Tennis_Monk
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What’s your benchmark for accuracy?.
In/Out Device
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What’s your benchmark for accuracy?.
mrmoonball
New User
Got my device today. Tested it inside the "bubble tent" with overhead artificial lights and clay courts. Brushed the lines really carefully and used a tripod instead of the included mount. It found the court and called shots but I felt it was way to random. It would call shots closest to the camera but on the other side (far away from the cameras) it didn't make calls. I also noticed it stopped calling after a while and I had to go look on the screen. Either it asked if I wanted to shut down the device or it was asking me to review a call. I would like to be able to have a setting to ignore reviewing calls for practice mode and just have it run continuously without any stopping.
Fun toy, I'm looking forward to every software update and when i can order a 2nd device to pair up with.
I'll video some hitting sessions tomorrow and upload here.
Fun toy, I'm looking forward to every software update and when i can order a 2nd device to pair up with.
I'll video some hitting sessions tomorrow and upload here.
city_player
New User
Enjoy your paranoid cult of personality.
That seems to be the consensus so far.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
What is your evidence that this is the consensus? I would call the consensus of those actually using the device better than that. Add in the ones who have never even seen one in person, and I would agree.
city_player
New User
Where is the evidence that it works?
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
There isnt. Best way for you to evaluate is get one and try it out.
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AllCourtHeathen
Guest
LOL "cult of personality" projecting much newpball or racketqueen or whichever of the two you are?
and now your opinion is consensus huh just LOL
Why don't you stop posting here and go buy one, or email gregoire directly with whatever specific technical apprehensions you have (or lack thereof since all you've been doing, with your various accounts, is attempting to lead people into doubt) so the actual maker himself can address them. But no, you won't do that will you. Because autism.
But now, since you are a waste of time and space, and an a**hole, I'm just going to flush you down the ignore list to join your other sockpuppets. Life is too short.
city_player
New User
Yup, life is too short to waste money on a product that doesn't work. Or your time trying to debug a worthless product. As it stands you are doing both. Guess you won't get this memo.
Your money is better spent on rhinoplasty and skin conditioner based on your avatar pic.
Your money is better spent on rhinoplasty and skin conditioner based on your avatar pic.
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
Humour me for a bit and advice the next steps for buyers like me in your opinion.
I tried a few tennis gadgets over the years. It's a hobby and passion. Some of the devices are collecting dust in cupboard and I'm ok with it.
pnw_hardcourt
Rookie
Some people just don't understand money this way, they think you need to be "smart" and save it at every opportunity. If you don't you're either a sucker, a moron, or a rich arrogant sob. Honestly for me, I'd sometimes rather spend MORE than I otherwise have to, because it's makes my hobbies, or my entertainment more enjoyable, and money spent fuels the economy and in this case is fueling innovation etc.
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Maximus XXIV
Rookie
No, he is just casting stones because some people spend their whole life huddled behind a keyboard while hoarding their money. Unfortunately, they one day find themselves at the end of their life with too much unspent money and almost no real experiences.
One person's waste is another's hobby. To place ones own values on the discretionary spending of other people is presumptuous and demonstrates lack of imagination and lack of tolerance.
One person's waste is another's hobby. To place ones own values on the discretionary spending of other people is presumptuous and demonstrates lack of imagination and lack of tolerance.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
I am having a hard time calibrating the court since the last update. Has anyone else seen this?
city_player
New User
You're missing the point completely. The product isn't overpriced at all. It is under-priced, by a factor of at least 2X.
You are paying very little upfront but are instead making many hours of incremental payments serving as unpaid interns and staff working out it's bugs for the owner of the company who will ultimately profit from your labor. Beta testing isn't a bad thing at all, it's just that you're usually not expected to PAY to be a beta tester. If you really wanted a product that works, just return it for a refund. The mass refunds will force the company owner to get it right. Or else.
I'll buy it if it ever pans out. It's not worth the frustration of setting up a product that doesn't work. But for those of you who were forced into this position, unwittingly buying a junk product, good luck.
I was set to buy initially but the product sold out quickly and you can't even buy it now even if you wanted to.
The great thing about this thread however, is it's entertainment value. There are a couple of paranoid posters who think any question about the product's effectiveness means there's some vast evil conspiracy of sleeper cells scheming to bring this product down.
What led to this paranoid fetishism I have no idea. It's a plastic box. That's it. Hopefully it will work some day. Carry on.
