Mainad
Bionic Poster
I have the evidence of his own testimony. What do you have other than just being a Djokofanatic who feels the need to trash whatever his opponents say while dutifully believing everything your hero says?
Tsitsipas reveals they found out his grandmother passed away just 5 minutes before the match
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I have the evidence of his own testimony. What do you have other than just being a Djokofanatic who feels the need to trash whatever his opponents say while dutifully believing everything your hero says?
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Assuming that is what happened, Daddy/Coach knows best how such news will impact his performance. Some players raise their level and go into "win just one for the gipper" mode.
President Ronald Reagan's greatest performance.
Do you have ANY evidence that he isn't lying? No! So STFU!
He can be a ****head who post bullshits on instagram, but he is not a liar.
You are going too far.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I have his statement. You have nothing but your own paranoid suspicions so how about you STFU?
LOL Scratch me please.
Sigh. Here we go again, turning this into a fan war. There is a nuance which is being missed here.
I would merely once again point out the following : a) Tsits DOES NOT say he KNEW about this tragedy pre match. He only says much later, that she passed away five minutes before the match. Five minutes before the match, they were on court warming up. How could he have been told then?
Judging by his demeanor throughout the match, I don't think he was told until later. There is no lying that I am accusing him of. Losing a loved one is a tragedy. I am just saying, from reading his post, and seeing his demeanour DURING the match, I don't think he was told till later. That's all.
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Oh, now you put me into my corner LOL
His insta post? I can't see those words you refer there as posted in the screenshot on the forum.
Ok, this is what it says on his insta post, and the same is quoted on the ATP website :
""Life isn't about winning or losing. It's about enjoying every single moment in life whether that's alone or with others. Living a meaningful life without misery and abjection. Lifting trophies and celebrating wins is something, but not everything. 5 minutes before entering the court my very beloved grandmother lost her battle with life. A wise woman whose faith in life, and willingness to give and provide can't be compared to any other human being that I have ever met. It's important to have more people like her in this world. Because people like her make you come alive. They make you dream. I would like to say that regardless of the day, circumstance or situation, this is entirely dedicated to her, and only her. Thank you for for raising my father. Without him this wouldn't have been possible.""
This DOES NOT indicate that he KNEW this news before.
Dude, if your worldview is "X is guilty before he is proven innocent", then I pity you.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I'm merely going by what the ATP article about it states:
"Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away".
Stefanos Tsitsipas Reveals Grandmother's Passing: 'This Is Entirely Dedicated To Her' | ATP Tour | Tennis
Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away.
www.atptour.com
Read the full article. The article only repeats his post that she passed five minutes before. The headline seems misleading, because neither his post itself, nor the article refere to that knowledge. I will repeat, NOTHING in his demeanor during the match, nor HIS OWN statement refer to knowledge pre match. It would be misleading to jump to that conclusion based on a headline which is (probably) sensationalised as click bait.I'm merely going by what the ATP article about it states:
"Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away".
Stefanos Tsitsipas Reveals Grandmother's Passing: 'This Is Entirely Dedicated To Her' | ATP Tour | Tennis
Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away.
I have been saying from the beginning that he is NOT lying. I am merely pointing out that he never claimed he knew about this tragedy from before. His own post doesn't say it. The ATP article doesn't say so. At best, we have a click bait headline which sounds all teary and dramatic, BUT Tsits himself hasn't said so.
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The ATP article is a seconday source which uses that Tsitsipas post as the primary one.I'm merely going by what the ATP article about it states:
"Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away".
Stefanos Tsitsipas Reveals Grandmother's Passing: 'This Is Entirely Dedicated To Her' | ATP Tour | Tennis
Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Excellent post.
I fear for Titspas. He looked completely crushed and forlorn after the loss.
My biggest fear is that this might lead to a downward spiral that could last months to years. Perhaps might even be permanent.
History is replete with examples of players who lost such GS finals and never really recovered.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, if the article jumped to conclusions about when he was told it should post a clarification after consulting with the guy himself. Until then, it stated what it stated and that's all any of us have to go on without second guessing meanings and interpretations.
The blurb on that article in the start seems misleading, because they merely go on to quote the insta post, which in itself DOES NOT state that he knew from before.
Nope. We have the primary source of the news, the insta post in this case.
the atp article merely references it. The post only refers to the passing away five minutes before the match, not that he knew about it. The post has also been inserted in this thread before. Look, I don't want to be debating on a personal tragedy. I've lost my grandparents, I know how devastating it is. I'm just saying that from the evidence at hand, it is impossible to conclude that Tsits knew from beforehand, that's all. In fact, from his demeanor through the match, it seems far more likely he was told only later.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Nope. We have the primary source of the news, the insta post in this case.
Look, I don't want to be debating on a personal tragedy. I've lost my grandparents, I know how devastating it is. I'm just saying that from the evidence at hand, it is impossible to conclude that Tsits knew from beforehand, that's all. In fact, from his demeanor through the match, it seems far more likely he was told only later.
Only Tsitsipas can clarify what he meant. If the ATP article misinterpreted him then he should probably contact them and do that.
Well, yes. TBF, though, having lost his Grandmom AND having lost his first slam final, I think reaching out to ATP to clarify the blurb on top of their article, would hardly be on his list of priorities.
TTW posters are just a small minority. I haven't seen any such arguments on social media yet.Of course but he should probably do it at some point to avoid us having unnecessary arguments like this.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm merely going by what the ATP article about it states:
"Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away".
