NTRP of people playing challengers? Impressive vid

Ballinbob

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What would be the NTRP of these guys? The guys are good obviously, but what is the NTRP usually of people playing these events? There's alot to learn from this vid too, both these guys know how to construct points really well. If you don't know the NTRP just take your best guess and enjoy the vid. I really enjoyed this vid, so I thought i'd share. I have no idea what their level is but I'll just guess 6.0 for the hell of it. I'm probably wrong but whatever lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0WK86A_rfU&feature=related

Enjoy:)

edit-if you liked it, look under related vids and you'll find the rest of the match. This really is good stuff
 
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jasoncho92

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I thought challengers were made up of 6.0-6.5

Edit - No way these guys are 5.5 ambivalent. Kristian Pless was rated 65 in the world in 2002, Kevin Kim 63 in 2005
 
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Ballinbob

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Our bad then lol...we didn't know. I just took my best guess, I don't know much about ratings that are 5.0+. Thanks for sharing that though.

These guys are great though, and I love the way they construct points. Was impressed by their playing. This thread is for guessing their level and just learning from these guys...kinda a for fun thread. And this is before they went pro right?You dont play challengers when your 65th in the world..I think at least
 
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tennisdad65

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thats 7.0 tennis :)
kevin kim is ranked top 130 in the world. he was in the main draw of the chennai open. thats gotta be 7.0.
 
RestockingTues

RestockingTues

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I like watching lower ranked pros play more than Federer and the guys going at it. The points are longer, there's more point construction... Good stuff, thanks for posting :)
 
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iamke55

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If these guys are 5.5 or 6.0 then I must be a top 100 player. From watching the video it looks like I could easily hold my own against these guys from the baseline. They guys are 4.0 and have ugly strokes, maybe 4.5 on their best day. They would both get killed by the 4.5 and 5.0 players in my area.
 
jasoncho92

jasoncho92

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iamke55 said:
If these guys are 5.5 or 6.0 then I must be a top 100 player. From watching the video it looks like I could easily hold my own against these guys from the baseline. They guys are 4.0 and have ugly strokes, maybe 4.5 on their best day. They would both get killed by the 4.5 and 5.0 players in my area.
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I know. I, just like every other teen on these boards, was a 4.5 after one month of playing. I was probably as good as these guys after 4 months of playing. Too bad i dont have a video camera to record myself playing. Did i mention i hit winners on every single shot that is short?
 
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m27

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needless to say, extremely high level tennis.
to me, the most impressive thing is probably the service returns. consistently deep off of very fast and well-placed serves.
 
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NamRanger

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iamke55 said:
If these guys are 5.5 or 6.0 then I must be a top 100 player. From watching the video it looks like I could easily hold my own against these guys from the baseline. They guys are 4.0 and have ugly strokes, maybe 4.5 on their best day. They would both get killed by the 4.5 and 5.0 players in my area.
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I truly hope you are being sarcastic.
 
phoenicks

phoenicks

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the spin and the pace is very scary, and they guy in red shirt is constantly attacking close to the line in the 1st service game o 1st video, and the guy returns everything back with great defense, I doubt any1 less than ATP pro can do anything like that.
 
goober

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I guess the OP doesn't follow pro tennis much:wink: If you are in the main draw of a Challenger you are 7.0 with very few exceptions. In futures you could be 6.0-6.5, but they still have a lot of 7.0s.

A better set up would have obscure players in the 400 rank range on vid. Of course this has been done already with the expected results. :)
 
drakulie

drakulie

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According to TW reviewers>> this is a perfect example of 3.5 tennis. Thsi should be a sticky thread so other posters will know what 3.5 tennis looks like. :)
 
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raiden031

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You cannot put NTRP and Challengers in the same sentence.

Anyone in the top 400 in the world is a 7.0. Last I heard, guys in the top 100-200 play some challengers.
 
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Chauvalito

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kelz said:
Kevin Kim plays on the ATP tour... 7.0
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tennisdad65 said:
thats 7.0 tennis :)
kevin kim is ranked top 130 in the world. he was in the main draw of the chennai open. thats gotta be 7.0.
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Kristian Pless is a former Junior World Number 1.

Unfortunately, he has undergone 3 shoulder surgeries during his pro career, and this has severely limited his ranking...otherwise he is a top 50 player.
 
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maratsafin5

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iamke55 said:
If these guys are 5.5 or 6.0 then I must be a top 100 player. From watching the video it looks like I could easily hold my own against these guys from the baseline. They guys are 4.0 and have ugly strokes, maybe 4.5 on their best day. They would both get killed by the 4.5 and 5.0 players in my area.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH, thanks for the laugh. Funny thing is, you're being serious(or at least trying to be)
 
Ballinbob

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Hey guys sorry, I didn't know they were 7.0s let alone pros an all. I just found this vid and loved it, so I thought I'd share and have some fun guessing their level. I do follow pro tennis, but I don't know the details of the tournaments and stuff. Like I have no idea whats the difference between a challenger and a future tournament.. I also liked the camera angle of this vid, shows how hard they're hitting an all. They construct points really well, and thought it would be worth sharing.

