Nadal v Djokovic tactical analysis

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

Had djokovic straight setted tsitsipas then Djokovic would have beat Nadal with ease.
However 4 hrs today and 3hrs v pcb is definitely a game changer and gives Nadal even in this shape in these conditions hope.
What are your keys to the match?
For me it is dead simple. If Nadal hits the DTLFH well he will win. If Djokovic hits the DTLBH well and better than Nadal hits his DTLFH he will win.
Reason Djokovic went five today was he inexplicably stopped hitting the DTLBH for an hour.
Also as weird as this sounds i think it will help Nadal to lose the first set. Reason i say this is if he does thoughts of no.20 will be far away. Win the 1st set he may get tight and let Djokovic back in then the momentum is with Novak.
Those hoping for an epic will be disappointed. The nerves will take over and this could resemble Thiem v Zverev

GabeT · Oct 9, 2020

Novak just played an extra 90 minutes and the last 30 he didn’t even have to push himself at all. Win or lose on Sunday this SF will not be the reason

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

GabeT said:
Novak just played an extra 90 minutes and the last 30 he didn’t even have to push himself at all. Win or lose on Sunday this SF will not be the reason

Hang on. In rome 2019 djokovic fans say he was tired so his loss to Nadal doesnt count. He only played 2.5 hrs the day before. He has played over 7 hrs past 4 days!!
Bound to be a factor.

Street · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Hang on. In rome 2019 djokovic fans say he was tired so his loss to Nadal doesnt count. He only played 2.5 hrs the day before. He has played over 7 hrs past 4 days!!
Bound to be a factor.

Well djokovic has a day of rest, that is a big difference imo.

GabeT · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Hang on. In rome 2019 djokovic fans say he was tired so his loss to Nadal doesnt count. He only played 2.5 hrs the day before. He has played over 7 hrs past 4 days!!
Bound to be a factor.

I didn’t say that.

and Rafa played just 45 minutes less than Novak today. are we really saying that 45 minutes makes a difference?

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

GabeT said:
I didn’t say that.

and Rafa played just 45 minutes less than Novak today. are we really saying that 45 minutes makes a difference?

Add in PCB match is what im saying. It wont be decisive but it i think stops djokovic thrashing Nadal which i thought was on the cards.

tonylg · Oct 9, 2020

Tennis matches these days are decided by unforced errors.

Whoever makes fewer, will win.

Street · Oct 9, 2020

Oh yeah, didn't people say beckerserve was a troll? Wouldn't be surprised, he changes opinions faster than i change my socks.

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

Street said:
Oh yeah, didn't people say beckerserve was a troll? Wouldn't be surprised, he changes opinions faster than i change my socks.

Is a change of opinion illegal?

GabeT · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Add in PCB match is what im saying. It wont be decisive but it i think stops djokovic thrashing Nadal which i thought was on the cards.

they both have a full day to recover. I have a hard time believing that playing a couple of hours less would have made a difference If anything it may help Nole focus and it tested him in a way Nadal has yet to be tested.

USO · Oct 9, 2020

At least one hour of Nadal’s match was him doing this.

He will be fresh.

Krish872007 · Oct 9, 2020

Keys to the match?

Nadal:
Forehand. Down. The. Line.
Depth.
Serving rhythm.
The first set.

Djokovic:
Backhand. Down. The. Line.
Serving >65%.
Dropshot execution.

Street · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Is a change of opinion illegal?

Well it is a suspicious when you make multiple threads in a day with completely different opinions lol. Honestly, man, i don't care if you're a troll as long as you have fun.

StrongRule · Oct 9, 2020

Nadal is extremely vulnerable in this tournament. His match against Schwartzman was better than the previous rounds, but he still struggles a lot. The backhand doesn't work, he is being very passive at times...Actually, even his volleys are bad by his standards. In the third set he lost many points at the volley.

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

Street said:
Well it is a suspicious when you make multiple threads in a day with completely different opinions lol. Honestly, man, i don't care if you're a troll as long as you have fun.

Form of players change. So opinions change. I judge off current form not history or legend.

Street · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Form of players change. So opinions change. I judge off current form not history or legend.

Well, that settles it then.

NoleFam · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Hang on. In rome 2019 djokovic fans say he was tired so his loss to Nadal doesnt count. He only played 2.5 hrs the day before. He has played over 7 hrs past 4 days!!
Bound to be a factor.

Djokovic played a long match at night and then came out the next day around 12 or 1 to play so of course he was tired. He has a day off tomorrow. Not the same.

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

GabeT said:
they both have a full day to recover. I have a hard time believing that playing a couple of hours less would have made a difference If anything it may help Nole focus and it tested him in a way Nadal has yet to be tested.

