Where will Nadal rank on your GOAT list if he beats Djokovic in the final?

[Messarger]

Assuming they both go that deep and Nadal defeats Djokovic, I think it is safe to say that all the 2011 demons will be banished for good.

If that's the case, where will Nadal rank on the GOAT's list? How many GOAT contenders (Borg, Fed, Sampras, Laver, Rosewall etc) have had to turn around a 7 match losing streak against a main rival like Nadal has done against Djokovic?

 

[Phoenix1983]

Tough to say. I have him at 6th all-time right now, and winning the USO would be huge, as it wouldn't just be racking up yet another FO to boost his slam count. Especially if he beat Djoker to do it.

My top 5 are Fed, Laver, Sampras, Gonzales and Rosewall.

Would Nadal have a case for top 5 all-time if he won this USO? Maybe but it's hard to compare against Gonzales/Rosewall.

 

[kiki]

To determine majors that count for number of titles I would propose this
1990-2013: 4 slams + WTF+ Miami ( biggest TMS, played in USA,called ATP championships, played on hard...)
1970-1989: 4 slams + WCT+Masters ( no WCT in 1970)
Preopen: 4 pro slams + 4 am slams poundered by 0,5: so it is the equivalent of 2 slams

Now we need a 6th tourney for 1970, well why not discussing which? Sidney? Rome? SA Open

Lets make an example with Newk:
Open era points: 2 W, 2 AO, 1 US, 1 WCT : 6 points
Preopen: 1 W, 1 US x 0,5 : 1 point
Newcombe has 7 points

Let's take Emmo:

Very easy: 12 am slams x 0,5 : 6 points ( below Newk, no matter HtH)

I think this is a easy and pragmatic way to solve it out

One final issue; what about losing a major final?
I would give 0, 5 points , except am slams which rate at 0,25

Let' s come back to Newk:

In amateurs he lost the 66 US F to Stolle: 0,25 p
In open era lost 69 W final and 76 AO final: 0,5+0,5:1p

So rhe totals for Newcombe are the following:
7 p as a champion + 1,25 p as finalist: 8,25

Qhat do you think? Which is the 6 major of 1970?

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

I think very few people would seriously consider Miami as a 6th Major over the last many seasons.

 

[kiki]

To determine majors that count for number of titles I would propose this
1990-2013: 4 slams + WTF+ Miami ( biggest TMS, played in USA,called ATP championships, played on hard...)
1970-1989: 4 slams + WCT+Masters ( no WCT in 1970)
Preopen: 4 pro slams + 4 am slams poundered by 0,5: so it is the equivalent of 2 slams

Now we need a 6th tourney for 1970, well why not discussing which? Sidney? Rome? SA Open

Lets make an example with Newk:
Open era points: 2 W, 2 AO, 1 US, 1 WCT : 6 points
Preopen: 1 W, 1 US x 0,5 : 1 point
Newcombe has 7 points

Let's take Emmo:

Very easy: 12 am slams x 0,5 : 6 points ( below Newk, no matter HtH)

I think this is a easy and pragmatic way to solve it out

One final issue; what about losing a major final?
I would give 0, 5 points , except am slams which rate at 0,25

Let' s come back to Newk:

In amateurs he lost the 66 US F to Stolle: 0,25 p
In open era lost 69 W final and 76 AO final: 0,5+0,5:1p

So rhe totals for Newcombe are the following:
7 p as a champion + 1,25 p as finalist: 8,25

Qhat do you think? Which is the 6 major of 1970?

Lets play a bit and see Borg ( who as all know just played open era)

As a champ: 6 RG, 5 W, 2 Masters, 1 Dallas: 14
As beaten finalist: 1 W, 2 Masters, 3 WCT Dallas,4 USO all of them x 0,5:5 additional points

So Bjorn totals 19 points ( in fact, bit more than Newk double!!!)

There are, of course other factors like years being n1, DC and TMS or equivalent wins, HtH agaunst top ten etc
And there is also another and decissive poundering factor which we All need to monitorise: strengths of eras
My rate factor is:
1950,1970,1980: 100%
1990,2010-.1930: 90%
2000,1960: 80%
From 1900 to 1930: 70%
In Emmo' s case, since he played in the 60, his totals are: 6 x 0,80: 5 points player
In Newk' s case, he played the 70 and 60, so that the points aquired in the 70 are worthy 100% but those he acquired in the 60 would be worthy just 80%

I know my sistem is not perfect but is easy, measured, direct and most important of all...IT IS FUN

 

[Sim]

I don't have a GOAT list because I don't believe there is such a thing as a GOAT. Now if you asked who is the best of this era/period (in this case where Nadal ranks), that'd be much much simpler. He would be in the top 3 if he wins the USO whether he beats Djokovic or not.

