Death Master
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welcome to the forums Wynter.
Slam winners for 2014.
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beast of mallorca
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beast of mallorca
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2014 predictions :
AO: Rafa
FO: Rafa
W: Rafa
USO: Murray ......................and everybody except Nad fans will hail Murray as the savior of Tennis for stopping the juggernaut that is Rafa in the SF of the USO thereby stopping Rafa from winning the CYGS.
Just my foolish prediction. Don't shoot me...................:lol:
AO: Rafa
FO: Rafa
W: Rafa
USO: Murray ......................and everybody except Nad fans will hail Murray as the savior of Tennis for stopping the juggernaut that is Rafa in the SF of the USO thereby stopping Rafa from winning the CYGS.
Just my foolish prediction. Don't shoot me...................:lol:
Death Master
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isner?
isner is not good enough to win Wimbledon.
isner is not good enough to win Wimbledon.
Crose
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If Hewitt wins AO I might cry. As much as I have hated him over the years, it'd be awesome to finally see him get it. Especially at this stage of his career against the likes of Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray.
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AO: Djokovic.
FO: Nadal.
W: Nadal.
UO: Murray.
I would love Federer to win one, but unless his form hits the level it was in late 2011 to mid 2012, there's no way he is going deeper than a SF.
FO: Nadal.
W: Nadal.
UO: Murray.
I would love Federer to win one, but unless his form hits the level it was in late 2011 to mid 2012, there's no way he is going deeper than a SF.
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It would either make the 2002 field look incredibly strong, or it would make the 2014 field look god-awful.
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You are bandwagoners. Bookmakers can not afford to be bandwagoners, and they predict Djokovic will win AO http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/australian-open/mens/mens-australian-open/winner
beast of mallorca
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tHey also predicted that he'll win the USO this year. So, what happened ?
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After the draw was made bookmakers predicted Nadal will win.
Death Master
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these same bookies had nole as the favorite for the u.s. open.
clay warrior is loving these odds right about now.
bring them on. he does not want to be the favorite.
he relishes these type of challenges.
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After the draw was made bookmakers predicted Nadal will win. So, their prediction was proven to be correct in regard to US Open.
helterskelter
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Australian Open: Nadal (but he, Djokovic, and Murray have roughly equal chances)
Roland Garros: Nadal (of course)
Wimbledon: Murray
US Open: Nadal
Roland Garros: Nadal (of course)
Wimbledon: Murray
US Open: Nadal
bahamasboy32
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Booksmakers are in love with Djokovic and have their head up his arse. They picked him to win the last 2 Wimbledons too, even though everyone who knows tennis knows he is a dodgy grass court player and was lucky to win even 1 Wimbledon. Who cares what they predict for him, they are almost always wrong. If anything their picking him to win the Australian is proof he wont win, just like he did 7 of the last 8 majors all which they probably picked him to win.
bahamasboy32
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That is too late. The fact is their pre event prediction was still wrong. Stop making excuses for them.
Death Master
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nole has managed to lose 4 of the 5 finals he has played at flushing meadows.
he is a risky bet at the hard court slams at the moment.
especially with the clay warrior resurgence in full flight and full bloom.
I would not bet the house on nole at the Australian open.
helterskelter
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Djokovic has been runner-up in 4 of the last 7 Slams.
Death Master
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his confidence is shaken and it will show up again if he has to deal with the clay warrior in the final at Oz.
my guess is that like many other players, he does not want to see nadal across the net in any final anywhere.
and especially in a final that is a best of 5 sets format.
my guess is that like many other players, he does not want to see nadal across the net in any final anywhere.
and especially in a final that is a best of 5 sets format.
5555
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Bookmakers are generally the most accurate forecasters when compared with statistical systems or expert predictions [reference: Boulier, B.L. and Stekler, H.O. (2003), ‘Predicting the outcomes of national football league games’, International Journal of Forecasting, 19(2), 257–270].
No, it's not. The most reasonable time to make a prediction is after the draw.
