The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

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  1. Masayoshi

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    Haha, yeah she was #1 for way longer than you would think (over a year I believe in total?). She was one of the few stable people in a field full of headcases and injured people. She needs to find a real coach, and fast, before her career slips away with 0 majors won.
     
  2. Doublebounce

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    I think she has the game to take out Vika in the quarters, but I'm not sure where her fitness and stamina will be at. After long points against Woz, it looked like she could barely breathe. As a result, she started going for more winners and coming into net, which is what I think helped her win the match. She wont be able to beat Vika bashing from the baseline. If she uses her all court game and mixes it up with a few slices, maybe come to net, try to end a few points quicker, she will make it a very interesting match.
     
  3. vandre

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    i agree with you that wozzy seems lost. wasn't there a point in her career where her bh was something like a weapon? from what little i ended up watching of her match with kuzzy while chasing an 18 month old from room to room, it seemed like even when she got a ball she could have attacked, she just rolled it crosscourt. maybe she was waiting for kuzzy to flip her wig but but that didn't happen enough for woz to win.

    if you were coaching the woz, what would you tell her is the most important thing to work on? the serve (which is what every commentator harps on)? the forehand? the strategy?

    yeah, woz didn't do much but after the monumental mental collapses we've seen out of kuzzy in the past (uso final vs. henin) it was refreshing to see her be able to steal the momentum in a final set.
     
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  4. soyizgood

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    Woz needs to figure out for herself how she manages a match. She hasn't won a tournament without on-court coaching, iirc. That's item #1.

    Because nobody actually fears Wozniacki beating them outright, she should give her opponent something to think about. Why not deviate from the plan and attack first periodically? That way she can say she's more aggressive, she doesn't take much of a risk, and the opponent may overreact and find themselves out of place.

    Her net play definitely leaves much to be desired. She looks uncomfortable that close.

    The forehand is what it is. It's a rally ball FH by design. She can hit winners from it, but she only goes for it when the opponent has left a ton of open court. And at times when she mishits it. She cheats herself out of cheap points because more often than not it's just crosscourt to get herself back into position.

    Her backhand is her best wing, but even last year that side was breaking down more than usual. I don't think she trusts herself with being more assertive. Her DTL BH is quite good. She should incorporate a slice BH just to mix things up.

    Her retrieving by itself is not going to win a major. Her and her team should realize that.
     
  5. volleyandfun

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    first she needs to learn how to create points, simple retrieving is not good enough, next she needs to learn few more shots, slice, drop etc and of course net play, she goes to the net when she is forced and doesn't really know what do once she gets there, oh, and one more thing, get a real coach
     
  6. vandre

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    that's what i was thinking. there were several moments in the third set when i thought she had set kuzzy up to drill the dtl bh but instead she just rolled it cc and surrendered the initiative. daggone girl, it's the third set, it's now or never!!!!

    personally, i'd like to see her try some of this stuff at some 250 level tourneys where she's not gonna see "the big girls" right away so she could build up her confidence (i think that's flagging just as much if not more than her play is). i don't know when or where that will happen.
     
  7. Masayoshi

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    Woz simply developing more power, and being comfortable using that power, would go a long way to putting her in contention with some of the other top gals. Not to be a mindless basher, but to have enough power that it's her instinct to actually go for the winner when there's an opening. Won't be enough for the elites, but would be a start.
     
  8. NLBwell

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    Rory just got $200M. Maybe that's messing with Wozniaki's mind.
     
  9. Masayoshi

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    Even the highest male + highest female earner in tennis with their career winnings added together don't make that much.
     
  10. soyizgood

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    Li will be back in the top 5 next week.
     
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    Well to be fair that's endorsements. Federer has made a huge amount of money off the court, he's in the top 5 highest paid athletes in the world consistently year after year.
     
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    Almagro deserves to be added to this list.
     
  13. vandre

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    did he have a sex change??? :shock: jk!
     
  14. vandre

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    stupid double post! d'oh!
     
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    The doubles match between the williams sisters and errani/vinci is so painful to watch. Errani/Vinci won five games in the set by mostly targeting Venus and they're about to win.
     
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    venus was terrible out there.

    if she cant even carry her weight playing doubles with serena, she should hang it up.
     
  17. Brian11785

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    Venus hits two double faults at 4 all in the third to basically hand the match to the Italians. One of those second serves bounced closer to her own service line than the net.

    As much as I would be rooting for either of these players against Serena in singles, I still have a soft spot in my heart for Williams doubles. Sad to see them go out like that.
     
  18. soyizgood

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    I had him on the old What Wrong With Him thread.
     
  19. Masayoshi

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    LOL!

    Zvonereva, Safina, Almagro, etc.
     
  20. SLD76

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    why not?

    he played like a russian female.
     