You are paying very little upfront but are instead making many hours of incremental payments serving as unpaid interns and staff working out it's bugs for the owner of the company who will ultimately profit from your labor. Beta testing isn't a bad thing at all, it's just that you're usually not expected to PAY to be a beta tester. If you really wanted a product that works, just return it for a refund. The mass refunds will force the company owner to get it right. Or else.
I'll buy it if it ever pans out. It's not worth the frustration of setting up a product that doesn't work. But for those of you who were forced into this position, unwittingly buying a junk product, good luck.
I was set to buy initially but the product sold out quickly and you can't even buy it now even if you wanted to.
The great thing about this thread however, is it's entertainment value. There are a couple of paranoid posters who think any question about the product's effectiveness means there's some vast evil conspiracy of sleeper cells scheming to bring this product down.
What led to this paranoid fetishism I have no idea. It's a plastic box. That's it. Hopefully it will work some day. Carry on.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
Ignored. Probably the only person on any forum. I am overwhelmed by your superiority.
city_player
New User
How is wasting your time with a defective unusable product in any way shape or form a "real experience" worth having?
Just return it for a refund. That way the owner will gain important real world experience, and learn a rather valuable life lesson in it's own right: don't sell defective junk or people will return it and you will lose money.
What is the value in buying things that don't work? Common sense dictates that you use products that work so you can enjoy the experience.
Perhaps you enjoy being stranded on the side of the road because you "value the experience" of driving a defective car. Or, how about imperiling the life of your family driving a car with an engine or tires that explode.
Believe it or not, buying something that works is a good idea.
city_player
New User
Why would I have a problem with this? You and other posters seem to have a problem with anyone who deigns to ask whether this product is working properly or not.
Why do people in this thread come up with bizarre paranoid conspiracy theories about people who are asking about whether or when this product will work?
The company owner makes strong claims that it is accurate and reliable. Most of the reports state unequivocally that this is not the case. Asking for updates is hardly cramping your or anyone else's style.
Why not just offer an update if the product works properly after the updates or not? These are extremely simple questions with extremely simple answers.
Instead of simple, straightforward rational communication, any one who asks is met with paranoia and anger. Entertaining, but bizarre.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I tried it indoor today. I could find the court in the second attempt with automatic while it took more than 10 times going back and forth between intense and normal before. Besides, the green lines were in tact right away.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
I wonder if it is the tripod. I have also found that you need to check the calibration because sometimes it is wrong. I got it to calibrate Sunday after about 20 tries. Not at all today.
Interesting to also note that sone people have some hesitations about it taking video and/or audio.
Interesting to also note that sone people have some hesitations about it taking video and/or audio.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I tested the stats a little bit today. It’s good to see the distribution map and percentages by blocks. It’s valuable information that I have never been able to get before. This is something racket sensors are never able to get.
The video replay is also nice. You can show a small diagram of the court and where the ball landed on each shot while you watch. A red sign comes up when the ball is out. I guess this is not available on the iOS app. I used my PC.
The video replay is also nice. You can show a small diagram of the court and where the ball landed on each shot while you watch. A red sign comes up when the ball is out. I guess this is not available on the iOS app. I used my PC.
When you unlock the second hidden screen, all modes are unlocked.
- First hack screen : Go to "Settings", then "Advanced Settings" and press 7 times on the Wi-Fi information.
- In this new screen, press 7 times on the right. Then 1 time again. You should see this screen :
Now if you go back to the mode selection, you can choose a mode and go to home screen with no dialog "Only practice single mode available in beta".
Stats are available for "Tennis serve" sessions but categorized as Practice. Then each serve (in or out) is represented by a yellow in ball. But the % of in ball is correct.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I use the net post but the L plate is a little higher because of the cushion I put in.
Do you see the court on the screen properly?
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
When you unlock the second hidden screen, all modes are unlocked.
- First hack screen : Go to "Settings", then "Advanced Settings" and press 7 times on the Wi-Fi information.
- In this new screen, press 7 times on the right. Then 1 time again. You should see this screen :
Now if you go back to the mode selection, you can choose a mode and go to home screen with no dialog "Only practice single mode available in beta".
Stats are available for "Tennis serve" sessions but categorized as Practice. Then each serve (in or out) is represented by a yellow in ball. But the % of in ball is correct.
Thanks a lot. I could do it, too. Now I can select other modes. I'll play doubles tomorrow, so I'll check how it goes with doubles match.