 

[borg number one]

It would be a big step. I'd say Nadal would be in the top tier of all time greats. Then, if his form continues and he adds a Wimbledon title in say 2014, I think many more fans and tennis watchers would start asserting that he's in fact the "greatest ever".

 

[90's Clay]

I dont think he needs to beat Nole. Hes beaten Nole PLENTY of times in slams. Hell he just beat Nole at the last slam. ROFLMAO

Fed is in dire need of a slam win over Nadal more. He hasn't beaten Nadal at a slam in over 6 years

 

[Sim]

Lets play a bit and see Borg ( who as all know just played open era)

As a champ: 6 RG, 5 W, 2 Masters, 1 Dallas: 14
As beaten finalist: 1 W, 2 Masters, 3 WCT Dallas,4 USO all of them x 0,5:5 additional points

So Bjorn totals 19 points ( in fact, bit more than Newk double!!!)

There are, of course other factors like years being n1, DC and TMS or equivalent wins, HtH agaunst top ten etc
And there is also another and decissive poundering factor which we All need to monitorise: strengths of eras
My rate factor is:
1950,1970,1980: 100%
1990,2010-.1930: 90%
2000,1960: 80%
From 1900 to 1930: 70%
In Emmo' s case, since he played in the 60, his totals are: 6 x 0,80: 5 points player
In Newk' s case, he played the 70 and 60, so that the points aquired in the 70 are worthy 100% but those he acquired in the 60 would be worthy just 80%

I know my sistem is not perfect but is easy, measured, direct and most important of all...IT IS FUN

Yeah, in a thread about where Nadal would rank, you go completely off topic without mentioning Nadal even once through 2 posts. lol

 

[kiki]

Yeah, in a thread about where Nadal would rank, you go completely off topic without mentioning Nadal even once through 2 posts. lol

Do the figures yourself.I just offered help.LOL.

 

[Messarger]

I dont think he needs to beat Nole. Hes beaten Nole PLENTY of times in slams. Hell he just beat Nole at the last slam. ROFLMAO

Fed is in dire need of a slam win over Nadal more. He hasn't beaten Nadal at a slam in over 6 years

It's not just about beating Nole though. It's beating Nole AFTER having lost seven straight finals, on Nole's best surface in a final of a major. This is something Federer doesn't have in his resume despite all the records that he hold.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

he's already on the top of my list, right above sarah connor.

 

[Fiji]

I dont think he needs to beat Nole. Hes beaten Nole PLENTY of times in slams. Hell he just beat Nole at the last slam. ROFLMAO

Fed is in dire need of a slam win over Nadal more. He hasn't beaten Nadal at a slam in over 6 years

He's much older than Ndal while the Spaniard is less than a year older than the Serb.

 

[NatF]

I'd probably move him to being equal with Sampras or there about's.

 

[DragonBlaze]

It's not just about beating Nole though. It's beating Nole AFTER having lost seven straight finals, on Nole's best surface in a final of a major. This is something Federer doesn't have in his resume despite all the records that he hold.

Nole's best surface isn't Decoturf. It's clearly plexicushion, ie Australian Open.

I mean he lost to Murray here last year lol.

But yes it will be very impressive nonetheless.

 

[FreeBird]

It's not just about beating Nole though. It's beating Nole AFTER having lost seven straight finals, on Nole's best surface in a final of a major. This is something Federer doesn't have in his resume despite all the records that he hold.

2007 US Open final.

 

[Chico]

Nadal will not beat Djokovic in the final. Nadal is not even going to make it to the final. The hype is way too strong.

On the all time list, Nadal will always stay what he is. A lucky clay court specialist. Tier 2 at the best. i.e. a full tier below Laver, Borg, Sampras and Federer.

 

[Gandalf]

If that's the case, where will Nadal rank on the GOAT's list?

Comes to goatness, that one match would make no difference whatsoever.

 

[Ecoplex]

Can't be GOAT if you could not beat Federer at the US Open when he was in his prime.

 

[nadalbestclass]

Can't be GOAT if you could not beat Federer at the US Open when he was in his prime.

