The Murray-Federer rivalry in 2006-10!
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
He's won 2 sets in 7 matches against Federer but this is supposed to be a solid comparison to Djokovic/Murray? Yea..no.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Murray hasn't played Federer in over 3 years and they didn't play in 2016, which was Murray's best year. Just like Federer made Murray look pedestrian after 2013, Murray made Federer look pedestrian in 2006-2009 when he won 6/7 matches against him. I don't think Del Potro got this memo either since 15/20 matches since RG 2009 have been dog fights.
oldmanfan
Legend
Agreed that Delpo plays well against Fed. He does have the 3 abilities I mentioned needed to consistently challenge the OldMan right (serve/consistency/movement)? Many disparage Fed's contemporaries based on results, especially against Fed, so we should be consistent when look at Murray/Delpo's results too no?
Yes, Murray's 2016 was his best year, results wise. Was Fed not playing through WB16 even thought injured mostly? They just didn't meet. It is what it is. Up to AO16, Fed was clearly #2 from 2014-AO16. Fed was around since AO17 again, but Murray couldn't meet him at AO17 was Fed's fault? Yes, Murray end up injured in 2017, but Fed was there regardless. He was there this year too. It's not like Fed made himself scarce for Murray to meet him. The exception being
Canada16-WTF16 (Murray's best 'section' of results), but would you gloat if Murray beat an injured Fed in that period? But if Fed was in 2014-AO16 form, would Murray manage to win much over that Fed? Probably not, and Murray would likely not get 2016 YE#1.
All guesses though, so doesn't really matter.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It's not about it being anybody's fault that they haven't played in over 3 years. They just haven't played so it's kind of misleading to say Murray hasn't beaten Federer in over 5 years when they haven't played in 3 of them.
oldmanfan
Legend
Your statement is true. The facts are also so (that they didn't play in the last 3yrs, which extended to 5yrs). I was messing around a bit there.
We can both agree that Murray's only real chance to beat Fed was from Canada16-WTF16 bc Fed was coming back from a surgery-injury. We can also both agree that Murray would have almost no chance against AO17-Fed to WTF18-Fed bc even as horrid as Fed has been since WB18, Murray was in even worse shape (mostly injured
), unfortunately.Sputnik Bulgorov
Professional
He wasn't a weak opponent. Just saying this was neither his best period or his highest level. And please check stats again. According to my source, Federer went 51-23 vs top 10 from 2014-2018 with a 68.9% win rate. 2004-2007's no. 2, Nadal had a 65.1% win rate, which is not too bad. I don't think tennis in 14-18 was more competitive, especially 17-18. You don't see 32+ year olds log 90+% win records in competitive seasons.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Your statement is true. The facts are also so (that they didn't play in the last 3yrs, which extended to 5yrs). I was messing around a bit there.
We can both agree that Murray's only real chance to beat Fed was from Canada16-WTF16 bc Fed was coming back from a surgery-injury. We can also both agree that Murray would have almost no chance against AO17-Fed to WTF18-Fed bc even as horrid as Fed has been since WB18, Murray was in even worse shape, unfortunately.
I don't know about that being Murray's only chance to beat Federer. Murray was in great form in 2015 Canada and took out Djokovic in the final and he was in good from in other tournaments as well such as 2015 and 2016 Madrid, and 2016 Rome. They really didn't play but twice in 2015 when Federer played Djokovic 8 times and Murray played him 7 times.
oldmanfan
Legend
Those 2015 Murrays may have a better chance to win, but they didn't meet in those tournaments, so it's moot. And matches between 2 players could play out very differently even when looking at their forms in the previous few matches. Look at WB15-SF Fed vs. WB15-F Fed. Based on form, many were picking Fed as the fav against Djokovic for the title after he beat Murray. We know how that went.
2014+ Fed just became a very difficult match-up for Murray even though it wasn't so before then. Fed became older, so I don't know the real reasons why that is (the bigger racquet is a popular opinion since Fed went 17-2 against Nadal/Murray/Wawrinka since AO14).
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
The whole thing is moot but since you brought it up I am just explaining that Murray had other chances to beat him had they met. As far as 2015 Wimbledon, that is an entirely different situation. Many picked Federer but I knew Djokovic was still the favorite in that match which had nothing to do with me being his fan. People have been underestimating Djokovic his whole career and that was no exception. They wrongly assumed that Federer was going to be able to boss Djokovic on his forehand side like he did to Murray which was never going to happen and they didn't realize that Djokovic's returning that tournament was not going to let him be boxed into 23% return points won like Murray. But I'm getting off topic.
Murray lost all his matches in 2014 to Djokovic, Federer and Nadal because he really didn't play his best that year after coming back from back surgery. So I really wouldn't weigh those 2014 matches that heavily. Federer played Murray twice in 2015 when he was in rare form, and Federer also beat Djokovic in 2015 Cincy, so he didn't play him earlier in the year like in clay season or in tournaments where he wasn't at his best like Paris and Shanghai. I would have backed Murray to win if they had met at some of those tournaments.
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Deleted member 307496
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I hated Federer for years dude.Naah, he is just another Federer fanboy through and through.
He is just pushing his Fed agenda religiously by proping Feds main 2004-07 competition Hewitt and Roddick.
I suspect he even likes Hewitt that much tbh, but the Myth about the Peak Fed has to be protected by any means, and sometimes in the process you have to swallow some bitter pills I suppose.