Like I said in my previous post,I didn't figure out how to play a single match then good luck
Some players want to know where their balls are on your court. But don't call them In/Out.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
No, of course not.
When you unlock the second hidden screen, all modes are unlocked.
- First hack screen : Go to "Settings", then "Advanced Settings" and press 7 times on the Wi-Fi information.
- In this new screen, press 7 times on the right. Then 1 time again. You should see this screen :
Now if you go back to the mode selection, you can choose a mode and go to home screen with no dialog "Only practice single mode available in beta".
Stats are available for "Tennis serve" sessions but categorized as Practice. Then each serve (in or out) is represented by a yellow in ball. But the % of in ball is correct.
I tapped only once on the right-part of Wi-Fi information to go to "Back / English / Boost Sound" screen and then tapped once on same area to go to "Back / Score / Touchscreen" screen.
Thank you. Yay, more things to toy with.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Come on, if you are going to insult other posters’ intelligence, at least use the correct “its”
“it’s” is a contraction of “it is” or “it has”
mrmoonball
New User
I tried it today again indoors but as you can see the lights are bad and the court lines are hard to see even with the eye
It worked good for side lines but not baseline shots that went deep. Also it still stops from reporting from time to time and I noticed it picked up my yellow shoes as balls
It worked good for side lines but not baseline shots that went deep. Also it still stops from reporting from time to time and I noticed it picked up my yellow shoes as balls
johnnyb
Semi-Pro
I tried it today again indoors but as you can see the lights are bad and the court lines are hard to see even with the eye
It worked good for side lines but not baseline shots that went deep. Also it still stops from reporting from time to time and I noticed it picked up my yellow shoes as balls
Nice video, thanks for sharing.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
Yes, the Sync Now option fails on me, which is why I can never view anything. It starts to upload and then just quits.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
Yes, I could see the court and I moved the tripod around and even got it pretty close to where it would be on the net post. I am going to take the machine out tomorrow morning and play with it. That will give me some time to play around with it without having other players waiting on me.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Hmm. It's so important for this device to get the court calibration right. You seem to be doing it right. What else?
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I had both beep and light off when I first recorded a session. Video replay on the device didn't show any sign of calls. I synchronized this session but nothing happened like you described above. Next time I had both beep and light on. Video replay on the device beeped but didn't lit at calls. I synchronized this session and then it was processed.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
I am trying to synch the sessions to the web from my Nexus 6P. It loaded one session but not the other 7.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
When it will be til ALL the clubs will have this device installed as part of the court equipement ?? To end all cheating in USTA leagues once and for all.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
Never at public courts. USTA is played at public courts for those of us not allowed into the private clubs.
I would think this could be a great tool for private clubs with a card reader that could send you your results.
I would think this could be a great tool for private clubs with a card reader that could send you your results.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I had an outing today. It was all sunny, no clouds, in the morning. I had hard time calibrating the court. Automatic never worked. Intense light started working after several tries. It might be good to put a sun screen or shield in front of the camera when the sun is very strong.
The doubles match mode wasn't. It keeps waiting for the serve. I couldn't get it past. I could change the service side by touching the monitor but couldn't change deuce or ad. It's obviously not mature yet.
I captured 7 sessions. The device tracked the ball fairly well in the first session. But then started spotting someone's shoe or shadow quite often, and ignoring the ball. The software should find a way to eliminate those junk spotting by the time it releases the doubles match.
I uploaded all the sessions. It's nice to watch the video replay with the stats. It only shows the parts where points are played and skips boring parts.
I'll have a singles practice session next week. That'll be interesting.
The doubles match mode wasn't. It keeps waiting for the serve. I couldn't get it past. I could change the service side by touching the monitor but couldn't change deuce or ad. It's obviously not mature yet.
I captured 7 sessions. The device tracked the ball fairly well in the first session. But then started spotting someone's shoe or shadow quite often, and ignoring the ball. The software should find a way to eliminate those junk spotting by the time it releases the doubles match.
I uploaded all the sessions. It's nice to watch the video replay with the stats. It only shows the parts where points are played and skips boring parts.
I'll have a singles practice session next week. That'll be interesting.
I had the same issue with my Nexus 5 several times. The last time, I had 5 sessions on one of my device (#2), the first one was recorded with my two devices paired, and the others with only this device (#2). This "paired" session was uploaded with success to the cloud with my other device (#1). And upload with the device #2 failed on this first session and didn't continue with the others. I'm root on my phone and figure out how to fix it. I noticed that the file of this session is 0kb. I deleted it and could upload the 4 others sessions. Directory is /data/data/tennis.inout.inout/files/sessions.