The fact is that bookmakers predicted that Nadal will win before the tournament started. So, it's a fact that their pre event prediction was correct.
Funny how things change in tennis. Once 5-2 in slam finals and suddenly it's 6-6. This year alone Djokovic lost 3 slam finals (if you count FO semi as de facto final of course)
Death Master
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welcome to the forums Graf=Goat.
MIKEPANTELAKIS
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So basically because I'm picking my favorite player to win AO, I'm a "BANDWAGONER"? Do you honestly believe what you're saying? I'm pretty sure 75-80 percent of people who pick Rafa to win in Australia are REAL FANS!
Pretty sure it's believable as well considering he just won a HARD COURT MAJOR! I'd say his chances are pretty good.
Death Master
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welcome to the forums Team 10.
Yes, but the polls opened early here, and Nadal was the clear favorite here, irregardless of the betting odds. In fact someone made a poll about Novak being the favorite with the betting before the tournament. I think once the folks realized everyone was taking their odds for Nadal to win, they switched the odds in order to level the betting.
During AO 2009 final, it was mentioned that Fed was the betting favorite.
Death Master
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everybody and their dog predicted that roger would crush nadal at the 2009 Australian open.
Patrick rafter was the only exception.
Patrick rafter was the only exception.
Dude you posted both of these gems:
First, you listed the bookmakers picking him for Wimbledon
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=464082
Next, you listed him as bookmakers favorite to win USOpen.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=474208
You posted these and both turned out to be wrong. I'm not sure you understand how bookies make odds.
Bookies had Fed to win AO 2009, didn't happen.
Rafa at FO is their only sure bet.
How often are they wrong in horse races? They screwed the pooch on the Preakness this year.
Booksmakers often dont set the person they think is most likely to win as the favorite. When it is too obvious they almost have to, but in other cases they often set the one who even their most expertised voices realize arent in a way to fool people and make money off them. I suspect that is the case for Djokovic on most of those occasions. They are probably making alot of money out of overrating him and luring many naive suckers into betting on him thinking he is really the "favorite" when he really isnt, and they are collecting the cash as a result.
Even for the French Djokovic is overrated. Nadal is the clear favorite in current betting, yet Djokovic's odds are only twice as high when in reality they should be atleast six times as high right now. Once again overrating Djokovic and overvalueing (well really under since in betting terms lower is better) him which seems to be a debilerate tactic on their part based on recent odds and results. He must be someone they have had success overrating to the general public who doesnt follow the sport as closely, but is still willing to bet on it, so why stop riding the overrated horse while you can and giving him absurdedy low odds for each event, and making money off the naive who bet on him. Fortunately for me, I am smart, and will continue betting on Nadal and occasionally Murray for events if they continue to give them such great odds (relative to their chances). Even Nadal's clear favorite odds at the French are a steal as currently are, only 55% likely to win the French, bahahaha; and meanwhile wouldnt touch Djokovic with a ten foot pole at his current odds for anything.
Even for the French Djokovic is overrated. Nadal is the clear favorite in current betting, yet Djokovic's odds are only twice as high when in reality they should be atleast six times as high right now. Once again overrating Djokovic and overvalueing (well really under since in betting terms lower is better) him which seems to be a debilerate tactic on their part based on recent odds and results. He must be someone they have had success overrating to the general public who doesnt follow the sport as closely, but is still willing to bet on it, so why stop riding the overrated horse while you can and giving him absurdedy low odds for each event, and making money off the naive who bet on him. Fortunately for me, I am smart, and will continue betting on Nadal and occasionally Murray for events if they continue to give them such great odds (relative to their chances). Even Nadal's clear favorite odds at the French are a steal as currently are, only 55% likely to win the French, bahahaha; and meanwhile wouldnt touch Djokovic with a ten foot pole at his current odds for anything.