Might help Djokovic be more aggressive and shorten the points which is the way to win. If it becomes a grind Nadal will win.

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

NoleFam said:
Djokovic played a long match at night and then came out the next day around 12 or 1 to play so of course he was tired. He has a day off tomorrow. Not the same.

Diego had 2 days off and he definitely fatigued in 2nd set today v a very average Nadal

DRII · Oct 9, 2020

Neither played well today for any length of time, so who knows!

If it were summer, then definitely Nadal! With these conditions, and Nadal's inconsistency, djokovic has a semi decent chance.

Milanez82 · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Had djokovic straight setted tsitsipas then Djokovic would have beat Nadal with ease.
However 4 hrs today and 3hrs v pcb is definitely a game changer and gives Nadal even in this shape in these conditions hope.
What are your keys to the match?
For me it is dead simple. If Nadal hits the DTLFH well he will win. If Djokovic hits the DTLBH well and better than Nadal hits his DTLFH he will win.
Reason Djokovic went five today was he inexplicably stopped hitting the DTLBH for an hour.
Also as weird as this sounds i think it will help Nadal to lose the first set. Reason i say this is if he does thoughts of no.20 will be far away. Win the 1st set he may get tight and let Djokovic back in then the momentum is with Novak.
Those hoping for an epic will be disappointed. The nerves will take over and this could resemble Thiem v Zverev

No it won't resemble thiem vs zverev
This is two guys with 36 slams that know how to perform

TennisProExpert · Oct 9, 2020

tonylg said:
Tennis matches these days are decided by unforced errors.

Whoever makes fewer, will win.

Yeah which is why a 13th RG equalling Fed’s slam record changes nothing in my view.

RF-18 · Oct 9, 2020

GabeT said:
they both have a full day to recover. I have a hard time believing that playing a couple of hours less would have made a difference If anything it may help Nole focus and it tested him in a way Nadal has yet to be tested.

Fitness will be the least of worries for Djokovic. Today he looked fresh and even towards the end of the match looked completely unfazed. Nadal won in straight sets today but played only 45 minutes less.

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

Milanez82 said:
No it won't resemble thiem vs zverev
This is two guys with 36 slams that know how to perform

The shadow of Federer looms large though

NoleFam · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Diego had 2 days off and he definitely fatigued in 2nd set today v a very average Nadal

Diego wasn't tired. He just wasn't as good today because like almost everyone else who plays Nadal on this court, the mental task of beating him is just too much and they don't believe they can.

DRII · Oct 9, 2020

Nadal and his team have obviously decided to use his hard court serve this RG. I assume because of the conditions. I wish he could go back and forth between his normal more slice action clay court serve, and his faster more top spin oriented HC serve, but I guess he can't consistently.

GabeT · Oct 9, 2020

Street said:
Oh yeah, didn't people say beckerserve was a troll? Wouldn't be surprised, he changes opinions faster than i change my socks.

How often do you change socks?

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

NoleFam said:
Diego wasn't tired. He just wasn't as good today because like almost everyone else who plays Nadal on this court, the mental task of beating him is just too much and they don't believe they can.

What did he say in his presser?

Street · Oct 9, 2020

GabeT said:
How often do you change socks?

Lol, every day.

NoleFam · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
What did he say in his presser?

Did he say he was tired? If so, I stand corrected because the man knows more about his physical state than I do but it looked more mental than physical to me, like how he just imploded in that 3rd set tiebreak after fighting back from a break down.

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

NoleFam said:
Did he say he was tired? If so, I stand corrected because the man knows more about his physical state than I do but it looked more mental than physical to me, like how he just imploded in that 3rd set tiebreak after fighting back from a break down.

Ive no idea what he said hence why i asked u in case you heard?

StrongRule · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Ive no idea what he said hence why i asked u in case you heard?

He didn't say anything about being tired. He said he played a bit too passive, while Nadal was better than in Rome.

Navdeep Srivastava · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Hang on. In rome 2019 djokovic fans say he was tired so his loss to Nadal doesnt count. He only played 2.5 hrs the day before. He has played over 7 hrs past 4 days!!
Bound to be a factor.

You never saw rome master in 2019,
Djokovic played late in Friday for 3 hours grind against Delpo, then it was a dog fight of endless rallies with Diego on Saturday with total time of 2 and a half hour and in less than 20 hours he had a final.
So in less than 48 hours before the final he played brutul 5 and half hours marathon

RF-18 · Oct 9, 2020

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1314683303719510018

RF-18 · Oct 9, 2020

"I feel fine. A day and a half will be plenty of time for me to recover. I look forward to a great match with Rafa." -Novak Djokovic #RG20

As I said, fitness least of his worries.

