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nvr2old

nvr2old

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letplaytennis said:
Thanks for the feedback.

I'll see how it plays later this week. Worst case scenario I sell it and not be out much $ on it.
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Yup true. Many others love the 16x19 TC97 so I may be an outlier. Keepers for me were the TC95 16x19 and TC97 18x20. Liked the TC100 too but the Prince Phantom Pro 100p set them out to pasture. Would like to try a K7 but haven’t found a used one yet in my specs at right price. Good luck.
 
JOSHL

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
nvr2old said:
Yup true. Many others love the 16x19 TC97 so I may be an outlier. Keepers for me were the TC95 16x19 and TC97 18x20. Liked the TC100 too but the Prince Phantom Pro 100p set them out to pasture. Would like to try a K7 but haven’t found a used one yet in my specs at right price. Good luck.
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If I still have my K7 at the next meetup you can try it!
 
OlgaOM

OlgaOM

Rookie
Kurt0707 said:
Anyone played with K7 Lime and also TC97 16x19, based on specs TC97 is expected to be less flex with more power, and probably also more spin. Curious about how each performs on groundstokes, OHBH top-spin and slices, serves and volleys. Is K7 lime better for doubles and TC97 for singles for example?
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@Kurt0707 I recently bought TC97 16x19 310g(11oz) / 315mm(9ptsHL) and K7 Lime both strung with Halo2. Since they arrived I mainly played with TC97 cause it is closer to my regular racquet in terms of specs and string pattern, with K7 lime I played for about 3-4 hours so far.
With TC97 it is easier to generate more top spin, in terms of precision I would rate them the same. I feel like K7 lime is a bit more forgiving on off center shots, though TC97 is also an easy one to play with (compared to PS97). K7 Lime swings heavier, and I would say it is a bit more powerful than my TC97, but no rocket launchers with either of the sticks, just nice deep shots...
I use both 2HBH (mainly) and OHBH - K7 works better for me when I hit OHBH. Strangely enough, even though K7 Lime is heavier than my TC97 it fatigues my shoulder less...
In terms of serves they work almost the same for me, though, THC97 is a bit more precise (I usually have slice or kick serves).
Both racquets feel solid and maneuverable by the net, though, my opponents are usually ~3.5 females, so they give me nothing crazy in terms of pace... And I mainly play doubles, only had 1 singles match and played with K7 as expected - I reckon, not much difference here in terms of which racquet to use for doubles vs. singles games.
As of now, I do really enjoy playing with either of the racquets...I guess, will have to sell my Wilsons if it goes like this :)
Hope this helps.
 
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letplaytennis

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
WOW!

I've been playing with the RF97A for about 2 years now and just hit with me new to me Angell TC97, 330g, 315mm balance @ 9pts HL. This stick is a beast! All of my shots had considerable more pace and control. Granted, the Angell was strung with full poly, unknown brand and tension to me right now, whereas the RF97A was strung with my favorite poly/syn gut setup.

Since I bought 1 of the 2 rackets from the auction site, I'm thinking of buying the 2nd matching racket, but debating buying a new one. Trying to justify the cost of one new racket vs 2 slightly used rackets, AND not having to wait for them to be made and shipped.

There is noticeable difference between the two stick but I cannot yet comment whether this is due to the string differences. I'll string with my setup and report back.

Anyway, I think I'm all aboard the Angell train.

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I would also like to comment that this thread is packed with information regarding Angell rackets. I think I have spent a few weeks reading here and there. What I would appreciate, and I"m sure others would to, some sort of Angell rackets cheat sheet that clearly and briefly describes each rackets playability and other characteristics. I know that this is subjective from player to player, but would provide a good basis to make a purchase.

Anyway, I'm glad I FINALLY made the purchase and looking forward to playing with these sticks.
 