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Death Master
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Australian open becomes the single most important slam for nadal going forward.
this is the one he has to have and the arms race will be officially on.
we know he will be ready and well prepared for RG.
this is the one he has to have and the arms race will be officially on.
we know he will be ready and well prepared for RG.
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You are getting carried away with Nadal's recent results. Getting carried away is typical behaviour of bandwagoners.
Most people are bandwagoners.
There is a reason why Djokovic won 4 AO and Nadal only 1.
They switched the odds immediately after the draw was made.
The fact is that bookmakers predicted that Nadal will win before the tournament started. So, it's a fact that their pre event prediction was correct.
Bookmakers are generally the most accurate forecasters when compared with statistical systems or expert predictions [reference: Boulier, B.L. and Stekler, H.O. (2003), ‘Predicting the outcomes of national football league games’, International Journal of Forecasting, 19(2), 257–270]
I quote a reliable source (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...ckhM-G5vYSaLiA&bvm=bv.50952593,d.ZG4&cad=rja): "It is paramount for a bookmaker to set odds at a value that realistically represent the probabilities of a match being won, drawn or lost. If the bookmaker fails to do this, it will risk huge losses."
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Backspin1183
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Seriously,
Australian Open final - Nadal def Djokovic - 7-5, 1-6, 6-2, 7-6 (4)
French Open final - Nadal def Djokovic - 6-1, 6-3, 5-7, 7-5
Wimbledon final - Murray def Federer 5-7, 6-2, 1-6, 7-6 (4), 6-1
US Open final - Djokovic def Murray 7-6 (11), 7-5, 2-6, 3-6, 6-4
Australian Open final - Nadal def Djokovic - 7-5, 1-6, 6-2, 7-6 (4)
French Open final - Nadal def Djokovic - 6-1, 6-3, 5-7, 7-5
Wimbledon final - Murray def Federer 5-7, 6-2, 1-6, 7-6 (4), 6-1
US Open final - Djokovic def Murray 7-6 (11), 7-5, 2-6, 3-6, 6-4
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fatichar
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In Nadal - Djoker encounters, the roles have reversed. Djoker has a better chance on clay, and Nadal on Hard.
And, Nadal may not be able to keep his horse running full throttle for over a year. So he can be expected to be spent after FO or Wim.
So that gives Murray a good chance at the two faster slams, while Nadal and djoker bag the first two.
And, Nadal may not be able to keep his horse running full throttle for over a year. So he can be expected to be spent after FO or Wim.
So that gives Murray a good chance at the two faster slams, while Nadal and djoker bag the first two.
librarysteg
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I agree with the poster who thinks 2014 will be the year of new blood at the slams.
AO: Gasquet carries his USO momentum into the fall and early 2014 season.
FO: Djokovic finally gets his career grand slam
Wimbledon: Janowicz shakes off his injuries, gets his mental game together, and picks up where he left off at this year's Wimbledon.
USO: Wawrinka finally pulls off an epic win against Novak.
Yes, I know I'm dreaming, but this sounds more fun to me than more of the same. All of this assumes Nadal is overplaying himself this year and won't be able to keep this level up next year.
AO: Gasquet carries his USO momentum into the fall and early 2014 season.
FO: Djokovic finally gets his career grand slam
Wimbledon: Janowicz shakes off his injuries, gets his mental game together, and picks up where he left off at this year's Wimbledon.
USO: Wawrinka finally pulls off an epic win against Novak.
Yes, I know I'm dreaming, but this sounds more fun to me than more of the same. All of this assumes Nadal is overplaying himself this year and won't be able to keep this level up next year.
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MIKEPANTELAKIS
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Because of the fact that I'm predicting him to continue his 2013 dominance over your beloved Djokovic, I'm getting carried away?
The same could be said for you, and getting carried away with Novak's recent success in Australia.