And iamke55, I hope your joking...
 
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julian

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Kristian Pless

iamke55 said:
If these guys are 5.5 or 6.0 then I must be a top 100 player. From watching the video it looks like I could easily hold my own against these guys from the baseline. They guys are 4.0 and have ugly strokes, maybe 4.5 on their best day. They would both get killed by the 4.5 and 5.0 players in my area.
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Please read an info about one of them
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Kristian Peter Pless (born February 9, 1981 in Odense, Denmark) is a professional male tennis player from Denmark.

In 1999, he won the Australian Open for juniors (defeated Mikhail Youzhny), and reached the junior finals at Wimbledon (lost to Jürgen Melzer), and the US Open (lost to Jarkko Nieminen). He finished 1999 as the no. 1 ranked junior player in the world.

He turned professional in 1999, and on January 28, 2002, Kristian Pless reached his career-high ATP singles ranking: World No. 65. He has won tournaments at the Futures and Challenger levels, and has reached three semifinals on the ATP Tour. He suffered a serious shoulder injury in 2003, which after multiple surgery kept him out of competition for almost a year.

After returning from injury in 2004, he had dropped in the rankings to World No. 846 on May 24. Subsequently, he has gradually climbed the rankings, and after successful performances at the Challenger level in the fall of 2006, he entered the Top-100 again. In January 2007, he continued his good performances as he defeated World No. 8 David Nalbandian in three sets in the first round of Chennai Open. This was Pless' first win against a Top-10 ranked player.
 
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NamRanger

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oneguy21 said:
Yes it does. If your within 200, you don't need an ntrp rating. These guys don't even compare to us. We would be bageled VERY easily. It would be a struggle to win some points.
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Struggle to win points? Uh, it would be a struggle to win ONE point.
 
GeorgeLucas

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NamRanger said:
Struggle to win points? Uh, it would be a struggle to win ONE point.
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That's deifying top 100 professionals a bit too much. I know it's hyperbole, but with some of the comments we have on TW, you expect professional tennis players should be about 50% cyborg. The other 49% is ninja. 0.9% pirate. 0.1% normal human.


Granted, he is a very good player!!
 
jasoncho92

jasoncho92

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oneguy21 said:
Yes it does. If your within 200, you don't need an ntrp rating. These guys don't even compare to us. We would be bageled VERY easily. It would be a struggle to win some points.
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Please dont put words in my mouth, and learn to comprehend basic English. I just refuted his statement that any player on the ATP tour is a 7.0, not that these particular players are not 7.0s. Im having a hard time finding where i said that we can be compared to these players, please direct me to the post where i said that.
 
Ballinbob

Ballinbob

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Yeah I don't think we can really compare ourselves to pros lol.

Did you guys like the vid though? I don't know why people get into arguments over ratings like this. I just meant it to be something for fun where you guess their level and enjoy the vid/points. I love the first couple points where Pless is blasting the forehands and then that dropshot:)
 
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Noaler

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jasoncho92 said:
Please dont put words in my mouth, and learn to comprehend basic English. I just refuted his statement that any player on the ATP tour is a 7.0, not that these particular players are not 7.0s. Im having a hard time finding where i said that we can be compared to these players, please direct me to the post where i said that.
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He would think that since you said some were below 7.0. And thats sorta of comparing to some of us.
 
tennisfreak15347

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iamke55 said:
If these guys are 5.5 or 6.0 then I must be a top 100 player. From watching the video it looks like I could easily hold my own against these guys from the baseline. They guys are 4.0 and have ugly strokes, maybe 4.5 on their best day. They would both get killed by the 4.5 and 5.0 players in my area.
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so you're saying you're better than a player ranked 65 in the world? He even competatively played top players like James Blake, ect. I highly doubt this.
 
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NamRanger

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GeorgeLucas said:
That's deifying top 100 professionals a bit too much. I know it's hyperbole, but with some of the comments we have on TW, you expect professional tennis players should be about 50% cyborg. The other 49% is ninja. 0.9% pirate. 0.1% normal human.


Granted, he is a very good player!!
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D1 college level players struggle to take games off a top 1000 professional player. Do you seriously think amateur tennis players that are in the 3.5-4.5 area could seriously take a point off a top 100 professional player if he was actually trying? I HIGHLY doubt it.
 
tennisfreak15347

tennisfreak15347

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NamRanger said:
D1 college level players struggle to take games off a top 1000 professional player. Do you seriously think amateur tennis players that are in the 3.5-4.5 area could seriously take a point off a top 100 professional player if he was actually trying? I HIGHLY doubt it.
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actually, anyone could take ONE point off of a top 100 player. two words, net tape.
 
