maratha_warrior
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Rafa is worse than Berettini and Krgois at Wimbledon right now at this very moment . Lol
Berry's best result the last time he played is Finalist and same for Krgiois .
Recent best result for Rafa is Semi finalist .
Who do Federer fans want to win the slam race?
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Rafa is worse than Berettini and Krgois at Wimbledon right now at this very moment . Lol
Berry's best result the last time he played is Finalist and same for Krgiois .
Recent best result for Rafa is Semi finalist .
It was a clay tournament, so it was most likely a butt kicking tournament.
Service Ace
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Nadal fans calling out another player for faking injuries?? LOL Now I've seen everything.
And what a joke to give Nadal "credit" for being a *****. Then guy is already the Slam King, you don't need to demean yourself by still clinging to the injury excuses.
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spottishwood
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Good to know that the likes of Nadal_Django and TheNachoMan ended up changing their allegiance.
AO13
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There is no such thing as being lucky with your health.
Rafa24
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yup. i actually like fed but rafa is my guy and I still voted not a fed fan just to see the results
Rafa24
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lol really? lmao. thats one of the biggest jokes I've ever heard.
MichaelNadal
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Sure there is.
AO13
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So Novak is lucky because he meditates and streches for hours every day, has perfect diet for a tennis player and takes extra care for his body?
@MichaelNadal
I was not being specific. Sure, what happened to Zverev at RG, for example, is a bad luck. But that user said Novak is lucky because he doesn't have injuries.
He's not lucky, he is working for that the most of all sportsmen in the World probably.
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MichaelNadal
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There are things you can do to better your health and yes he works hard to maintain it. There is however much luck involved with things people cannot control, like autoimmune issues, as I myself have been dealing with since I was 24. Some people are just lucky to not have to deal with things others do. Same with Rafa's foot condition. Same with Venus's Sjogrens.
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Not at the Slam level (where it matters the most). Rafa has the Double Career Grand Slam, so he has his Slams more evenly distributed by surface than your Swiss idol. That's superior versatility across surfaces.
Double Career Grand Slam > Career Grand Slam.
At least 2 Slams on each surface > at least 1 Slam on each surface.
StrongRule
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And what could Nadal do otherwise? He had a big injury back in 2005, which almost led to his retirement at age 19. In order to deal with it he had to play with special spikes, which is very unhealthy in general, especially in sports. That caused lots of other health problems.
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Shhhhhhhhhhh
Rafa24
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So are Feds back injuries and now knee injuries not bad luck? Just needed to meditate like djoker? Slipping and falling in the tub messing up his knee. Wasn't bad luck?
Delpo wrist? Just not enough yoga? lmao. yes, joker is a fit athlete who does yoga that doesn't mean he isn't lucky injury wise. Was Kobe snapping his achilles because he didn't work hard enough? From what everyone says/knows he had the most insane training/work ethic possible in sport and he suffered a lot of injuries.
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Not a Federer fan per se but I’d assume Nadal.
socallefty
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I would assume they want Federer to win the Slam race. Looks unlikely though.
norcal
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Always figured Joker would win the slam race and after watching him up close practice/play at IW I was sure of it. Guy is a tennis machine, so impressive. His temper never bothered me much but his scumbaggery the past few years pushed me into the Rafa camp. I prefer someone with some character and class over an ignorant narcissist. As much as I respect Joker's game I hope Rafa comes away with most slams.
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As a long time Fedfan I have to say perhaps Rafa by just a touch. Novak deserves it as much though.
Underdog
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My guess would be ‘11 RG. Maybe ‘13.
platypus50
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Djokovic for sure
It would be hugely humiliating for fans of a ballerina like Federer to back a robot like Djokovic. In terms of style, the other two could not be more different.
This thread is pointless. No one wants to be overtaken. You just can't be forced to get behind you simply don't like.
Most Fed fans would like Nextgen to take over (my guess).
This thread is pointless. No one wants to be overtaken. You just can't be forced to get behind you simply don't like.
Most Fed fans would like Nextgen to take over (my guess).
THUNDERVOLLEY
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It will not end there. You will see more of the "Who was Djokovic's biggest threat in a final match from (fill in the date)?" type of threads, all designed to get members to post "Federer" in one way or another. The obsessed cannot lose their reason for breathing by bumping Federer to the Former Player forum, where he might not be the most talked-about subject there.
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I realize Djoker fans are inflating his numbers, but any Fed fan who truly says, Djoker, is a masochist. Nadal being slam king is the only thing preventing 40-15 from being mentioned in every other post. In fact for 6 months, 40-15 was rarely mentioned. Djoker wins Wimbledon and it's once again on the rise. Yes, let's hope Djoker finishes slam king, so we can relive that day for the rest of our lives. lol
Who was the best player in 2000 decade? The GOAT Roger Federer.
No player in history of tennis has ever dominated the sport like Roger Federer when he was at this best(2004-07)
Karma Tennis
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SLAM Race?
As in GRAND SLAM Race?
