Rabbit it is said that Jiri Novak is still using his T10mp's .....errrr.....arrrrrr..is it a c10 painted like a T1omp, but now painted like a Gen2? who knows.....he may still be using the T10MP but I do know that there are a few WTA pros who have embraced the T10MP-VE..it's pretty hard to disguise that one in paint. I look to what the WTA players are using, and that is often a good indication what people like us should be using, for none of us hit it like the ATP pros. I think your eval of the 10series frames is just right. I'll post something about the specs of the Gen2 when I get a chance to have a dance with her..think you confirm specs by playing with racquets, not looking them up....weather not so good in sunny FLa this day.
Volkl Tour10MP Gen2 Specs - available Feb
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Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
I would assume that Novak is playing with the Gen II. The specs are close enough that it appears to be the successor to the kingdom. That's the funny thing about rackets, there appears to be a couple of lines that a) are constant, and b) other manufacturers try to emulate. The best example of this is the Head Prestige. It has been around in one form or another for a bunch of years. Wilson had/has the ROK, or something similar, Volkl has the T10 Mid, Dunlop's 200G is close. The C10 is unique in the industry, closest thing I saw was the Wilson frame that was lighter, I can't remember the name. Most every manufacturer has a version of the Pure Drive now too.
You're right about the specs. It all depends on the hit. I'm looking forward to mine as well. I hope they play somewhere between the Tour 10 and the C10. If they do, then they're keepers.
You're right about the specs. It all depends on the hit. I'm looking forward to mine as well. I hope they play somewhere between the Tour 10 and the C10. If they do, then they're keepers.
Django
Rookie
My only concern about the Gen2 is the balance point -- supposedly a whopping 9 points headlight. The C10, apparently 8 pointts headlight, makes up for that w/ a hefty weight. (The Tour 10 MP is lighter that the C10 but "makes up for it" with a balance shifted closer to midpoint.) But if the Gen2 is a tad lighter than the C10 and even MORE flexible, won't there be a dropoff in power/swingweight?
django i wouldnt be too concerned about specs..they're only specs....a guideline, and there seem to always be conflicts about which specs are right. balancewise, these swing somewhere between the t10 and c10 but are lower swingweighted than both....they've a substantial feel to them, but seem easy to move. it's how they hit that counts obviously..i think this frame is just a nice tweaking to maximize performance.....some of the old <fiberglass> and some of the new........i have a hit tomorrow, and will post something after.
johnathan smith
Rookie
EdO,
Do you know where I can find a few c-10 pros?
Drop me an email:
jwhtennis777@yahoo.com
Thanks, JS
Do you know where I can find a few c-10 pros?
Drop me an email:
jwhtennis777@yahoo.com
Thanks, JS
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Rabbit said:
Rabbit,
I thought you were getting along pretty well with the nSix-One Tour 90's, no? Are you thinking of going back to the Volkls? I know you used to use a C10, but have you ever used the Tour 10 MP over any length of time? Is the honeymoon with the nSix-One Tour 90's over now?
LafayetteHitter
Hall of Fame
Ed,
What tension and string setup have you favored in the T10MP. Just wondering since I have a couple of them now, I will try one at mid tension for starters with an all multi job first, and second one whatever your recommendation is.
Scott
What tension and string setup have you favored in the T10MP. Just wondering since I have a couple of them now, I will try one at mid tension for starters with an all multi job first, and second one whatever your recommendation is.
Scott
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
NoBadMojo,
Just wondering how you were able to get your T10 MP GenII's so early? Did you order them from TW? The TW page says it won't be available until Feb. 1st. Thanks.
Just wondering how you were able to get your T10 MP GenII's so early? Did you order them from TW? The TW page says it won't be available until Feb. 1st. Thanks.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Sorry about that. The reason why I asked about the price was that I have a suspecion that he may have gotten them from Europe since they are not available in the U.S. yet, and was wondering if they are more there. And if he did indeed get them in the U.S., I was just checking to see what the MSRP may be. TW tends to sell Volkls at MSRP, but not always, so by comparing it with others, I would get a better sense of what the MSRP may be. This is also because the MSRP on the T10 VE MP is $180, so was wondering why the Gen II is $20 cheaper? (The recent trend has been increase in prices of new models of player's racquets, e.g., nSix-One Tour vs. Tour 90 vs. PS 6.0, LM Prestige vs. i.Prestige, etc.)
