Dream draw for Rafa

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

ND-13 said:
Tell that to Novak- who has been undefeated in 15 matches.

And Rafa will not make the same mistake again that easily against McDonald and Burger King.

It is Nadal v Djokovic final as long as both stay fit.

Shaolin · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
1st round match ups are never easy. Cilic is a guy nobody wanted. Had Nadal got him id be calling it as a potential upset. Also they only just played in New York. That wont help Thiem particularly i do not feel. Quite often when players play very close apart the result is reversed. Even if surfaces are different. Thiem should win. Will not be shocked if he loses.

No one with a brain stem would predict Cilic a possible upset over Nadal at RG.

ND-13 · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
It is Nadal v Djokovic final as long as both stay fit.

I dont think they need to stay fit. At their B level they will make it to the finals.

The one thing we are guaranteed is they will have lot of reserves going into the final. We can expect a good one instead of the farce we have been seeing the last several years at RG when Nadal is involved

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

Shaolin said:
No one with a brain stem would predict Cilic a possible upset over Nadal at RG.

Remember Isner v Nadal in a 1st round?

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

ND-13 said:
I dont think they need to stay fit. At their B level they will make it to the finals.

The one thing we are guaranteed is they will have lot of reserves going into the final. We can expect a good one instead of the farce we have been seeing the last several years at RG when Nadal is involved

Shame it will be in an empty stadium which in 2 weeks it will be

Shaolin · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Remember Isner v Nadal in a 1st round?

Yeah Isner was serving out of a skyscraper and redlining the whole match and still lost. Just like Cilic would even if he played his best.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 24, 2020

Krish0608 said:
It's a very tough draw. But if Rafa reaches final with this draw, he sure as hell won't be losing this one, not to Novak, not to anybody else.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Novak is the no1 and form player and the conditions and balls used will be in his favour if he faces Rafa. Rafa is still a question mark as he doesn’t have form or many matches coming into this slam like usual.

jm1980 · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
1st round match ups are never easy. Cilic is a guy nobody wanted. Had Nadal got him id be calling it as a potential upset. Also they only just played in New York. That wont help Thiem particularly i do not feel. Quite often when players play very close apart the result is reversed. Even if surfaces are different. Thiem should win. Will not be shocked if he loses.

Not only is Cilic in bad form, but clay is his worst surface. There's no way Thiem loses to him

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

Shaolin said:
Yeah Isner was serving out of a skyscraper and redlining the whole match and still lost. Just like Cilic would even if he played his best.

This is a weaker Nadal and any version of cilic is better than Isner.

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

jm1980 said:
Not only is Cilic in bad form, but clay is his worst surface. There's no way Thiem loses to him

With these balls it is more of a possibility. Cilic likes heavy balls.

FRV3 · Sep 24, 2020

Someone in the live draw thread said Schwartzmann was in Nadal's quarter. That would've been a game changer. Or maybe not. Maybe Nadal would just whoop him this time.

jm1980 · Sep 24, 2020

FRV3 said:
Someone in the live draw thread said Schwartzmann was in Nadal's quarter. That would've been a game changer. Or maybe not. Maybe Nadal would just whoop him this time.

Schwartzman is in Thiem's quarter

FRV3 · Sep 24, 2020

jm1980 said:
Schwartzman is in Thiem's quarter

That's why I said it "would've" been a game changer if true. I got all excited when I read that.

Mike Sams · Sep 24, 2020

ND-13 said:
I agree 100%

This is a meaningless farce for the next 2 weeks. There is no way in hell there is a different final than Novak vs Rafa

Don't be so sure.

StrongRule · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
So he suddenly becomes a threat while framing Fhs and double faulting 15 times per match on clay with heavy balls? If he makes QF ill eat my hat.

Deal. If he does you are going to send us a video of you doing that.

FRV3 · Sep 24, 2020

StrongRule said:
Deal. If he does you are going to send us a video of you doing that.

E36BMWM3 · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Who would beat Nadal over 5 sets in this draw? Thiem only threat and his draw is brutal.