I don't know if this is serious or sarcastic, but there is very little Rafa can do given where he is in his career, to sway people his way in the GOAT debate.

I don't know if there is a GOAT necessarily, there are only records, and Rafa has already set enough records, to put him in the books as ONE of the greatest players to have played the sport.

 

[Ecoplex]

I don't know if this is serious or sarcastic, but there is very little Rafa can do given where he is in his career, to sway people his way in the GOAT debate.

I don't know if there is a GOAT necessarily, there are only records, and Rafa has already set enough records, to put him in the books as ONE of the greatest players to have played the sport.

He is for sure one of the all time greats.

 

[beast of mallorca]

Do the figures yourself.I just offered help.LOL.

No you did not help at all. Your figures are subjective
There's no GOAT in the first place even if Rafa wins 20 GS.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Nadal will not beat Djokovic in the final. Nadal is not even going to make it to the final. The hype is way too strong.

On the all time list, Nadal will always stay what he is. A lucky clay court specialist. Tier 2 at the best. i.e. a full tier below Laver, Borg, Sampras and Federer.

There's no way Borg can be put a tier above Nadal. If Nadal is "a lucky clay court specialist" then so is Borg.

 

[Chico]

There's no way Borg can be put a tier above Nadal. If Nadal is "a lucky clay court specialist" then so is Borg.

I disagree. Borg won Wimbledon 5 times when it was played on the real blazing fast grass. That is no clay court specialist.

 

[Backspin1183]

GOAT? Laver was a GOAT, Borg? Sampras was a GOAT, Federer is the current GOAT, Nadal likely the new GOAT in 2-3 years. Then more GOATs to come.

If Nadal wins a few more slams, he could be considered the greatest of his era.

 

[veroniquem]

Assuming they both go that deep and Nadal defeats Djokovic, I think it is safe to say that all the 2011 demons will be banished for good.

If that's the case, where will Nadal rank on the GOAT's list? How many GOAT contenders (Borg, Fed, Sampras, Laver, Rosewall etc) have had to turn around a 7 match losing streak against a main rival like Nadal has done against Djokovic?

Nadal already has a winning head to head vs Djoko. Rafa's head to head vs his rivals is excellent across the board. That's not what he needs to improve for GOAT. What he needs is a few more slam titles (regardless of who he beats) and a WTF would be nice (as well as a bit more time at #1).

 

[Day Tripper]

The boat has sailed long ago for Nadal in terms of GOAT discussions. The big issue for him is lack of weeks at number 1. He is so far behind Sampras and Federer at this point.

Weeks at number one is surely the next most telling stat after grand slams won in regard to assessing the achievements of a player.

On the presumption that he isnt doping I would be happy to include him in the top 5 of all time should he win a couple more slams.

 

[monfed]

This constantly forced fed concoction of Ralph overcoming Djokovic by the ****** fans and some butthurt Pete clowns really needs to stop. Ralph takes vacations when he's low on confidence and RIPE for the picking and then comes back to rack up wins when his opponents are burntout/mugmode due to overplaying or just racking up a ton of wins on clay and avoiding HC like the plague. It's not even clear Novak's gonna make the final given that he's gonna go up against DelPotro and Murray and suppose he does get by them he will be essentially running on fumes while Ralph will be fresh as a daisy after dispatching mugs like Ferrer who shouldn't even be in the top 4.

The fact that Novak thrashed Ralph at Wimby 2011 given that grass is Novak's worst surface but both players were in full flight, is all I need to know bout his superiority over Ralph at atleast 2/3 surfaces, Ralph hasn't faced peak Novak at RG so clay is still doubtful however I'm giving the nod to Ralph due to his achievements there. However, peak for peak, Novak is clearly superior over Ralph on HC and edges him on grass.

 

[90's Clay]

Hes beaten Nole enough (Hasn;t he won something like 6 of the last 7 matches vs. Nole or something?) . If Nadal can win the USO (and beat Fed in the QF) to me that makes him the greatest of the open era.

He will have beaten Federer in ALL 4 slams, he will begin another run at #1 in the world (or close to it), he will have obtained dominance in the h2h over ALL main rivals of the modern era, he will have 3 slams won on his weakest surface, he will be UNDEFEATED on his weakest surfaces.

Yep.. IN a few short weeks we should all be reasonably crowning Nadal OPen Era GOAT

 

[Hood_Man]

He could beat Deja Kitchiner in the final and his chances would go up imho.