Ask Djokovic2011, NoleFam and plenty of others from the Djokovic fanbase. They can tell I like Hewitt first and not Federer because I don't always interject in every conversation about Federer unless Lleyton comes up.
Which 9 times out of 10 is either you or Lew.Also agree to disagree @NoleFam. Our conversation isn't going anywhere and we aren't changing each others minds. Our opinions don't border on disrespect persay so we can just go to sleep knowing we just feel differently about this.
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Also @Nadal_Django you are aware I've actually met Bec Cartwright before right? This was before she was with Lleyton and when I was still in school. She came to give a talk about personal growth.
This was before she was with Lleyton and when I was still in school. She came to give a talk about personal growth. 
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
2014-16 were very good, while 2017-18 were on 2004-06 level, considering results of top players.
But Federer won more slams than Djokovic in these years, so the focus should be on 2011-16 (Djoko 11 slams, Federer 1) vs 2003-07 (Federer 12 slams, Djokovic 0).
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2014-2016 was on 2004-2006 level.
And I don't care about your stats, no way Raonic or Cilic even stand up to the guys from that era you rubbish.
So mind doing a review of Hewitt without including his down years where he left the top 200?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
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Deleted member 307496
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You didn't answer my question, Lew.
I don't care about ELO. It doesn't truly represent the level of tennis those players brought. For example, Hewitt from the years you include usually (2006-2016) lead Del Potro in the H2H and beat him in majors.
So why are you ignoring my request?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
You didn't answer my question, Lew.
For example, Hewitt from the years you include usually (2006-2016) lead Del Potro in the H2H and beat him in majors.
So why are you ignoring my request?
Most slam wins in a season in the 2000s:
Djokovic 27
Federer 27
Nadal 25
Murray 23
Wawrinka 21
Agassi 20
Ferrero 20
Ferrer 19
Sampras 18
Del Potro 17
Davydenko 17
Roddick 17
Hewitt 17
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Deleted member 307496
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You are still ignoring my request, Lew.
I don't care about these meaningless stats. Ferrer isn't anywhere near Hewitt in terms of peak level and you've got him above him.You are proving yourself to be a joke, Lew.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Winning percentage in a season:You are still ignoring my request, Lew.
You are proving yourself to be a joke, Lew.
Murray 89.7
Ferrer 83.5
Hewitt 81.6
There's not a single stat in which Hewitt impresses me, I'm sorry.
Reported. Why do you always have to insult?
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Deleted member 307496
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You have called me an idiot before Lew.
I guess I'm more tolerant than you are when they are thrown at me. I never reported you either, but since you're being challenged and can't accept it..
What's his winning percentage or even his ELO ranking without including his 2006-2016 years?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
You have called me an idiot before Lew.
I never reported you either, but since you're being challenged and can't accept it..
What's his winning percentage or even his ELO ranking without including his 2006-2016 years?
I insulted you once, you insult me every day. Is that the same?
Hewitt doesn't impress me for the reasons you know, I'll stop here.
Druss
Hall of Fame
The difference between Murray and Hewitt is Murray's incredible consistency at the top. The guy was in the top 5 and making slam SFs and Finals for close to 10 years straight. Hewitt in comparison was a top 5 player for half that time. I would rate them in the same tier, however Murray would edge out Hewitt had we rank them for Open Era 'greatness'.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Yes, he did: 2005 YEC and 2007 Madrid.
Prabhanjan
Professional
Forget about the H2H, ******* won 3 slams, same as Murray
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
What do you want to be told?2006 Cincy R32 Murray-Federer 7:5 6:4
2008 Dubai R32 Murray- Federer 6:7 6:3 6:4
2008 USO Final Federer- Murray 6:2 7:5 6:2
2008 Madrid SF Murray-Federer 3:6 6:3 7:5
2008 TMC RR Murray- Federer 4:6 7:6 7:5
2009 Doha SF Murray-Federer 6:7 6:2 6:2
2009 IW SF Murray-Federer 6:3 4:6 6:1
2009 Cincy SF Federer-Murray 6:2 7:6
2009 ATP Finals Federer-Murray 3:6 6:3 6:1
2010 AO Final Federer-Murray 6:3 6:4 7:6
2010 Canada Final Murray-Federer7:5 7:5
2010 Shanghai Final Murray-Federer 6:3 6:2
2010 ATP Finals RR Federer-Murray 6:4 6:2
Total:
Murray-Federer 8-5
What is this tells us?
I think Andy Murray is very underrated here!
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Who is *****? Lots of stars.Forget about the H2H, ******* won 3 slams, same as Murray
Federer opponents 2010-2012: 25-26 years old Nadal, Djokovic.
Djokovic opponents 2016-2018: Murray, Wawrinka, Anderson, del Potro, Nadal for 1 match.
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Deleted member 307496
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Naah, your Federer idolatry is coming out of your ears. You aren't fooling anybody buddy.
Love it man. Because I admit Hewitt couldn't stand a chance against Federer I'm his biggest fan.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Was that just after Brooklyn Decker agreed to marry him?
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I like to think he serenaded her with that little piece of music. No chance of refusing the proposal.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Wrong thread
titoelcolombiano
Legend
MuryGOAT
Prabhanjan
Professional
Typed the mix of Old and Federer. I had forgotten that O-l-d-e-r-e-r is a black-listed word here
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Some blacked listed words here are ridiculous.Typed the mix of Old and Federer. I had forgotten that O-l-d-e-r-e-r is a black-listed word here
It would not surprise me that “common sense” will be a black listed word in the future.