Stefanos Tsitsipas Reveals Grandmother's Passing: 'This Is Entirely Dedicated To Her' | ATP Tour | Tennis
Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away.
Grandma passed away on Sunday
Stefanos posted on Monday
Looking back, this explains the serious face in the ceremony.
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Deleted member 770948
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When people lose a family member it often leads to depression and it makes them think things like sport are meaningless, and Tsitsipas said-
“Life isn’t about winning or losing".
So there is a good chance he cared less about the result.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Here is another Greek that raised his level upon hearing devastating news and won the match...
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Deleted member 770948
Guest
And then he lost to Agassi in the Final........so I can't be sure whether the news helped or hindered him overall........and even in the Courier match he may have played better without the news.
Tsitsipas' insta post, which is the primary source of that ATP article, DOES NOT state that he knew of her passing BEFORE the match. He only states that she had passed away ,5 minutes before the match started.
At that time, he would have been warming up on court, so odds are that he knew about this sad news only after the match. In any case, his demeanour throughout the match gave no sign that he knew about this.
I am not minimising the sadness if the loss, I am just saying that he himself does not claim to have known this before. The ATP article which merely cites his post, also does not claim prior knowledge in the article itself. This "carried the grief" is only on the blurb on the headline, which, by all accounts of the primary source (insta post), is inaccurate and merely a click bait headline.
Tsits looked disconsolate at the prize ceremony because he'd lost. I don't think he knew about this tragedy yet at that stage.
ATP Tour LOL!I'm merely going by what the ATP article about it states:
"Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away".
Stefanos Tsitsipas Reveals Grandmother's Passing: 'This Is Entirely Dedicated To Her' | ATP Tour | Tennis
Stefanos Tsitsipas revealed early Monday morning on Instagram that he learned five minutes before his Roland Garros final against Novak Djokovic that his grandmother on his father’s side had passed away.
Thank f***
Same.
Do you think he looked onto his watch and coincidentally it was exactly 5 minutes before the match? He was ALREADY on the COURT! Did you see him getting the news? No. Has he checked out the time? No. So he is full of it.
And you should learn not to use secondary sourced to argue a point of view. Nor should you be arrogant to push for it.
Bravo!Nope. We have the primary source of the news, the insta post in this case.
Look, I don't want to be debating on a personal tragedy. I've lost my grandparents, I know how devastating it is. I'm just saying that from the evidence at hand, it is impossible to conclude that Tsits knew from beforehand, that's all. In fact, from his demeanor through the match, it seems far more likely he was told only later.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
He did exactly the reverse of bouncing back, bottled a straight set win.
He never said that he knew it before the match. Read it again before throwing out accusations.
He said on the post that his grandmother died 5 minutes before the match - and you can know accurately when someone died naturally like his grandma, as death time would normally be recorded in such cases. So, he can know it later including the exact time and date.
You are full of extreme negativity.
Grow up!
You are either extremely negative to a pointless degree that you don't bother to read the post (you were never his supporter in the first place, right, so why don't just be like Medvedev and don't care at all - at one Med said that he no longer cared about Tsitsipas thing at all. For someone who is not a supporter, you take it way too personal), or you have reading comprehesion issues.
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Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
The Instagram post is ambiguous. It only says that his granny died five minutes before he stepped onto the court. Not clear that he knew about it when he started the match.
But every media outlet is spinning it that way.
Either these media outlets have additional info or are just engaged in shameless yellow journalism.
Stefanos Tsitsipas has made the heartbreaking revelation that he found out about his grandmother's death five minutes before his French Open semi-final against Novak Djokovic got underway.
The Greek star looked on track to win a fairytale maiden grand slam singles title when he took the opening two sets against the World No.1, only for Djokovic to stage one of the greatest comebacks in grand slam history.
But every media outlet is spinning it that way.
Either these media outlets have additional info or are just engaged in shameless yellow journalism.
Stefanos Tsitsipas has made the heartbreaking revelation that he found out about his grandmother's death five minutes before his French Open semi-final against Novak Djokovic got underway.
The Greek star looked on track to win a fairytale maiden grand slam singles title when he took the opening two sets against the World No.1, only for Djokovic to stage one of the greatest comebacks in grand slam history.
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randomtoss
Semi-Pro
Thanks to a small but very vocal number of posters this forum is turning to trash.
A player makes a pretty classical post about what's most important in life and the usual pyromaniacs go nuts.
A player makes a pretty classical post about what's most important in life and the usual pyromaniacs go nuts.
It makes for a more dramatic, click baity headline, that's all. TBF, Tsits himself in his post did not say he knew of the sad demise BEFORE the match. Only that it had happened.The Instagram post is ambiguous. It only says that his granny died five minutes before he stepped onto the court. Not clear that he knew about it when he started the match.
But every media outlet is spinning it that way.
Either these media outlets have additional info or are just engaged in shameless yellow journalism.
My guess is that he obviously feels very bad about her passing, added on top of the fact of his distress of losing his first slam final. Tsits is not a person to keep a stiff upper lip and his emotions to himself, no? He likes to detail his mental and emotional state on social media. So out it all comes.
I don't necessarily agree that's the best way to go about it, nor do I think this was the time for him to detail this personal, family event. But that's the way he functions. There is a chance, I agree, that he was obliquely using it to deflect from his loss - though that would be difficult to substantiate, given that his Post does not claim he knew of the tragedy from before. My personal guess is that this is just his way of coping, and possibly lessening the sting and criticism of the loss. Not using it as an excuse in and by itself. But that's just IMO, I could be wrong.
