Tsitsipas reveals they found out his grandmother passed away just 5 minutes before the match

[Raul_SJ]

We need clarification from the Philosopher.
But the media is sensationalizing it and claiming that it affected his performance.





Greek tennis sensation Stefanos Tsitsipas learnt of his grandmother’s death five minutes before his match with Novak Djokovic at the French Open.

The news no doubt would’ve made an impact and played a deciding role in his loss against Djokovic.

 

[Krish872007]

So he found out 5 mins before the match or she passed 5 mins before the match and he was told afterwards?

Either way, sad news and hope he and his family recover from this loss.

 

[Jai]

We need clarification from the Philosopher.
But the media is sensationalizing it and claiming that it affected his performance.





Greek tennis sensation Stefanos Tsitsipas learnt of his grandmother’s death five minutes before his match with Novak Djokovic at the French Open.

The news no doubt would’ve made an impact and played a deciding role in his loss against Djokovic.

from the evidence before us, that is , his insta post and his demeanor during the match, it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he came to know about this loss from before. He has also kept his post accurate, factually, on that count.

Media will go to town with their own clickbait headlines. Should Tsits clarify? Well, yes, he should. But realistically, after enduring the loss of his Grandmom and a heartbreaking loss in his first slam final, making this clarification will not be high on his list of priorities. Especially if the probably wrong interpretation works in his favour.

 

[Jai]

So he found out 5 mins before the match or she passed 5 mins before the match and he was told afterwards?

Either way, sad news and hope he and his family recover from this loss.

Well, from his own insta post, it seems the latter. She passed away before, he never states that he got to know of it then. Logically, too, that is impossible as he would have been on court warming up, five minutes prior to the match. He COULD NOT have been informed then.

 

[DRII]

Absolutely brutal.

While it’s fun to crap on NextGen for their losses while holding a lead and inconsistency, I did come away from the match feeling quite sorry for Tsitsipas as a human. Having to go up against an 18 time Slam winner and the aura and experience gap of an ATG cannot be discounted mentally. Losing up 2-0 in your first final at age 22, and your body letting you down with cramps, after such an exemplary clay season has to hurt a ton. He looked shellshocked and really distraught after losing and that image of his head in his hands was tough to watch.

I’m not saying we need to feel sympathetic for these multimillionaire athletes but as a human being who was 22 a short while ago, I felt awful for him.

He should have won that match!

Even if he was playing Nadal, after hearing about his grandmother and the form he's had all clay season, I would still say he should have won RG!

What a shame

 

[Azure]

He did exactly the reverse of bouncing back, bottled a straight set win.

Across the net was Novak. Anyway, I meant bouncing back from this loss. Stef is winning slams for sure.

Btw how were the donuts?

 

[Deleted member 771911]

I think we should also consider that there may have been other forces at work encouraging the confusion as to when he found out. No names mentioned.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Across the net was Novak. Anyway, I meant bouncing back from this loss. Stef is winning slams for sure.

Btw how were the donuts?

Even if it was novak, there's no sympathy in my eyes for a guy who bottled a straight set slam final win against a vulnerable, struggling veteran. He even failed to generate a break point in sets 1, 3, 4 & 5 ON CLAY. Kudos to nole for gutting out yet another win, but tbf Tsitsipas messed up big time.

I forgot to click the photo of them, azure. Those were probably the best snacks I've eaten for a while.
The restaurant owner also recommended me some fluffy rice disks (idle or something he said) so I bought some of those too, the broth was a bit more spicy for my 'white' stomach but its okay. The 2 sauces they provided alongside were also amazing, one had fine grated coconut....

 

[major65]

Even if it was novak, there's no sympathy in my eyes for a guy who bottled a straight set slam final win against a vulnerable, struggling veteran. He even failed to generate a break point in sets 1, 3, 4 & 5 ON CLAY. Kudos to nole for gutting out yet another win, but tbf Tsitsipas messed up big time.