Don't worry, if I do buy the Gen II, I'll be buying them through TW.
Don't worry, if I do buy the Gen II, I'll be buying them through TW.
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
BreakPoint said:
I have gone back to my Volkls. The Wilson is a good frame and volleys exceedingly well, great feedback and touch. Unfortunately, I just didn't have the confidence off the ground with the frame that I do with the C10. I asked myself why I would go through trying to relearn a frame when I've got something that is as close to tailor made for me as I'll get. My answer was "I won't".
I used the Tour 10 MP for about 7 months. I sold them when I decided to go back to wood a couple of summers ago. I really liked the Tour 10 for many of the same reasons that Mojo has mentioned. While I love the feel of the C10, the additional stiffness in the upper hoop of the Tour 10 made the frame respond better on harder hit balls. I still consider the Tour 10 a tweaking of the C10 and overall probably a better product. But, since I had sold mine and had some C10s, I figured I'd just go back to them.
JS, you can buy some c10pros right here at Tennis Warehouse I think. Scott, i like my t10mp's strung right at 60 w. gut hybrid. this frame responds really well to various tensions and is pretty powerful at mid range and lower IMO. sorry cant advise you much on tension since i dont know your game. the suggested range is 50-60. if you were using another MP sized frame, you may wish to start at the same tension you were using before so you have a good ref point, and then tweak your setup. Yes I think BP was being rude.it isnt any of his business on top of what Django sez, not to mention that buying from Europe in USD's is pretty dumb these days with the exchange rate being so unfavourable. the MSRP on this frame is 180, so BP is also wrong about that too, and is also likely wrong about the MSRP on the T10MP-VE. besides, what does MSRP have to do with much anyway
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Well, NBMJ, that answers my question. The MSRP is $180. That's what I was trying to figure out. Same as the MSRP on the T10VE MP. I know that because I know a pro shop that sells all of their Volkls at exactly MSRP and that's what they sell the T10VE MP's for.
BTW, since Volkl is a European company, you are ultimately buying in Euros anyway since they have to convert your dollars into Euros when they repatriate those profits from U.S. sales. They will eventually be forced to raise prices if the dollar gets any weaker.
It's OK if you wish not to disclose how you got your GenII's so early, just say so. I was just curious. This is a forum to ask questions after all. No need to give me a hard time over it.
BTW, since Volkl is a European company, you are ultimately buying in Euros anyway since they have to convert your dollars into Euros when they repatriate those profits from U.S. sales. They will eventually be forced to raise prices if the dollar gets any weaker.
It's OK if you wish not to disclose how you got your GenII's so early, just say so. I was just curious. This is a forum to ask questions after all. No need to give me a hard time over it.
i dont think it fair for a poster to state that TW sells at MSRP when they, in fact, discount, and (seem to) often price at the lowest allowable price as suggested/dictated by the manufacturer. also, while Volkl is indeed a European company, the manufacturer(s) is/are located in China, and what's the point of the bad economics lecture anywho? thought we were talking about tennis racquets. i think this is a forum to ask reasonable questions and not inconsiderate none of your business questions, and people can pick and choose what they respond to. i am trying hard not to give anyone a hard time here...i'm just trying to be sure good info gets parsed. have a nice day.
Had a hit with the Gen2 today. This is one really really sweet bat! It's a little more of everything, and all of the 'older school' feel you can wish for. It's a frame for the modern game, but with a very traditional feel. For those of you knowing the sensation of a fiberglass hit, this has that, but has the juice you need. It swings a hair lighter than the T10MP, and noticeably easier to get headspeed on the serve, so for those of you turned off by the difficulty of serving w. the T10MP, the gen2 takes care of this..the frame plays closer to the T10 than it does the C10, but feels softer yet not noodley like the c10. This frame is really good at everything. it doesnt feel so headlight..nothing like the C10 and more like the T10 except just a hair more headlight. I would recommend this frame very highly..Volkl really did get it right, and this is a very worthy replacement for the c10 and t10 IMO. the only mod i needed for me is a leather grip. think it would be sweet if it came stock w. that nice volkl leather grip. i noticed more work on my volleys and serve, and from the ground i felt i could take long swings and mix up the power and spins.