 

[90's Clay]

This constantly forced fed concoction of Ralph overcoming Djokovic by the ****** fans and some butthurt Pete clowns really needs to stop. Ralph takes vacations when he's low on confidence and RIPE for the picking and then comes back to rack up wins when his opponents are burntout/mugmode due to overplaying or just racking up a ton of wins on clay and avoiding HC like the plague. It's not even clear Novak's gonna make the final given that he's gonna go up against DelPotro and Murray and suppose he does get by them he will be essentially running on fumes while Ralph will be fresh as a daisy after dispatching mugs like Ferrer who shouldn't even be in the top 4.

The fact that Novak thrashed Ralph at Wimby 2011 given that grass is Novak's worst surface but both players were in full flight, is all I need to know bout his superiority over Ralph at atleast 2/3 surfaces, Ralph hasn't faced peak Novak at RG so clay is still doubtful however I'm giving the nod to Ralph due to his achievements there. However, peak for peak, Novak is clearly superior over Ralph on HC and edges him on grass.

What?? Since when was Rafa at his peak in 2011-2012? Rafa's peak was more like Mid 2008-Late 2010

 

[monfed]

It would be a big step. I'd say Nadal would be in the top tier of all time greats. Then, if his form continues and he adds a Wimbledon title in say 2014, I think many more fans and tennis watchers would start asserting that he's in fact the "greatest ever".

The butthurt posse whose dreams Fed haunts every night would be on that bandwagon fosho. BTW how is Texas these days, hot as ever? :lol:

 

[veroniquem]

The boat has sailed long ago for Nadal in terms of GOAT discussions. The big issue for him is lack of weeks at number 1. He is so far behind Sampras and Federer at this point.

Weeks at number one is surely the next most telling stat after grand slams won in regard to assessing the achievements of a player.

.

Surely you're aware that Nadal is on the verge of recovering #1 right now?

 

[monfed]

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[monfed]

What?? Since when was Rafa at his peak in 2011-2012? Rafa's peak was more like Mid 2008-Late 2010

Peak starts when Ralph wins, peak ends when Ralph gets thrashed around like a ragdoll on all surfaces,even clay. :lol:

 

[DeShaun]

He'll break into my top 5 that includes Laver, Federer, Sampras, Gonzales, and then Nadal. Rafa would displace Borg. Rafa is better than Borg on clay currently, but Borg won the channel slam twice when the surfaces were considerably less homogenized and playing tennis very well arguably required players be much more skilled with a racket than today.

 

[veroniquem]

Rafa's career pattern is very different from Fed's. Fed has a very distinct and striking peak: 2004-2007. I don't think Rafa has a clear peak in his career, just an alternance of highs and lows throughout. Unlike Fed, his best years were not consecutive: 2005, 2008, 2010 and now 2013. They did not happen at a specific age (like mid-twenties for Fed) they're spread out in time spannig his teenage years, early 20s, mid twenties and now late 20s. His pattern looks a bit more like Agassi to me (less extreme but still) : very dominant stretches alternating with severe setbacks.

 

[monfed]

Rafa's career pattern is very different from Fed's. Fed has a very distinct and striking peak: 2004-2007. I don't think Rafa has a clear peak in his career, just an alternance of highs and lows throughout. Unlike Fed, his best years were not consecutive: 2005, 2008, 2010 and now 2013. They did not happen at a specific age (like mid-twenties for Fed) they're spread out in time spannig his teenage years, early 20s, mid twenties and now late 20s. His pattern looks a bit more like Agassi to me (less extreme but still) : very dominant stretches alternating with severe setbacks.

Funny how you ignored 2011 esp when Ralph made the final of 3/4 slams, and 4 MS and got owned by just one player in all those finals, heck he'd made the most HC finals in that single year than any other year prior, in 2010 he was losing to weak era clowns like Lubecheck, Roddick. Infact ****** did far better in Wimby 2011 than 2010 since he wasn't near elimination in the first week like he was on two consecutive occassions in 2010 against Haase and Petchzner. :lol:

 

[veroniquem]

Funny how you ignored 2011 esp when Ralph made the final of 3/4 slams, and 4 MS and got owned by just one player in all those finals, heck he'd made the most HC finals in that single year than any other year prior, in 2010 he was losing to weak era clowns like Lubecheck, Roddick. Infact ****** did far better in Wimby 2011 than 2010 since he wasn't near elimination in the first week like he was on two consecutive occassions in 2010 against Haase and Petchzner. :lol:

Nadal made a lot of finals in 2011, no doubt but he won very few of them: 3 only 2 of which in tier 1 events and all on the same surface. By Nadal's standards, 2011 was a poor season (consistent but not successful), actually his worst since he became a top player (his season with the fewest titles).