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LeeD

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I'd think....
Most top 400 players are at least 6.5 level.
If we consider ourselves 4.5's..... then we can go play against a 3.5 and can we consistently beat him double bagel ??
I can't.
Then you add another level of difference. I'd think, double bagel easy, and the lower player would get a few points overall, but hardly ever more than one each game.
 
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bpp

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NamRanger said:
D1 college level players struggle to take games off a top 1000 professional player. Do you seriously think amateur tennis players that are in the 3.5-4.5 area could seriously take a point off a top 100 professional player if he was actually trying? I HIGHLY doubt it.
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A lot of the better current D1 college players have had ATP rankings in the top 1000. Your statement makes no sense. In fact, a large percentage of D1 and ex D1 players make up the ranked players outside of the top 200. Most are inactive while they play college but if you search the top players, you all see quite a few had rankings in the top 1000 before entering college.
 
ZPTennis

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This forum is Obsessed with Ratings. Ratings don't really apply after the 5.x+ level. I'm not saying there aren't descriptions for 5.5 to 7.0. But they just arent talked about like 5.0 and below. Go ask any #1 seed at any mens open tournament what their rating is. They'll probably look at you funny and say they don't know.
 
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LeeD

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I'm pretty sure anyone ranked in the top 400 in the world pretty much "spanks" the ball most of the time.
Not really swung faster, but much better, cleaner, contact and drive. The whole body is behind each shot, much like a professional boxer's big punch compared to ours.
And earlier, quicker preparation for each shot, coupled with superior eye-hand coordination, and adding better fitness and practice....their ball just goes faster effortlessly compared to ours.
 
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NamRanger

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bpp said:
A lot of the better current D1 college players have had ATP rankings in the top 1000. Your statement makes no sense. In fact, a large percentage of D1 and ex D1 players make up the ranked players outside of the top 200. Most are inactive while they play college but if you search the top players, you all see quite a few had rankings in the top 1000 before entering college.
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You are taking the Cream De La Cream of D1 college players. The AVERAGE D1 college player struggles to take games off journeyman tennis players. This is simply due to the journeyman player having far more experience and probably better fitness. Yes, guys like Isner, Benjamin Becker, and Kevin Kim played college. However, they played and DOMINATED D1 tennis. These just aren't your average D1 players.


Also, D1 tennis in the U.S. is slightly inflated in skill level due to overseas players coming here to play. These are the players talented enough to play in the pros, but do not have the money to do so to support their endeavors. What's the next best thing to do? Come to the U.S. and play other good players while getting paid to do it AND get an education.


If you seriously think the average joe schmo on this forum can take even a point of a top 100 player, you are SORELY mistaken.
 
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JHBKLYN

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NamRanger said:
If you seriously think the average joe schmo on this forum can take even a point of a top 100 player, you are SORELY mistaken.
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A high-level 3.5 player with a great serve can take at least one point off a top 100 player. Just go for aces on every serve and go for winners on the pro's serve. Pros are great players but they're not god. And this can be proven. :)
 
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bpp

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NamRanger said:
You are taking the Cream De La Cream of D1 college players. The AVERAGE D1 college player struggles to take games off journeyman tennis players. This is simply due to the journeyman player having far more experience and probably better fitness. Yes, guys like Isner, Benjamin Becker, and Kevin Kim played college. However, they played and DOMINATED D1 tennis. These just aren't your average D1 players.


Also, D1 tennis in the U.S. is slightly inflated in skill level due to overseas players coming here to play. These are the players talented enough to play in the pros, but do not have the money to do so to support their endeavors. What's the next best thing to do? Come to the U.S. and play other good players while getting paid to do it AND get an education.


If you seriously think the average joe schmo on this forum can take even a point of a top 100 player, you are SORELY mistaken.
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Again you are wrong. Somdev Devvarman was last years NCAA champion and is now ranked 154 in the world. SO he is EASILY in the top 1000. He had an incredible record in college BUT all the singles players he played did not struggle winning games. He didnt lose many sets but a lot of his sets were 7-6, 6-4,6-3, etc. These were not just the creme de la creme, these were #1 singles players across the board for a lot of different schools and some were ranked outside the top 150 in college.

I am probably between a 4.5 and 5.0 and I am pretty sure I could win a point against a top 100 player. I have a hard enough serve (probably around 110-115 on a well struck ball) and would just crush them in down the T or out wide. At some point, I would either get an ace or force an error. Also, there is a decent chance I could force some unforced error at some point.
 
Tennisguy777

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I thought going to the indoor club and hitting with the ball machine for 2 - 3 hrs a day 5 days a week would make me as good as them! But after 1 month I think I got worse! I just don't have it. It takes talent, skill and great coaching to be that good!
 
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