Well Laver continues to be undefeated in that race since he won his second one in 1969.
Federer ain't the GOAT. He hasn't won a single GRAND SLAM ... let alone two.
Heck, he only has a single Career Grand Slam.
Laver, Emerson, Djokovic and Nadal all have Dual Career Grand Slams.
And Federer does not lead the H2H record against the two major opponents he has faced during his career.
Can't be the GOAT as a result of all of that.
And that's just talking about the Men.
Include the Women and no one comes close to Margaret Smith-Court.
As in GRAND SLAM Race?
Well Laver continues to be undefeated in that race since he won his second one in 1969.
Federer ain't the GOAT. He hasn't won a single GRAND SLAM ... let alone two.
Heck, he only has a single Career Grand Slam.
Laver, Emerson, Djokovic and Nadal all have Dual Career Grand Slams.
And Federer does not lead the H2H record against the two major opponents he has faced during his career.
Can't be the GOAT as a result of all of that.
And that's just talking about the Men.
Include the Women and no one comes close to Margaret Smith-Court.
The is just YOUR opinion. Slam is not the be-all and end-all. Never was, never will.
I have Federer is GOAT because his overall achievements are the most impressive of all the ATG. He owns the most ATP records, peak dominance during his era was unparalleled and no player will ever likely to match his benchmark.
I also have Graf > Court. Anyone who just use 24 > 22 is simply being lazy and simpleton. There is so many tennis achievements than just slams. Like Federer, no player has ever dominated the women sport like Steffi Graf.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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beast of mallorca
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Spencer Gore
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Every ATG has his era. Federer dominated the sport in his time. Why should Federer has to dominate 2 decades? LOL...no player dominates the sport for 2 decades.
Djokovic was nothing when compare to Federer 2003-2012. Federer was way past his prime from 2013-2022.
Why should I be scare when I know their achievements? I prefer Federer because I believes he was the best and the most impressive out of the big 3
During clay season yes. Other times, other places, Federer is better.
Player's peak and prime years are at different time frame.
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To think that once folks were using money made and popularity as GOAT metrics. Scary scenes indeed.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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Even though he has less slams and less masters than djokodal? Even though he has less year end no1’s and less weeks at no1 than Djokovic? Even though he has a negative H2H against Djokodal? No double career slam and no NCYGS? …. No Olympic gold medal in singles like Nadal?
Its okay though because he’s the Basel, Dubai and Halle king. Majoring in minors
ForehandDTL
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Fed has two sets of twins so he’s the GOAT
Spencer Gore
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No one expects him to dominate the sport for two decades. But dominating for only four years in an in-between period that supplied one of the weakest fields in tennis history -and regularly losing to a much younger rival during those four years -doesn't make for tennis greatness. In actuality, if it wasn't for the fact that Federer was almost able to compete with Nadal and Djokovic, the short period of dominance that Roger had would be seen as a weird aberration- closer to an Emerson style dominance that a true ATG dominance.
Federer has many incredible achievements too. In facts, he owns the most ATP records according to Ultimate Tennis StatisticsEven though he has less slams and less masters than djokodal? Even though he has less year end no1’s and less weeks at no1 than Djokovic? Even though he has a negative H2H against Djokodal? No double career slam and no NCYGS? ….
Its okay though because he’s the Basel, Dubai and Halle king. Majoring in minors
h2h against individual....ROFL !
Annual win/loss against the playing field is the most important metric when determine who's the better tennis player. There's dynamic matchup against unique players, on different surface, at different continent. Versatility/adaptability makes you a better player. Here's the list of players with a 90+ winning percentage in a calendar year:
Highest Season Winning Percentage
1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5
5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
6. Novak Djokovic(2015) .932 82-6
7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
= Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
9. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
10. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
11. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
= Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6
13. Ivan Lendl (1989) .919 79-7
= Jimmy Connors(1975) .919 79-7
15. Jimmy Connors(1976) .918 90-8
16. Jimmy Connors(1978) .917 66-6
17. Björn Borg(1977) .916 76-7
18. Rafael Nadal (2013) .915 75-7
= Roger Federer(2017) .915 54-5
20. Ivan Lendl (1987) .914 74-7
Complete nonsense.
In a span of 10 years, Federer won a total of 17 slams!
, long with breaking/setting so many tennis records(e.g. 10 consecutive slam finals, 237 consecutive weeks at #1).Djokovic was never as dominate Federer, certainly not Nadal
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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Your list is basically meaningless. When John McEnroe best year actually leads this you know it doesn’t mean much. Does anyone think he’s a GOAT contender? You are basically cherry picking irrelevant or less meaningful stats to try keep Federer relevant. He’s been a fantastic player but no matter how you spin it, he’s 3rd best of this era now. In the records that matter the most he comes up a bit short I’m afraid. Every year matters. We used to hear about feds great longevity but it’s djokodal who are showing much more.
The only problem for Federer is he has many more players who lead the H2H over him than who lead djokodal. Therefore, his win/loss record against the field in his career is inferior compared to them.
