2004-2006 level.2014-16 were very good, while 2017-18 were on 2004-06 level, considering results of top players.
But Federer won more slams than Djokovic in these years, so the focus should be on 2011-16 (Djoko 11 slams, Federer 1) vs 2003-07 (Federer 12 slams, Djokovic 0).
Peak ELO:So mind doing a review of Hewitt without including his down years where he left the top 200?
You didn't answer my question, Lew. I don't care about ELO. It doesn't truly represent the level of tennis those players brought.Peak ELO:
Murray no.8
Ferrer no.17
Del Potro no.22
Hewitt no.26
Nishikori no.27
You didn't answer my question, Lew. I don't care about ELO. It doesn't truly represent the level of tennis those players brought.
For example, Hewitt from the years you include usually (2006-2016) lead Del Potro in the H2H and beat him in majors.
So why are you ignoring my request?
You are still ignoring my request, Lew. I don't care about these meaningless stats. Ferrer isn't anywhere near Hewitt in terms of peak level and you've got him above him.Most slam wins in a season in the 2000s:
Djokovic 27
Federer 27
Nadal 25
Murray 23
Wawrinka 21
Agassi 20
Ferrero 20
Ferrer 19
Sampras 18
Del Potro 17
Davydenko 17
Roddick 17
Hewitt 17
Winning percentage in a season:You are still ignoring my request, Lew. I don't care about these meaningless stats. Ferrer isn't anywhere near Hewitt in terms of peak level and you've got him above him.
You are proving yourself to be a joke, Lew.
You have called me an idiot before Lew. I guess I'm more tolerant than you are when they are thrown at me.Winning percentage in a season:
Murray 89.7
Ferrer 83.5
Hewitt 81.6
There's not a single stat in which Hewitt impresses me, I'm sorry.
Reported. Why do you always have to insult?
You have called me an idiot before Lew. I guess I'm more tolerant than you are when they are thrown at me.
I never reported you either, but since you're being challenged and can't accept it..
What's his winning percentage or even his ELO ranking without including his 2006-2016 years?
The difference between Murray and Hewitt is Murray's incredible consistency at the top. The guy was in the top 5 and making slam SFs and Finals for close to 10 years straight. Hewitt in comparison was a top 5 player for half that time. I would rate them in the same tier, however Murray would edge out Hewitt had we rank them for Open Era 'greatness'.Because it was a round robin match and not a Slam final. The level of difference in importance is huge. It's not an excuse but just a reality. They both played terrible matches but Hewitt played 6 matches to get to that final without dropping a set just to be destroyed.
Yes he has. You are just in denial because you're a big Hewitt fan. Murray's consistent high level career dwarfs Hewitt's and Hewitt's one extra WTF does not cover it. Murray has over 400 weeks in the top 5 and Hewitt doesn't even have 200.
Nalbandian didn't beat Federer in two big finals.
What do you want to be told?2006 Cincy R32 Murray-Federer 7:5 6:4
2008 Dubai R32 Murray- Federer 6:7 6:3 6:4
2008 USO Final Federer- Murray 6:2 7:5 6:2
2008 Madrid SF Murray-Federer 3:6 6:3 7:5
2008 TMC RR Murray- Federer 4:6 7:6 7:5
2009 Doha SF Murray-Federer 6:7 6:2 6:2
2009 IW SF Murray-Federer 6:3 4:6 6:1
2009 Cincy SF Federer-Murray 6:2 7:6
2009 ATP Finals Federer-Murray 3:6 6:3 6:1
2010 AO Final Federer-Murray 6:3 6:4 7:6
2010 Canada Final Murray-Federer7:5 7:5
2010 Shanghai Final Murray-Federer 6:3 6:2
2010 ATP Finals RR Federer-Murray 6:4 6:2
Total:
Murray-Federer 8-5
What is this tells us?
I think Andy Murray is very underrated here!
Who is *****? Lots of stars.Forget about the H2H, ******* won 3 slams, same as Murray
Until now he aged better than Federer, at 28-31 he won three times more slams than him (6 to 2).
Naah, your Federer idolatry is coming out of your ears. You aren't fooling anybody buddy.
Was that just after Brooklyn Decker agreed to marry him?
Typed the mix of Old and Federer. I had forgotten that O-l-d-e-r-e-r is a black-listed word hereWho is *****? Lots of stars.
Some blacked listed words here are ridiculous.Typed the mix of Old and Federer. I had forgotten that O-l-d-e-r-e-r is a black-listed word here