 

[MichaelNadal]

The boat has sailed long ago for Nadal in terms of GOAT discussions. The big issue for him is lack of weeks at number 1. He is so far behind Sampras and Federer at this point.

Weeks at number one is surely the next most telling stat after grand slams won in regard to assessing the achievements of a player.

On the presumption that he isnt doping I would be happy to include him in the top 5 of all time should he win a couple more slams.

Well he's pretty much going to get #1 back. It's kind of a matter of time at this point. If for some reason he doesn't get it this year, he will after the AO.

This constantly forced fed concoction of Ralph overcoming Djokovic by the ****** fans and some butthurt Pete clowns really needs to stop. Ralph takes vacations when he's low on confidence and RIPE for the picking and then comes back to rack up wins when his opponents are burntout/mugmode due to overplaying or just racking up a ton of wins on clay and avoiding HC like the plague. It's not even clear Novak's gonna make the final given that he's gonna go up against DelPotro and Murray and suppose he does get by them he will be essentially running on fumes while Ralph will be fresh as a daisy after dispatching mugs like Ferrer who shouldn't even be in the top 4.

The fact that Novak thrashed Ralph at Wimby 2011 given that grass is Novak's worst surface but both players were in full flight, is all I need to know bout his superiority over Ralph at atleast 2/3 surfaces, Ralph hasn't faced peak Novak at RG so clay is still doubtful however I'm giving the nod to Ralph due to his achievements there. However, peak for peak, Novak is clearly superior over Ralph on HC and edges him on grass.

What's really funny is how rabid haters try to spin it like 2011 is normal Djokovic and if Nadal never beats that one again it's not legit lol. Djokovic's level was ONLY that good for a 1 year period. Your whole post is backwards. It took him being sent from the fires of hell with freaking superpowers to beat a Rafa who was playing like absolute garbage on clay that year, and Rafa could have won Miami, IW, and AO 2012. 2011 was an anomaly and not the rule when it comes to Novak. Be lucky he got there.

He could beat Deja Kitchiner in the final and his chances would go up imho.

Because you're objective.

 

[borg number one]

The butthurt posse whose dreams Fed haunts every night would be on that bandwagon fosho. BTW how is Texas these days, hot as ever? :lol:

Well that's one way to put it LOL. I do think that this could transpire, but we're really putting the cart before the horse as we say in the Lone Star State. The U.S. Open hasn't even started. Texas is awesome. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. It is hot though, but tennis is fun to play when it's hot anyway.

 

[borg number one]

He'll break into my top 5 that includes Laver, Federer, Sampras, Gonzales, and then Nadal. Rafa would displace Borg. Rafa is better than Borg on clay currently, but Borg won the channel slam twice when the surfaces were considerably less homogenized and playing tennis very well arguably required players be much more skilled with a racket than today.

Small correction: Borg won three channel slams in a row from 78-80. Nadal now has two of them. He did not play the FO in 1977 but did win Wimbledon that year. All those players you mentioned should be way up there in my opinion, no doubt. There have been a lot of GREAT tennis players over time. Rosewall should be in the top 10 pretty easily in my opinion as well, and we haven't even gotten to Connors, Lendl, and McEnroe!

 

[Messarger]

2007 US Open final.

Totally misinterpreted what I meant. It's not about Nadal beating Nole in a major final. It's about beating his main rival on his best surface ( or at least a surface which favours him). Which for Fed, would be to defeat Nadal at the French.

 

[tudwell]

Assuming they both go that deep and Nadal defeats Djokovic, I think it is safe to say that all the 2011 demons will be banished for good.

If that's the case, where will Nadal rank on the GOAT's list? How many GOAT contenders (Borg, Fed, Sampras, Laver, Rosewall etc) have had to turn around a 7 match losing streak against a main rival like Nadal has done against Djokovic?

Well, not having a 7-match losing streak in the first place is more impressive than turning one around, but he'd definitely go up because he'd have another slam under his belt and more time at number one.