Zebrev · Oct 9, 2020

Neither guy is going to lose due to tiredness even if the match is 5 hours, which is quite possible.

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

RF-18 said:
"I feel fine. A day and a half will be plenty of time for me to recover. I look forward to a great match with Rafa." -Novak Djokovic #RG20
As I said, fitness least of his worries.

With respect he was hardly going to say he is shattered was he !

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Had djokovic straight setted tsitsipas then Djokovic would have beat Nadal with ease.
However 4 hrs today and 3hrs v pcb is definitely a game changer and gives Nadal even in this shape in these conditions hope.
What are your keys to the match?
For me it is dead simple. If Nadal hits the DTLFH well he will win. If Djokovic hits the DTLBH well and better than Nadal hits his DTLFH he will win.
Reason Djokovic went five today was he inexplicably stopped hitting the DTLBH for an hour.
Also as weird as this sounds i think it will help Nadal to lose the first set. Reason i say this is if he does thoughts of no.20 will be far away. Win the 1st set he may get tight and let Djokovic back in then the momentum is with Novak.
Those hoping for an epic will be disappointed. The nerves will take over and this could resemble Thiem v Zverev

That would still be gripping. Even if tennis is up and down. Especially if the match goes 5 sets with so much history on the line and pressure to handle.

PilotPete · Oct 9, 2020

One thing we know, there will be a lot of MTO abuse in this match!

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
That would still be gripping. Even if tennis is up and down. Especially if the match goes 5 sets with so much history on the line and pressure to handle.

I keep changing my mind. Thought Nadal in 4 an hour ago now think Djokovic after seeing Nadal presser.

StrongRule · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
I keep changing my mind. Thought Nadal in 4 an hour ago now think Djokovic after seeing Nadal presser.

What did he say?

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

StrongRule said:
What did he say?

Started this Tsitsipas type garbage about the need to put on a show to take people mind off covid amd there are more important things in life. That mind set equals defeat

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Oct 9, 2020

RF-18 said:
"I feel fine. A day and a half will be plenty of time for me to recover. I look forward to a great match with Rafa." -Novak Djokovic #RG20
As I said, fitness least of his worries.

Yep that’s what pleases me most. Djoko is physically fine. He had a longer match but it wasn’t that physical. He’s only had a bit longer on the court than Rafa. Novak is more battle tested but Rafa has been efficient sailing through his side. Rafa is slight favourite as this is his turf but Novak knows this is best chance ever in a RG final to beat Nadal. Conditions suit him more and mentally he will believe.

I believe Novak is keeping all his energy for Rafa, plus he hoped he did enough to win in 3 today but mental lapses cost him coupled with Tsitsipas raising his game to high level. Novak let his mind wonder a but came through strong in set 5. It’s very tough to call as the stakes are high and lots of pressure for both to handle. It’s popcorn time. I want Djokovic to win obviously but I respect Rafa a lot too and this is my favourite rivalry. Hopefully they deliver another classic even out of their primes. May the best man win.

StrongRule · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Started this Tsitsipas type garbage about the need to put on a show to take people mind off covid amd there are more important things in life. That mind set equals defeat

This is a typical Nadal interview then. And I like his style.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Oct 9, 2020

Beckerserve said:
I keep changing my mind. Thought Nadal in 4 an hour ago now think Djokovic after seeing Nadal presser.

I’m not sure either. It’s tough to call. I think Rafa is the slight favourite but it could go either way. It will come to the big points near end of sets and who is mentally tougher on them. I think physically both will be raring to go.

bjsnider · Oct 9, 2020

For Djokovic it's all mental. The last time he lost at RG to Nadal was 2014. He made changes to the team after deciding that his losses to Murray, Nadal, and Federer in those big matches were about losing the mental war. Since then he's beat Nadal everywhere, including RG, but they haven't played at the event again until now. Unless Djokovic collapses mentally, he will win.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Oct 9, 2020

StrongRule said:
This is a typical Nadal interview then. And I like his style.

What’s your prediction for the final SR?

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

StrongRule said:
This is a typical Nadal interview then. And I like his style.

I hate it. Ill make a thread on it actually

Beckerserve · Oct 9, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I’m not sure either. It’s tough to call. I think Rafa is the slight favourite but it could go either way. It will come to the big points near end of sets and who is mentally tougher on them. I think physically both will be raring to go.

Did not like Nadal presser tbh. Ill start a thread in a min hang on.

StrongRule · Oct 9, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
What’s your prediction for the final SR?

Me collapsing.

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