I forgot to click the photo of them, azure. Those were probably the best snacks I've eaten for a while.
The restaurant owner also recommended me some fluffy rice disks (idle or something he said) so I bought some of those too, the broth was a bit more spicy for my 'white' stomach but its okay. The 2 sauces they provided alongside were also amazing, one had fine grated coconut....

"no break point in set 1"????/ please check again...

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

"no break point in set 1"????/ please check again...

Except for a big mishit by nole at 4-5, I don't think Tsitsipas had any breakpoint. He was barely winning points on nole serve, gentleman.

 

[major65]

last game of 1st set for 6-6 was break for Tsistsipas

 

[Azure]

Even if it was novak, there's no sympathy in my eyes for a guy who bottled a straight set slam final win against a vulnerable, struggling veteran. He even failed to generate a break point in sets 1, 3, 4 & 5 ON CLAY. Kudos to nole for gutting out yet another win, but tbf Tsitsipas messed up big time.

I forgot to click the photo of them, azure. Those were probably the best snacks I've eaten for a while.
The restaurant owner also recommended me some fluffy rice disks (idle or something he said) so I bought some of those too, the broth was a bit more spicy for my 'white' stomach but its okay. The 2 sauces they provided alongside were also amazing, one had fine grated coconut....

I wish Stef had continued the form into set 3 but it is what it is.

I am glad you liked it. I know you had it during the second semi final but I am sure you will not let that prejudice you against the humble crispy donut!

 

[mike danny]

Condolences to Tsitsi. It's always tough losing a family member. Hope him and his family cope with it well and try to commemorate her the way she deserves.

 

[Jai]

Since this news (of Tsitsi's Grandmother's passing and when he came to know about it) has been discussed over a couple threads on the forum, pasting here what is being circulated on twitter. I don't know how to embed screenshot of tweets here, so am just pasting the content.

as an addendum to this i want to clarify Stef did not know of his grandmother's passing before he stepped on the court, as the quoted tweet mistakenly says. his family kept it from him and told him after his press conference.

after the press con, the president of the Cypriot community in Paris held a small get together for him, with some family and friends. he said that about ten minutes into that, his family told him his grandma passed and he left immediately.

 

[jm1980]

Since this news (of Tsitsi's Grandmother's passing and when he came to know about it) has been discussed over a couple threads on the forum, pasting here what is being circulated on twitter. I don't know how to embed screenshot of tweets here, so am just pasting the content.

as an addendum to this i want to clarify Stef did not know of his grandmother's passing before he stepped on the court, as the quoted tweet mistakenly says. his family kept it from him and told him after his press conference.

after the press con, the president of the Cypriot community in Paris held a small get together for him, with some family and friends. he said that about ten minutes into that, his family told him his grandma passed and he left immediately.

It wouldn't make sense for them to tell him before the biggest match of his career

Even during the presser, he said he was looking forward to the grass court season. Now, he just withdrew from Halle at the last minute

 

[Mainad]

And you should learn not to use secondary sourced to argue a point of view. Nor should you be arrogant to push for it.

I don't regard the ATP as a "secondary source" and, unlike you, I'm not arrogant enough to insist that it is.

 

[jm1980]

I don't regard the ATP as a "secondary source" and, unlike you, I'm not arrogant enough to insist that it is.

Pretty much any source other than Stefanos himself (or his family) will be a secondary source

 

[Jai]

Pretty much any source other than Stefanos himself (or his family) will be a secondary source

Anyway it's time this discussion was put to bed. Apostolos Tsitsipas was quoted as saying on Greece TV that Tsitsi was told of his gran's passing much later, after the presser also. The clarification is all over Twitter now. As to why the media houses ran with ambiguous headlines implying this was a factor in the loss ....is anybody's guess.

 

[daphne]

I don't regard the ATP as a "secondary source" and, unlike you, I'm not arrogant enough to insist that it is.