We also didn’t expect him to lose to Fognini a few years ago at the USO after being up 2 sets to love but he did... all I’m saying is anything can happen, especially seeing as he’s had such little match play going into it

skaj · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Well yes given how he has played all year!

All year? Which year?

skaj · Sep 24, 2020

ND-13 said:
Tell that to Novak- who has been undefeated in 15 matches.

And Rafa will not make the same mistake again that easily against McDonald and Burger King.

To Novak? Djokoloco is not only known for his fitness and consistency, but a completely different level of dedication to tennis compared to those guys.

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

E36BMWM3 said:
We also didn’t expect him to lose to Fognini a few years ago at the USO after being up 2 sets to love but he did... all I’m saying is anything can happen, especially seeing as he’s had such little match play going into it

Got a feeling Nadal may have trouble with Sinner in QF. Not saying he will lose. But will be a great match.

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

skaj said:
All year? Which year?

2020. Ok its been a year that you wont plug in to the delorean granted

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

StrongRule said:
Deal. If he does you are going to send us a video of you doing that.

Yes. Deal. Although not my USO or AO hats.

StrongRule · Sep 24, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Yes. Deal. Although not my USO or AO hats.

Anyway, what is bad about Zverev this year? AO semifinal, USO final and he played well in the first 2 sets. He mugged it up after the second set, but that was against Thiem. Nadal is not coming back if he is 2-0 behind. Hasn't made such a comeback since 2007.

Beckerserve · Sep 24, 2020

StrongRule said:
Anyway, what is bad about Zverev this year? AO semifinal, USO final and he played well in the first 2 sets. He mugged it up after the second set, but that was against Thiem. Nadal is not coming back if he is 2-0 behind. Hasn't made such a comeback since 2007.

I like Zverev. I think he a good guy and wanted him to win USO even though i like Thiem too.
I also think Zverev is 2nd best of Next Gen talent wise after Nick. The problem is Zverev is going through a sort of Djokovic 2009-2010 moment . Serve and FH are massive problems and at the moment he is not getting past big 3 or Thiem anywhere. Thiem could barely stand up in New York he was so tight yet still won. Right now Nadal on clay would destroy Zverev. In time Zverev will win Majors. Form is temprary class is permanent. Right now he has some technical issues he needs to address. He will eventually. But not by next week.

I Am Finnish · Sep 24, 2020

It would be only a dream draw if Berrettini was in his draw

ND-13 · Sep 24, 2020

skaj said:
To Novak? Djokoloco is not only known for his fitness and consistency, but a completely different level of dedication to tennis compared to those guys.

Yes, so given the abysmal talent , we need some balanced draws to make tournament interesting.

Here both the favs are going to sweep everyone on their way.

Rosstour · Sep 24, 2020

skaj said:
Nishikori 3rd round, Fognini 4th round, Zverev qf, Thiem sf. How is that a dream draw?

Knish has one leg, and one lung after Corona.

WarriorRafa · Sep 24, 2020

Hardly a dream draw. I'd say it's the toughest draw out of the top 3 seeds. Djokovic has an easy path, he's definitely making the final. Thiems draw looks tough on paper but other than Wawrinka who is hit and miss these days himself, he shouldnt have too many problems. Now Rafa has an easy first two rounds but then he'll probably get Nishikori who could cause some problems especially if the match is later in the day in not sunny conditions. Then Fognini or Isner; Fog always gets motivated against Nadal; that could end up like vs Schwartman in Rome and Isner is one of the few to take Rafa to 5 at RG. Zverev will probably lose early so Im expecting a QF against Goffin which is another tough match especially in cold conditions. Then Thiem in semis which will probably be the 2nd semifinal scheduled at 5:30pm so again not ideal conditions for Rafa and then Djokovic will be waiting in the final. Hardly any match practice for Rafa as well so Id be very surprised if Rafa makes the final even.