SliceServe
New User
Ed,
Where are you feeling the flex on this frame? More in the shaft or the upper hoop?
I found it curious that your original specs had the RDC at 58 (strung) and TW has it at 61 (strung). Although this may seem "piddly" to most, my elbow can feel the diff. The Cat10 was around a 58 or 59 RDC but balls hit high on the string bed killed my elbow. That frame had a very stiff upper hoop. Wondering how the Gen2 compares.
Thanks
-slice
Where are you feeling the flex on this frame? More in the shaft or the upper hoop?
I found it curious that your original specs had the RDC at 58 (strung) and TW has it at 61 (strung). Although this may seem "piddly" to most, my elbow can feel the diff. The Cat10 was around a 58 or 59 RDC but balls hit high on the string bed killed my elbow. That frame had a very stiff upper hoop. Wondering how the Gen2 compares.
Thanks
-slice
LafayetteHitter
Hall of Fame
I have heard that the msrp will most likely be 189.99 so the TW price seems like a very good price. Never know with these msrp's until the item actually arrives I think.
Scott
Scott
lol BHud..i'm trying. i just think a disservice was done to TW here and wished to set the record straight. Scott the MSRP on this frame is 180. slice i would recommend this frame to anyone sufffering from some sort of repetitive use injury..this frame is very comfortable. of course, if you dont sweetspot it, it feels less than perfect like anyframe, but the sweetspot is very generous. flexwise, i really wasnt able to sense any particular point where the frame was flexing, but today was a chilly day...i may be able to later. it had enough firmness in the hoop where if you hit too high you still got some action on the ball. it's just a nice comfortable frame and loads of ball feel..it plays very soft within the sweetspot. yolkl, the gen2 swings a bit easier than it's v-engine brother, serves easier, and volleys with more control and feel, the vE version has more power, feels firmer in the throat, and is better from the backcourt if you are a baseline banger..the gen2 plays like a MP frame but with a really big sweetspot and the VE plays a bit like an oversized frame and with that comes a less precise stringbed. so i would recommend the VE for the baseliner and the gen2 for all kinds of play.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
NBMJ,
Thanks for the comparisons. I have two T10MP's and have hit many times with the T10VE MP. I have not used my T10MP's as much as my PS 6.0 95's because, as an all-court player, I just find I prefer a more headlight racquet. It sounds like the GenII could solve that problem as you said it is indeed more headlight than the T10MP. You mentioned that the GenII plays softer than the T10MP but would you say it also plays softer than the T10VE MP?
BTW, I never said that TW sells ALL racquets at MSRP. My exact words were "TW tends to sell Volkls at MSRP, but not always". At least the Volkls that I'm interested in. The T10MP sold for its MSRP price of $169 until recently when it was discontinued, and the T10VE MP still sells for its MSRP price of $179. So it is quite interesting that TW would sell the GenII for $20 below MSRP, that's all. That was the gist of my point and the reason I was interested in what the MSRP was. I don't see how this was a disservice to TW or rude for that matter. In fact, it should encourage more people to buy from TW.
Also, I agree no need to discuss economics here. I have an MBA from an Ivy League university and have worked in international business for many, many years including in China. Yes, the manufacturing is in China, but since the company is based in Europe, it must show profits in Euros to their shareholders (not sure if the company is listed on an European exchange or not), so they must convert all of their overseas profits into Euros at the end of each accounting period. That's why you don't see Wal-Mart report their earnings in Chinese RMB even though virtually all of their manufacturing is in China. They must report in US dollars. Just as BMW reports their earnings in Euros even though a significant portion of their worldwide sales is in the U.S. OK, that's enough economics. Let's get back to the GenII.