Basically all of Federers best years came either before djokodal were on tour of they just started out and Fed only had youngdal on clay as tough competition till 2007/2008.
MichaelNadal
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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Fed was only dominate all at once. His longevity past 2010 wasn’t that great. Whereas to nadals credit he kept winning at least a major every year to maintain his grip at top of the game and get to where he is now. After 2010 bar that 2017 resurgence Fed was largely irrelevant at the top of mens game. He couldn’t even get a least 1 major in 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018 or 2019. He had his chances but couldn’t convert. That’s cost him overall.Complete nonsense.
In a span of 10 years, Federer won a total of 17 slams!
Djokovic was never as dominate Federer, certainly not Nadal
Djokovic on the other hand had a slower start only getting 1 in 08. However, since 2011 went on a monster run to get in the conversation. I mean you keep blaming the next gen or djokodal luck for them overtaking Fed. All Fed had to do to stay top was a bit better in a couple of those years but he couldn’t do it. It’s simply on him why he’s ended up in 3rd place as well as djokodal brilliance and relentless motivation to hit the top.
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Yes. I have been saying for years that it is in Federer's best interests for his fans to avoid the topic of Emerson at all costs.
Karma Tennis
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My opinion is my opinion. Opinions are subjective.
But statistics are objective ...
The ONLY tennis record that Federer holds over any other male player is his 8 Wimbledon Singles Titles. (NB: Martina Navratilova has 9 Wimbledon Singles Titles.) He is inferior to at least one other player in every other significant tennis statistic. On that basis alone, Federer cannot be the GOAT of tennis.
Open Era tennis records – Men's singles - Wikipedia
And has been oft said, Federer's dominance occured during one of the weakest eras of the sport. His dominance quickly disappeared once Rafa appeared on the scene and was well and truly over when Djokovic arrived.
As for Margaret Smith-Court, she dominated her era much more than Graf did. Graf was also benefitted by what happened to Seles who was clearly starting to dominate her before that incident. Don't get me wrong. I think Steffi was a great player. Loved watching her play tennis. But she was no Margaret. Margaret changed the women's game. BJK, Evert and Navratilova all say that.
Look, I understand how modern fans of the sport love to simply write off the achievements of players from decades ago. But there is a reason why the sport keeps statistics. That is so those players continue to be remembered and honoured for the great contributions to this great sport.
At the end of the day, it is ridiculous to compare players from significantly different eras on most counts. But it is quite easy to identify levels of competition during each era and what players were dominant during them.
But hey, if you want to keep believing that Roger is the GOAT, that's fine by me. You will have a hard time explaining to me why he has inferior H2H against both Rafa and Novak. AND even harder time explaining how Rafa has beaten him at Wimbledon to win the Title there while Roger has not been able to beat Rafa at RG. Meanwhile Novak has beaten both of them at both venues.
Still we go round and round .... and still we come to the same realisation that Laver achieved two GRAND SLAMS. The only player to do so in the sports history.
Spencer Gore
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A superb post, using impeccable logic and informed analysis across the history of the game to support your position. Sadly, logic and informed analysis are to Federer fans what garlic and crucifixes are to vampires: they avoid them at all costs.My opinion is my opinion. Opinions are subjective.
But statistics are objective ...
The ONLY tennis record that Federer holds over any other male player is his 8 Wimbledon Singles Titles. (NB: Martina Navratilova has 9 Wimbledon Singles Titles.) He is inferior to at least one other player in every other significant tennis statistic. On that basis alone, Federer cannot be the GOAT of tennis.
Open Era tennis records – Men's singles - Wikipedia
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And has been oft said, Federer's dominance occured during one of the weakest eras of the sport. His dominance quickly disappeared once Rafa appeared on the scene and was well and truly over when Djokovic arrived.
As for Margaret Smith-Court, she dominated her era much more than Graf did. Graf was also benefitted by what happened to Seles who was clearly starting to dominate her before that incident. Don't get me wrong. I think Steffi was a great player. Loved watching her play tennis. But she was no Margaret. Margaret changed the women's game. BJK, Evert and Navratilova all say that.
Look, I understand how modern fans of the sport love to simply write off the achievements of players from decades ago. But there is a reason why the sport keeps statistics. That is so those players continue to be remembered and honoured for the great contributions to this great sport.
At the end of the day, it is ridiculous to compare players from significantly different eras on most counts. But it is quite easy to identify levels of competition during each era and what players were dominant during them.
But hey, if you want to keep believing that Roger is the GOAT, that's fine by me. You will have a hard time explaining to me why he has inferior H2H against both Rafa and Novak. AND even harder time explaining how Rafa has beaten him at Wimbledon to win the Title there while Roger has not been able to beat Rafa at RG. Meanwhile Novak has beaten both of them at both venues.
Still we go round and round .... and still we come to the same realisation that Laver achieved two GRAND SLAMS. The only player to do so in the sports history.
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