Djokovic vs Thiem final is my prediction with a well rested Djokovic winning his 2nd RG.

jm1980 · Sep 28, 2020

Beckerserve said:
1st round match ups are never easy. Cilic is a guy nobody wanted. Had Nadal got him id be calling it as a potential upset. Also they only just played in New York. That wont help Thiem particularly i do not feel. Quite often when players play very close apart the result is reversed. Even if surfaces are different. Thiem should win. Will not be shocked if he loses.

I told you there was no way Cilic would have come close to bothering Thiem

TennisFan3 · Sep 28, 2020

WarriorRafa said:
Djokovic vs Thiem final is my prediction with a well rested Djokovic winning his 2nd RG.

Agree 100%. That seems the most likely scenario IMO.

Feather · Sep 28, 2020

WarriorRafa said:
Hardly a dream draw. I'd say it's the toughest draw out of the top 3 seeds. Djokovic has an easy path, he's definitely making the final. Thiems draw looks tough on paper but other than Wawrinka who is hit and miss these days himself, he shouldnt have too many problems. Now Rafa has an easy first two rounds but then he'll probably get Nishikori who could cause some problems especially if the match is later in the day in not sunny conditions. Then Fognini or Isner; Fog always gets motivated against Nadal; that could end up like vs Schwartman in Rome and Isner is one of the few to take Rafa to 5 at RG. Zverev will probably lose early so Im expecting a QF against Goffin which is another tough match especially in cold conditions. Then Thiem in semis which will probably be the 2nd semifinal scheduled at 5:30pm so again not ideal conditions for Rafa and then Djokovic will be waiting in the final. Hardly any match practice for Rafa as well so Id be very surprised if Rafa makes the final even.

Djokovic vs Thiem final is my prediction with a well rested Djokovic winning his 2nd RG.

Thiem will win, if it's Djokovic in the final. Only Rafa can beat him here, that's what I feel

Beckerserve · Sep 28, 2020

jm1980 said:
I told you there was no way Cilic would have come close to bothering Thiem

Thiem was outstanding as Cilic was excellent. Problem for thiem he has a nightmare draw.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Thiem was outstanding as Cilic was excellent. Problem for thiem he has a nightmare draw.

Only threat to thiem to SF is probably wawrinka. Don’t see anyone else beating him.

weakera · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Only threat to thiem to SF is probably wawrinka. Don’t see anyone else beating him.

Diego has a chance in these conditions

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

weakera said:
Diego has a chance in these conditions

Potentially but I think thiem has better weapons and serve to get by that potential encounter.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

Beckerserve said:
It is Nadal v Djokovic final as long as both stay fit.

Thiem could win this RG! He was very impressive against cilic! Nothing is a guarantee for nadal or Djokovic

Pheasant · Sep 28, 2020

If I were a Nadal fan, I'd be extremely concerned. Cold weather, along with not being able to add his famous spin and bounce to the balls is a major bummer for Nadal. Then toss in the fact that he could have to go through Zverev, Thiem, then Djoker makes this a potential nightmare draw.

For the first time since 2005(excluding out-of form 2015-2016), I'm not giving Nadal a bigger than 50% chance of winning against the field. The draw and the conditions for playing are brutal for Nadal.

With that being said, Nadal is a god on this surface. So obviously, he can pull this off. But he's go some massive road blocks ahead.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

Nadal and thiem are the big favourites for this RG. Djoko third favourite. I just hope djoko can have a deep run.

Deleted member 770948 · Sep 28, 2020

Imagine how disastrous it would be if Djokovic lost before the Final.
The Final will be so boring if anyone else comes from that half.
Medvedev would be ok I guess, but he's a lot more consistent on hardcourt, so you can't bank on him.....even though he beat Djokovic on clay last year.
And Nadal would be robbed of getting the 10-6 h2h lead over Djokovic at slams.
We need Djokovic to make the Final, desperately.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

NADALalot said:
Imagine how disastrous it would be if Djokovic lost before the Final.
The Final will be so boring if anyone else comes from that half.

Djokovic is no lock for the final. He won’t have it easy at all.

DSH · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Djokovic is no lock for the final. He won’t have it easy at all.