A good point. Not yet tested. I will try soon with big interest. Thanks to share.
Same behavior with simples
eelhc
Hall of Fame
Why would a cheater agree to use any device not sanctioned by the UEFA or ITF?
In other words, why would a cheater give up the ability to cheat?
For me, the in/out is a tennis stats device. The $250 is well worth the depth and height analysis.
I think had the inventor positioned it against the tennis sensors, it would have been better received.
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I agree. It’s a pretty good tennis stats device for the price. It’s also not a bad camera. In its current state, it’s not a reliable device for calling lines, but hopefully it will improve.
For me, the first 2 make it worthwhile.
MeanDorris
New User
Just had 2x these picked up from my local post depot that has been sitting there for while due to them not contacting me.
Had a £30 customs fee to pay (in UK).
Looking forward to having a play, although a little disappointed from what I have read on here regards it's lack of consitency in recognising the courts and line calling.
It seems then that people are getting better results using a tripod than net attached?
I may try to fix to a tripod, but I think I may be a little worried that a stray ball catches the camera and sends it crashing!
The light posts at my club are also between the courts in line with net so I am wondering if I can fix somehow to one of those.
Any other particular gotches when setting up or using that others have learnt the hard way?
Had a £30 customs fee to pay (in UK).
Looking forward to having a play, although a little disappointed from what I have read on here regards it's lack of consitency in recognising the courts and line calling.
It seems then that people are getting better results using a tripod than net attached?
I may try to fix to a tripod, but I think I may be a little worried that a stray ball catches the camera and sends it crashing!
The light posts at my club are also between the courts in line with net so I am wondering if I can fix somehow to one of those.
Any other particular gotches when setting up or using that others have learnt the hard way?
pnw_hardcourt
Rookie
Definitely in these early stages, because line calling is so ultimate but stats and video are more forgivable.
Imagine though, a stats device that records your matches, automatically cuts/edits the video, overlays serve & winner speed and gives you a graphical shot analysis or recap? Amazing! This device can do that too.
city_player
New User
Directly from the website.
http://www.inout.tennis/en/index.htm
99% accurate, 100% trustworthy
vs. the reality:
The device ignores the ball and tracks people's shoes and random shadows.
99% accurate, 100% trustworthy. Suuuuuure.
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
Thank you. Clearly the device doesn't come close to that claim, yet, in terms of being "trust worthy".
The inventor also indicated this is a "beta" version. Those releases are not for everyone. Some of the buyers are willing to work through during this phase and some may Not be as tolerant. If the device exits Beta and still has same issues, then it would be a false claim.
I'm into this device for stats, not line calls and I'm ok if it those stats are not 99%. I would consider this device a success if it can get 75-80% of the stats for me.
city_player
New User
To the contrary. The header for the website reads:
The $199 Ready-to-Use Line Call Device
The device is obviously not ready to use as this thread documents time and time again. As the company states, it is a LINE CALL DEVICE first and foremost. You are skirting around this issue by talking up it's other features which are intended as secondary in importance. It's like spending 9/10ths of a review on an automobile's cup holders when the engine doesn't even start. It's a strange yet obvious form of denial.
Nor does the company give any indication that the device is a "beta." That's a term I've been using as a euphemism for 'lemon.' You are confused.
therecanbeonlyone
Semi-Pro
Go away
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
So true. Besides, the video replay already has half of them. It's good to watch it with placement diagram.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
So far, a tripod seems the best solution to stabilize the device. I'm worried about the same thing about hitting the tripod. That's one the reason I stick to a net post.
Don't forget to check the green lines after lines were found. Sometimes they're tangled. If they're aligned, you're good to go.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
We're in the middle of the fun part of getting this new device. Obviously you don't see it. This is what separates ordinary people and future gurus.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
It sounds like the device is not for you.
For example, not everyone buys a car expecting it to drive on the road without problems or to even drive it period.
The Yugo was a car that fell apart almost immediately after you drove it off the dealer lot.
I’ve also seem many people with old, rusty cars just sitting in their front yard for years. There is sometimes a bunch of trash and other stuff inside it so perhaps they are being used for storage and also as a giant garden decoration ornament.
The Samsung “ISIS Edition” Galaxy Note also sometimes did not function as a phone but instead served as an inflammatory device.