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letplaytennis

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
Bought the 2nd matching racket from the seller, that's how awesome they played. Found out that the strings were Pro's Pro Cyclone Power strung at 52 lbs. Ordered a reel, that's how great they've felt.
 
clutch21

clutch21

Rookie
I need some input. I'm planning on ordering the V3 TC95 18x20 63 RA. Curiosity has got the better of me even though my classic TC95 is perfect. My current TC95s are 320g 12 pts HL. I'm debating whether to up the weight for a little more plow through by going with the 330g 12 pt HL version. Main thing I'm worried about though is how much the swing weight will increase. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
clutch21 said:
I need some input. I'm planning on ordering the V3 TC95 18x20 63 RA. Curiosity has got the better of me even though my classic TC95 is perfect. My current TC95s are 320g 12 pts HL. I'm debating whether to up the weight for a little more plow through by going with the 330g 12 pt HL version. Main thing I'm worried about though is how much the swing weight will increase. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Swing weight will not increase as the added weight will be in the handle. Angells have a weight system in different holes under the pallets for weight/balance adjustments. Another thing to think about is same weight and 10HL which plays great and will have more punch then your setup
 
clutch21

clutch21

Rookie
topspn said:
Swing weight will not increase as the added weight will be in the handle. Angells have a weight system in different holes under the pallets for weight/balance adjustments. Another thing to think about is same weight and 10HL which plays great and will have more punch then your setup
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I think it would have to increase SW some. Even if you add nothing but weight to the handle, the force needed to rotate the racquet at the focal point (the handle) would increase, albeit less so than adding weight at the hoop. The 320g 10 HL is an interesting idea. How’s the swing weight compare between a 320 10 and a 330 12?
 
saleem

saleem

Semi-Pro
clutch21 said:
I think it would have to increase SW some. Even if you add nothing but weight to the handle, the force needed to rotate the racquet at the focal point (the handle) would increase, albeit less so than adding weight at the hoop. The 320g 10 HL is an interesting idea. How’s the swing weight compare between a 320 10 and a 330 12?
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any weight added to grip area is not going to increase sw, the higher you go toward the hoop of the racket the more sw will be added
Here is ttw place where you can go experiment by adding weights on different points http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php
 
topspn

topspn

Legend
clutch21 said:
I think it would have to increase SW some. Even if you add nothing but weight to the handle, the force needed to rotate the racquet at the focal point (the handle) would increase, albeit less so than adding weight at the hoop. The 320g 10 HL is an interesting idea. How’s the swing weight compare between a 320 10 and a 330 12?
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Ok, maybe you’ll get an .1 increase SW ;) The balance will not change the SW since you’re just switching weight spots under the pallets
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
K7 Lime with 10 grams lead
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t_pac

t_pac

Semi-Pro
That's a fair bit of lead...SW somewhere around 345?

Have you hit with it in that setup yet?

We need more specs - final static weight, balance etc!
 
Carreau

Carreau

Semi-Pro
For those who uses Sergetti method. I'm wondering if tension sheet will be the same in both cases:
-- we are inputing same string, but different tension for mains and crosses, let's say 22/20, resulting final reference tension 21kg.
-- we are inputing same string, same tension mains and crosses - 21kg, reference tension 21kg.

What do you think?
 
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ed70

Professional
OlgaOM said:
@Kurt0707 I recently bought TC97 16x19 310g(11oz) / 315mm(9ptsHL) and K7 Lime both strung with Halo2. Since they arrived I mainly played with TC97 cause it is closer to my regular racquet in terms of specs and string pattern, with K7 lime I played for about 3-4 hours so far.
With TC97 it is easier to generate more top spin, in terms of precision I would rate them the same. I feel like K7 lime is a bit more forgiving on off center shots, though TC97 is also an easy one to play with (compared to PS97). K7 Lime swings heavier, and I would say it is a bit more powerful than my TC97, but no rocket launchers with either of the sticks, just nice deep shots...
I use both 2HBH (mainly) and OHBH - K7 works better for me when I hit OHBH. Strangely enough, even though K7 Lime is heavier than my TC97 it fatigues my shoulder less...
In terms of serves they work almost the same for me, though, THC97 is a bit more precise (I usually have slice or kick serves).
Both racquets feel solid and maneuverable by the net, though, my opponents are usually ~3.5 females, so they give me nothing crazy in terms of pace... And I mainly play doubles, only had 1 singles match and played with K7 as expected - I reckon, not much difference here in terms of which racquet to use for doubles vs. singles games.
As of now, I do really enjoy playing with either of the racquets...I guess, will have to sell my Wilsons if it goes like this :)
Hope this helps.
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Wow the lime is more powerful than tc97 16x19. I found the red low powered which was ok and really lacking in plow which was the main problem, thought lime would have similar traits. I’ve said before that the tc97 16x19 plays as if the patterns more closed than it looks, has a low launch angle and slices heavy too.
 