Why are you complaining to me? I really do not care what you consider in general.

 

[Mainad]

Why are you complaining to me?

You are the one complaining to me.

I really do not care what you consider in general.

That makes two of us so why are you bothering to pursue this pointless exchange?

 

[helterskelter]

I don't regard the ATP as a "secondary source" and, unlike you, I'm not arrogant enough to insist that it is.

This will depend on whether the ATP journalist(s) spoke to the Tsitsipas family directly (or to the hospital/coroner, which is unlikely), or just used the social-media post. If it just did the latter, then it is a secondary source, because the social-media post is the equivalent of a press release. Articles based on press releases are the journalist equivalent of a secondary source. For historians, a secondary source is one that is based exclusively on other historical research, rather than one that conducts its own research. So, a secondary source uses as its evidence the published work of other historians, while a primary source also goes to archives, or interviews people, or does some other original research beyond reading published material.

If the ATP spoke to the family, then its article could be considered a primary source.

Hard to tell in this instance, I think.

 

[helterskelter]

@Jai Good posts on this. Good to know that he probably found out afterwards. When Boris Becker won Wimbledon in 1985, his grandfather had died halfway through the tournament, but his family didn't tell him until after the event, a week or so later. I imagine he probably missed the funeral as a result.

By the way, one thing: I think you interpret "five minutes before the match" very literally. You seem to take it to mean "five minutes before the first point was played" and to think it strictly means five minutes. I imagine it means "shortly before," and so could be anywhere from two minutes prior to an hour prior. Also, one could argue that "five minutes before the match" means "five minutes before the players walked onto the court for the warmup" rather than "five minutes before the first point was played".

 

[Jai]

@Jai Good posts on this. Good to know that he probably found out afterwards. When Boris Becker won Wimbledon in 1985, his grandfather had died halfway through the tournament, but his family didn't tell him until after the event, a week or so later. I imagine he probably missed the funeral as a result.

By the way, one thing: I think you interpret "five minutes before the match" very literally. You seem to take it to mean "five minutes before the first point was played" and to think it strictly means five minutes. I imagine it means "shortly before," and so could be anywhere from two minutes prior to an hour prior. Also, one could argue that "five minutes before the match" means "five minutes before the players walked onto the court for the warmup" rather than "five minutes before the first point was played".

Point taken. However it has been apparently clarified in twitter by the family, that Tsits was indeed told of the loss only later, after the match and after the presser, too.

 

[Krish0608]

Condolences. It's been a heartbreaking day for him. Hope he's coping in the best way he can.

 

[weakera]

RIP

 

[Start da Game]

 

[FlamingCheeto]

RIP , family is always more important than the sport of tennis and infinite goat arguments.

 

[Cantconvert2MP]

Absolutely brutal.

While it’s fun to crap on NextGen for their losses while holding a lead and inconsistency, I did come away from the match feeling quite sorry for Tsitsipas as a human. Having to go up against an 18 time Slam winner and the aura and experience gap of an ATG cannot be discounted mentally. Losing up 2-0 in your first final at age 22, and your body letting you down with cramps, after such an exemplary clay season has to hurt a ton. He looked shellshocked and really distraught after losing and that image of his head in his hands was tough to watch.

I’m not saying we need to feel sympathetic for these multimillionaire athletes but as a human being who was 22 a short while ago, I felt awful for him.

Why shoulnt we need to feel sympathy for them just because they are millionnaire.

Damn, no wonder it's awfull to stay with poor people. Morally the lowest of the low.

 

[Kralingen]

Why shoulnt we need to feel sympathy for them just because they are millionnaire.

Damn, no wonder it's awfull to stay with poor people. Morally the lowest of the low.

Did you not read my post? I said I did feel awful for him, that moment.

In the grand scheme of things there are probably ~7 billion people who are in worse circumstances than the incredibly successful and rich 22 year old tennis player ranked #5 in the world.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Disrespectful to The Djoker.