His quarter side of the draw is ridiculously easy!

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

DSH said:
His quarter side of the draw is ridiculously easy!

Yeah but nothing is a guarantee. Not been to a RG final since 2016. He needs to focus round by round. Not look to far ahead. I’m pleased Novak won Rome but he will need to up his level more to achieve a good result at RG.

Djokovic2011 · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Yeah but nothing is a guarantee. Not been to a RG final since 2016. He needs to focus round by round. Not look to far ahead. I’m pleased Novak won Rome but he will need to up his level more to achieve a good result at RG.

He can play better than he did in Rome but I don't see him winning the tournament if he has to play Nadal or Thiem in the final(and he'll almost certainly end up facing one of them). Djokovic just doesn't have the firepower anymore to beat those guys in a best of 5 on clay.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic2011 said:
He can play better than he did in Rome but I don't see him winning the tournament if he has to play Nadal or Thiem in the final(and he'll almost certainly end up facing one of them). Djokovic just doesn't have the firepower anymore to best those guys in a best of 5 on clay.

Yeah true. I have a feeling thiem is winning it this year. The man is on a roll right now.

Djokovic2011 · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Yeah true. I have a feeling thiem is winning it this year. The man is on a roll right now.

Hmm, can't really see it myself. The last player outside the Big 3 to win back to back majors was Agassi over twenty years ago and with all due respect to Dominic, he ain't no Agassi.

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic2011 said:
Hmm, can't really see it myself. The last player outside the Big 3 to win back to back majors was Agassi over twenty years ago and with all due respect to Dominic, he ain't no Agassi.

True but I think if he gets to final he might. Plus I think he will prefer these conditions more than Rafa. We will see what happens. Wawrinka could be dangerous too.

Djokovic2011 · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
True but I think if he gets to final he might. Plus I think he will prefer these conditions more than Rafa. We will see what happens. Wawrinka could be dangerous too.

We shall see my friend. One thing's for certain - if he goes on to beat both Nadal and Djokovic in successive matches no one can say he doesn't deserve it!

Beckerserve · Sep 28, 2020

Djokovic2011 said:
He can play better than he did in Rome but I don't see him winning the tournament if he has to play Nadal or Thiem in the final(and he'll almost certainly end up facing one of them). Djokovic just doesn't have the firepower anymore to best those guys in a best of 5 on clay.

No he doesnt have the firepower consistently over 5 sets v a Nadal or Thiem on clay but he would absolutely thrash both at Wimbledon. He has developed a slice serve that is devastating that he uses on 2nd serves and he clearly is targeting a few more Wimbledons as wimbledon is realistic nowadays to win even around 40.
However the adjustments to his game probably wont help him at this roland Garros. But looking at the dross that is the Next Gen (thiem is not Next Gen) as long as Djokovic looks after himself this Roland Garros is a free tournament. If Nadal wins great for Nadal but Djokovic i think has many more left in him. Nadal and Djokovic could really vulture slams and Federer i would not rule out. I mean look at Medvedev Zverev tsitspas Nick!! All are worse now than 3 years ago!

Deleted member 770948 · Sep 29, 2020

Beckerserve said:
No he doesnt have the firepower consistently over 5 sets v a Nadal or Thiem on clay but he would absolutely thrash both at Wimbledon.

Djokovic beat Nadal 10-8 5th Set at 2018 Wimbledon with a closed roof

Let's face it, on grass Nadal is the opposite to Thiem.
Federer, Djokovic and Nadal are the only great grasscourt players in the world.

blablavla · Sep 29, 2020

Beckerserve said:
Nishikori is way past his best. He wont win 3 sets without reply v Nadal. Any longer than thatbhe will tire or get injured. Fogini is returning from injury and not even close to his best. Zverev will serve 15 double faults at least and on clay cannot just throw down 135 mph serves and get cheap points all the time. Rafa would work his FH over.
Have a look at Thiems draw!! Its as if Nadal and Djokovic hand picked it!!

Fognini is already out, just in case if someone still had expectations after his previous post-lockdown results

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