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ed70

Professional
letplaytennis said:
WOW!

I've been playing with the RF97A for about 2 years now and just hit with me new to me Angell TC97, 330g, 315mm balance @ 9pts HL. This stick is a beast! All of my shots had considerable more pace and control. Granted, the Angell was strung with full poly, unknown brand and tension to me right now, whereas the RF97A was strung with my favorite poly/syn gut setup.

Since I bought 1 of the 2 rackets from the auction site, I'm thinking of buying the 2nd matching racket, but debating buying a new one. Trying to justify the cost of one new racket vs 2 slightly used rackets, AND not having to wait for them to be made and shipped.

There is noticeable difference between the two stick but I cannot yet comment whether this is due to the string differences. I'll string with my setup and report back.

Anyway, I think I'm all aboard the Angell train.

-------------

I would also like to comment that this thread is packed with information regarding Angell rackets. I think I have spent a few weeks reading here and there. What I would appreciate, and I"m sure others would to, some sort of Angell rackets cheat sheet that clearly and briefly describes each rackets playability and other characteristics. I know that this is subjective from player to player, but would provide a good basis to make a purchase.

Anyway, I'm glad I FINALLY made the purchase and looking forward to playing with these sticks.
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Good to hear...also your arm won’t drop off using the Angell
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
t_pac said:
That's a fair bit of lead...SW somewhere around 345?

Have you hit with it in that setup yet?

We need more specs - final static weight, balance etc!
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350 grams with overgrip, string and dampener. All the lead was added to the head, leaving it well balanced, I'm not sure how many stitches. It has the string volkl cyclone tour 1.30 with 52 lbs.

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Gee

Gee

Hall of Fame
Paulo Braz said:
No, original grip.

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Your strings (and maybe dampener as well) must be a lot heavier than mine as my K7 also weighs 350 grams.

I measured this as follows:
  • Strung with Head RIP Control 1.20mm and MSV CoFocus 1.18mm + Pacific O-dampener: 312 grams
    (Unfortunately I forgot to weight unstrung but I guess the strings weigh ca. 13 grams. Yes these ones are very light (thin) strings. The dampener weighs ca. 2,5 grams)
  • Lead strips: 10 grams (see picture)
  • Replaced original grip with TW Leather (trimmed): 22 grams
  • Yonex SuperGrap Overgrip: 6 grams
With this setup I measured the balance at 32,4cm (ca. 6 pts HL).
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Gee said:
Your strings (and maybe dampener as well) must be a lot heavier than mine as my K7 weighs 350 grams.

I measured this as follows:
  • Strung with Head RIP Control 1.20mm and MSV CoFocus 1.18mm + Pacific O-dampener: 312 grams
    (Unfortunately I forgot to weight unstrung but I guess the strings weigh ca. 13 grams. Yes these ones are very light (thin) strings. The dampener weighs ca. 2,5 grams)
  • Lead strips: 10 grams (see picture)
  • Replaced original grip with TW Leather (trimmed): 22 grams
  • Yonex SuperGrap Overgrip: 6 grams
With this setup I measured the balance at 32,4cm (ca. 6 pts HL).
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My unstrung is weighing 314.8g + 4.2g overgrap supergrap + 10 lead, + 2.8g dampener. The strings are quite heavy, I think it's around 18 to 20g.