 

[monfed]

Well that's one way to put it LOL. I do think that this could transpire, but we're really putting the cart before the horse as we say in the Lone Star State. The U.S. Open hasn't even started. Texas is awesome. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. It is hot though, but tennis is fun to play when it's hot anyway.

I wanna see Texas. You know when I think about Texas I think of wide roads with open skies and corn fields on both sides(sometimes with a tornado in the background ). I have a fascination for tornadoes, I know that's not a nice thing to say and I'm aware the destruction a tornado causes but they are so magnificent and colossal in nature, I don't know what I'd do if I see one. Have you seen one? Is it scary? I heard the air turns green,that true?
BTW I love getting away from the biting cold of NY to a warmer location but then again extreme heat is worse for me since I'm heat intolerant. But yea Texas is a place I'd wanna visit while I'm still in the US, maybe we could have a beer together?

 

[Sid_Vicious]

I wanna see Texas. You know when I think about Texas I think of wide roads with open skies and corn fields on both sides(sometimes with a tornado in the background ). I have a fascination for tornadoes, I know that's not a nice thing to say and I'm aware the destruction a tornado causes but they are so magnificent and colossal in nature, I don't know what I'd do if I see one. Have you seen one? Is it scary? I heard the air turns green,that true?
BTW I love getting away from the biting cold of NY to a warmer location but then again extreme heat is worse for me since I'm heat intolerant. But yea Texas is a place I'd wanna visit while I'm still in the US, maybe we could have a beer together?

New York is biting cold? Right now? :shock:

 

[borg number one]

I wanna see Texas. You know when I think about Texas I think of wide roads with open skies and corn fields on both sides(sometimes with a tornado in the background ). I have a fascination for tornadoes, I know that's not a nice thing to say and I'm aware the destruction a tornado causes but they are so magnificent and colossal in nature, I don't know what I'd do if I see one. Have you seen one? Is it scary? I heard the air turns green,that true?
BTW I love getting away from the biting cold of NY to a warmer location but then again extreme heat is worse for me since I'm heat intolerant. But yea Texas is a place I'd wanna visit while I'm still in the US, maybe we could have a beer together?

Absolutely Monfed. Houston is booming. Texas is adding folks left and right actually for many reasons. I love the vibe too. It's really great down here, but I've been in the area since I was 11 after moving around like crazy as a younger kid. I like warm weather too. Here we're on Hurricane watch once in a while, but rain/flooding isn't bad out in most suburbs, that are far away from Galveston and the Gulf Coast. If you're ever in Houston or even Austin, let's do that. Enjoy the rest of your time in the U.S. Are you here for work/school? Good luck. Houston is closing in on Chicago for third place in population. Austin, also booming. Dallas/Ft. Worth, same story. San Antonio, same story. Texas is really like a small country in many ways. It's a very big economy and it's just very vast with lots of open spaces/large homes and lots, etc. Everything seems to be a bit bigger in Texas as they say. Some Texas pictures:

(Austin, Texas)

(Houston, Texas)

 

[monfed]

New York is biting cold? Right now? :shock:

Not now Sid, it's a nice time to be in NY infact till about say November? But yea in the winters it just gets unbearable at times. I remember this one time i was asleep and woke up in the middle of the night coz the heat stopped working so I slept dressed up as an eskimo. I guess we Indians aren't used to the cold here, coz I see the locals roam around in freezing temperatures in just a hoodie. :lol: BTW I've always wondered this but are you from Macedonia? Where is Malice? :twisted:

 

[monfed]

Absolutely Monfed. If you're ever in Houston or even Austin, let's do that. Enjoy the rest of your time in the U.S. Are you here for work/school? Some Texas pictures:

(Austin, Texas)

(Houston, Texas)

Thank you so much,BNO,courteous and kind as always. Lovely pics,sir, Houston looks so pretty,you're lucky to reside there. I'm here for school,doing my post grad. BTW if you come to Binghamton please let me know, my number is 607-232-6505,feel free to call anytime or leave a voicemail.

 

[borg number one]

Thank you so much,BNO,courteous and kind as always. Lovely pics,sir, Houston looks so pretty,you're lucky to reside there. I'm here for school,doing my post grad. BTW if you come to Binghamton please let me know, my number is 607-232-6505,feel free to call anytime or leave a voicemail.

You're welcome Monfed. I'll take you up on that. Feel free to email me if you ever need anything down here in Texas. Thanks for the nice words. Good luck with grad school! That is great. When you're in it, the road looks very long, but it's very worth it. You'll do great I'm sure.