  21. Masayoshi

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    To be fair, Almagro smiles more than all of them put together.
     
  22. tennisenthusiast

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    One more sensible match and I would take Li Na off this list.
     
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    Lol at kuznetsova only going well when least expected to.
     
  24. tennisenthusiast

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    That is WTA my friend. Expect the least expected! :)
     
  25. soyizgood

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    That's just the way she likes it. Otherwise, she has "Kitty Syndrome/Dinara Disorder" when all eyes are on her.
     
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    Hey, I'm already annoyed that Almagro (my pick to win the AO) lost...
    However, becaue the Williams sisters lost to the Italians, I felt a little better. :)
     
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    In other words, they are a bunch of loons ready for a rubber room.
     
  28. Ronaldo

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    That room is getting stretched to capacity.
     
  29. soyizgood

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    The AO QF's have been a dud. Looks to be all of them ending in straight-setters. Only 2 of them was reasonably competitive.

    Looking to be the big 3 + Li to duke it out. I HOPE these will be good matches.
     
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    Stephens needs to understand that when your opponent is hurt, put her away!

    Well, she got the job done. Congrats! Rest up, enjoy.... and get ready for Azarenka.
     
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    I guess Li regains her "Get Off the List Card." WTA isn't looking too bad at this event.
     
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    Lisicki is now the floor leader, despite Petrova's objections and stripping a title from Wozniacki in the process. Rearranged the deck a bit. Dumped Bondarenko as I don't expect her to return. Li is on parole.

    Kvitova, aspiring headcase, was the only person on the AO thread to not get a vote (even Kerber, Errani, Wozniacki, Other got votes). Has it really been 15 months since she won the YEC?
     
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    Yay, Eugenie Bouchard isn't on the list. :)
     
  34. jones101

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    Serena's busted ankle

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  35. Overdrive

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    That's how you shorten a tennis career.

    Besides that, what a tan! :shock:
     
  36. veroniquem

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    When I see a player as overweight as (current) Serena, I always think it's an injury waiting to happen. Pro tennis is a sport that requires maximum fitness (and mobility). If you don't have it, you're putting yourself at risk every time you step on the court for a match.
     
  37. Tcbtennis

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    It was great to see Li Na's performance last night. It was the first time that I watched her play this year. Some of her stinkers from last year are still fresh in my mind (esp her errorfest against Kerber where she hit about 70-80 unforced errors). The commentators last night mentioned that Carlos Rodriguez had worked with her to get a little more height on her forehand so that she would clear the net more and have fewer errors into the net. It was her forehand that impressed me the most, especially crosscourt. It really reminded me of how Djokovic had improved his forehand in 2011. She has such beautiful form and moves well across the court. And I like her aggressive ball striking. She wasn't aiming for the lines but because she is able to keep the ball out of the middle of the court with her strong backhand and now strong forehand and keep Sharapova on the run. I'm rooting for Li in the finals. I like Azarenka. I can tolerate her hooting (it's kind of melodious and is not a scream like Sharapova, Kirilenko, etc). She has lived up better as a post-slam winner than any of the other recent ones, bar Serena. I like Li better as a player on the court and a person off the court. But if Serena were playing I would be rooting for Serena to go all the way.
     
  38. Dedans Penthouse

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    Serena? .... d'ya just say: "what a tan!" ????

    uh...excuse me :?: :?: :?:
     
  39. Overdrive

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    Yeah.

    Can't you see the tan line between her ankle and the rest of her leg? :confused:

    Did you seriously think that was a racist statement?

    Please, adjust your glasses if you have any. If you don't, get some.
     
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    Would love to see Li win another grand slam, especially here where she has had her best results. Now that Kim is gone, no one can beat her in Australia!
     
  41. Ronaldo

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    Li Na looked in a mirror and saw No One, who just may beat her.
     
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    The entire crowd is gonna support Li Na after the MTO incident. Azarenka had better be mentally prepared in the final. Another panic attack would not go down too well...
     
  43. Dedans Penthouse

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    If so, fair enough, I take your word. That said, no glasses needed from this end funny guy.
     
  44. Ronaldo

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    Vika may be taking lessons from Mary Pierce on how to break momentum, eh?
     
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    That USO 05 Final MTO was farcical. Mary's back to back MTO's (11 mins) obviously inspired nerverenka
     
  46. onyxrose81

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    Even though she isn't my favorite, I am firmly Team Li Na. Azarenka disgusts me.
     
  47. Ronaldo

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    MP 3rd set v Dementieva was an MTO of beauty.
     
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    Um, Serena's not overweight. And she moves well (when healthy of course).
     
  49. Brian11785

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    Ankle injury is what did Seles in, right?
     
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    so says the guy with the nadal avatar....
     

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