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Gee

Gee

Hall of Fame
Paulo Braz said:
My unstrung is weighing 314.8g + 4.2g overgrap supergrap + 10 lead, + 2.8g dampener. The strings are quite heavy, I think it's around 18 to 20g.

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Did you already play with this setup? I only hit against the wall of my vestibule within my apartment while my neighbours aren't at home. :-D
It still feels maneuverable to me.
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Gee said:
Did you already play with this setup? I only hit against the wall of my vestibule within my apartment while my neighbours aren't at home. :-D
It still feels maneuverable to me.
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I played yesterday. Despite the configuration the racket remains well handleable. Regarding the string, I will soon change to one between 1.20 and 1.25mm and I will use 48lbs. In this configuration I played yesterday the racket was very powerful, allowed a quick swing and greatly improved the plow-through.

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Gee

Gee

Hall of Fame
Paulo Braz said:
I played yesterday. Despite the configuration the racket remains well handleable. Regarding the string, I will soon change to one between 1.20 and 1.25mm and I will use 48lbs. In this configuration I played yesterday the racket was very powerful, allowed a quick swing and greatly improved the plow-through.

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Sounds like a good plan! Thinner gauge strings will lower the swingweight and besides they'll give more feel as well.
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Gee said:
Sounds like a good plan! Thinner gauge strings will lower the swingweight and besides they'll give more feel as well.
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No doubt. I just put this string to compare with the K7 Red I had and I used the same string. Thinner strings will increase power, spin and plow-through.

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redmini

Semi-Pro
Fresh from Angell:
See their website. I have no idea about the name! The PJs ok to me but very different from the rest of their offerings.
Details as follows:
ASL 3
MADE FOR POWER

Constructed from High Modulus Carbon Fibre and strategically placed Siloxane layers the ASL3 is our most powerful player orientated frame.

Description
Brand new for 2019, the Angell ASL line is made for power.

In every shot, a player needs to reverse the momentum of the ball with accurate timing and swing speed. Targeted sections of the ASL frame are constructed with a layer of active Siloxane to dramatically reduce impact stress and incoming ball speed. This immediate reduction in ball speed means less power is absorbed from the players swing and more pace is loaded onto the outgoing shot. Full foam core inside the frame provides solidity whilst the high modulus carbon delivers the abundance of power that all Angell frames are renowned for.

Frame Construction Features

ASL – Active Siloxane Layer

HMC- High Modulus Carbon

Micro Braided Carbon

Foam Core



Unstrung Specifications

Headsize – 100″
String Pattern – 16×19
Weight -295g / 10.4oz
Balance – 325mm / 6 pts HL
Stiffness – 66RA
Swing weight – 285
Length – 27” / 685.8mm
Grip type – High Tack PU White
Full protection grommets




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prostaff junkie

Rookie
haqq777 said:
Link here:
https://www.angelltennis.com/product/asl-3/

Pic here:
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I don't know, not my jam. Specs are not something I'd be interested in. PJ looks meh as well. It comes off as a tweener basically it seems with 'power' in mind.
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To me the PJ is reminiscent of the old Vantage Bastcore frames. Awful PJ, but the BC20 was possibly still to this day the best bat Paul Angell has produced (in my opinion).

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haqq777

haqq777

Legend
prostaff junkie said:
To me the PJ is reminiscent of the old Vantage Bastcore frames. Awful PJ, but the BC20 was possibly still to this day the best bat Paul Angell has produced (in my opinion).

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Good to know. I never used that one. What were the specs for BC20?
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Angell with good news for 2019. But I still dream of a frame equal to tc95 with the material used in the K7 series.

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prostaff junkie

Rookie
haqq777 said:
Good to know. I never used that one. What were the specs for BC20?
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On this page.

http://www.vantagetennisintl.com/root/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=BC20

Same mold as the 95 he produces these days, same grommets and pallets etc.

49RA!!

This was due to the Bastcore construction. The didn't flex in the traditional way, they kind of recoiled, thus giving huge dwell time and a lot of power. They were special, rare as rocking horse sh#t these days.

I had a pair, sold them last year, like you do....

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