You can draw all the BS quotes you want, the fact is they picked Djokovic as the favorite for 5 of the last 6 slams and he has won only 1 of them. So their picking him to win an event means nothing, it seems a pattern, Djokovic picked as favorite again, Djokovic loses again, next.... Either they are purposely overrating him as I suggested, or they in fact losing lots of money off their mens tennis bets, and should just eliminate mens tennis from their betting options altogether. Either way the 2014 Australian Open will likely be the same result as usual, betting sites picking Overratedvic as favorite, Overratedvic loses, rinse and repeat for the next several slams.
Djokodal Fan
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If anyone thought Djokovic would win another slam, they are kidding themselves.
He has to solve Murray & Nadal Puzzle, otherwise he can forget the slams. He is still good enough to win mickey mouse tournaments here and there!
BTW I would not be surprised if Nadal won AOm FO 2014 & Wimbly to win possibly the GRAND SLAM!
He has to solve Murray & Nadal Puzzle, otherwise he can forget the slams. He is still good enough to win mickey mouse tournaments here and there!
BTW I would not be surprised if Nadal won AOm FO 2014 & Wimbly to win possibly the GRAND SLAM!
The bookies even have Djokovic as favorite to win 3 of the 4 majors next year, and almost co favorite with Nadal win the French. This despite that he is something like 4-10 vs Murray and Nadal in the last 18 months, that Nadal has reestablished himself as by far the best tennis player in the World now, that Djokovic is the poorest grass courter out of all of Nadal, Murray, and Federer, that Djokovic is 1-4 in U.S Open finals now, and that Nadal is a 8 time RG Champion and Djokovic a 0 time. That already sums up all you need to know about the merit of assuming Djokovic is likely to win something since the "bookies" pick him. Along with that they as I said picked him to win 5 of the last 6 majors and he only managed to win 1 of 6. 
Death Master
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The bookies even have Djokovic as favorite to win 3 of the 4 majors next year, and almost co favorite with Nadal win the French. This despite that he is something like 4-10 vs Murray and Nadal in the last 18 months, that Nadal has reestablished himself as by far the best tennis player in the World now, that Djokovic is the poorest grass courter out of all of Nadal, Murray, and Federer, that Djokovic is 1-4 in U.S Open finals now, and that Nadal is a 8 time RG Champion and Djokovic a 0 time. That already sums up all you need to know about the merit of assuming Djokovic is likely to win something since the "bookies" pick him. Along with that they as I said picked him to win 5 of the last 6 majors and he only managed to win 1 of 6.
I like it for a number of reasons:
1. nothing drives nadal more. he loves being the underdog.
2. bookies just put a curse on nole. he is doomed now fo sho.
5555
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Recent success in Australia? I've said "There is a reason why Djokovic won 4 AO and Nadal only 1" which means that I count Novak's AO titles during his whole career and that goes way back in 2008.
How do you explain the fact that on one hand Nadal has won more USO titles than Djokovic but on the other Novak has won far more AO titles than Rafa?
I quoted a reliable source. Who are you? Has any reliable source published your opinion on this matter?
The fact is that they picked Nadal as the favorite for this year's USO after the draw was made (the most reasonable time to make a prediction). So, it's a fact that they picked Djokovic as the favorite for 4 of the last 6.
Bookmakers are generally the most accurate forecasters when compared with statistical systems or expert predictions [reference: Boulier, B.L. and Stekler, H.O. (2003), ‘Predicting the outcomes of national football league games’, International Journal of Forecasting, 19(2), 257–270]
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You are talking about the bookies odd NOW, 4 months out of the event, so by your own logic you have no basis for declaring bookies favorite AFTER the draw has come out and the event has officially started. Either way 4 out of 6 or 5 out of 6, and he only won 1 out of 6, no matter how you look at it they flopped and people can just laugh and dismiss any of their future times slotting Djokovic as "favorite" for a slam as the bookies hardon for him hasnt amounted to anything yet.
Also if bookies odds only after the draw has come out and play has started matter than by your own admission, the bookies odds now mean nothing, and according to you are a whole 4 months from mattering, so even if clueless bookies were the gods you make them out to be it would still mean nothing.
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