Thanks for the comparisons. I have two T10MP's and have hit many times with the T10VE MP. I have not used my T10MP's as much as my PS 6.0 95's because, as an all-court player, I just find I prefer a more headlight racquet. It sounds like the GenII could solve that problem as you said it is indeed more headlight than the T10MP. You mentioned that the GenII plays softer than the T10MP but would you say it also plays softer than the T10VE MP?
BTW, I never said that TW sells ALL racquets at MSRP. My exact words were "TW tends to sell Volkls at MSRP, but not always". At least the Volkls that I'm interested in. The T10MP sold for its MSRP price of $169 until recently when it was discontinued, and the T10VE MP still sells for its MSRP price of $179. So it is quite interesting that TW would sell the GenII for $20 below MSRP, that's all. That was the gist of my point and the reason I was interested in what the MSRP was. I don't see how this was a disservice to TW or rude for that matter. In fact, it should encourage more people to buy from TW.
Also, I agree no need to discuss economics here. I have an MBA from an Ivy League university and have worked in international business for many, many years including in China. Yes, the manufacturing is in China, but since the company is based in Europe, it must show profits in Euros to their shareholders (not sure if the company is listed on an European exchange or not), so they must convert all of their overseas profits into Euros at the end of each accounting period. That's why you don't see Wal-Mart report their earnings in Chinese RMB even though virtually all of their manufacturing is in China. They must report in US dollars. Just as BMW reports their earnings in Euros even though a significant portion of their worldwide sales is in the U.S. OK, that's enough economics. Let's get back to the GenII.
Yolkl there are similarities to the pro1 in the way they swing and play. both do everything well, but the T10mp got my vote because it did everything just a little better for me, and now the Gen2 does everything a little better for me than the T10MP. The Pro1 is a classic..a great stick, but i have a problem w. swinging a bat that isnt a full 27"..kind of like i got cheated somehow ;O....if anything i would favour the 1/4" longer than the slightly shorter. in short, i got less action on my shots w. the Pro1, but if you rip the ball, it's a great choice.
Django
Rookie
NBM, thanks a heap for the reviews. (And thanks for laying off the tiresome MSRP discussion and letting BP have his last word.) I'm drooling that the Gen2 seems to make needed improvements over my C10. With a slightly stiffer hoop, and a slightly larger sweetspot, it makes up for the very minor weaknesses of the C10. I'm pleasantly surprised that the Gen2 doesn't play TOO headlight. Can't wait for a hit! I found that my initial misgivings about the C10's "mushy" feel were all-but-alleviated by switching from a 16-gauge to a thinner 17-gauge multifilament, which gave them better bite and snap on the ball. I'd probably continue that, with a 57-pound tension (for starters). What do you think? And finally, are you considering the switch to a Fairway for weight/balance purposes? Or do you just like the feel of leather?
RedGinseng
Rookie
The Specs look promising. A little bigger headsize, a little less weight, a little more flexible than my current racquet. Moreover, NBM's words after the first hit. I want to switch to it if possible but money is the problem Grrrr I will stick to the 6.0 but NBM keep us updated.
Mojo-Thanks again for filling us in. The Gen II sounds too good to be true.
I hit again with the vet10 mid yesterday and that stick is really growing on me. It's just a blast to hit with, to the point where longballs are far less annoyng than normal.
For someone such as myself who is transitioning into using mostly topspin, gen II's (16/19)string pattern will probably be the deciding factor in choosing the Gen II over the VE.
So that will give me an X1,Pro 1 & gen II in my bag. Spec-wise these are all pretty close. The biggest difference is stiffness of the X1. I'll be interested to see if any of these pull ahead of the pack in singles or doubles.
I hit again with the vet10 mid yesterday and that stick is really growing on me. It's just a blast to hit with, to the point where longballs are far less annoyng than normal.
For someone such as myself who is transitioning into using mostly topspin, gen II's (16/19)string pattern will probably be the deciding factor in choosing the Gen II over the VE.
So that will give me an X1,Pro 1 & gen II in my bag. Spec-wise these are all pretty close. The biggest difference is stiffness of the X1. I'll be interested to see if any of these pull ahead of the pack in singles or doubles.