Yes I am aware that you are supposed to delay pronation, but I don't get the power and have a lot of problems hitting a
I suppose I could so long as I don't go to a waiters serve.
The sign of waiters tray is usually EF grip, but not always and if I did as you suggested it probably would be waiters tray. My take back and upswing are conventional, it's just that I pronate early. Looks different but it's not waiters tray
It's not open before the big L. I just pronate early instead of delaying the pronation. And like most posters here I don't have ATP technique and it's futile for me to try and acquire it. Again not waiters tray, just pronate early which is entirely possible. I also said waiters tray is usually EFH grip but not always.
well, there's the big L with butt cap pointing forward, then instantly I pronate with racquet face open (not waiters tray) and open face racquet goes to the ball and I hit it. Then I continue the pronation after I hit the ball. It's not possible to pronate or stupid to pronate before the big Ellll. As I mentioned (you must not be reading my posts) I have difficulty delaying pronation at just that nanosecond before contact. So as I mentioned this early pronation allows me to pronate without thinking about it. Not perfect but then I'll never be Roger Federer.
Hey thanks for your input. You may be on to something. As I mentioned in my numerous posts I once used an open faced serve many years ago and had more pop on my flat serve Over tried to do it correctly without success. I researched Big L and it's not what I thought it was
Yes I know Suresh's tip is to open on the upswing with butt pointing to the right (for righty). I have the butt pointing up for a minute brief moment then I open my racquet face and butt then points to the right,. Now that I know what the big L is, I have to say My serve doesn't have a big L as the racquet face is already open. Just to clarify I am not giving a TIP it's just something I wanted to share. What I am doing is not correct, but it works for me.That's an excellent slo mo on Murray, realistically I could never in my wildest dreams do that.You are not doing what the "tip" is saying. You are pronating much much later.
Tip says you should pronate immediately from the racquet drop.
From the racquet drop, Murray is not pronating his forearm early and bringing the hitting side racquet face square to the ball.
He is doing just the opposite of your "tip". His forearm is supinating and momentarily bringing the opposite side (non-hitting side) of the racquet face towards the ball.
That was not the question: The question was: What is your position when the butt cap is facing the net?
You are in Waiter's Tray, with strings facing upwards. No advantage to this. It limits your power on flat serves by compromising the correct setup to ISR+Pronation.
Is the photo on the right supposed o be wrong and the one on the left correct? What I am saying is I never get to that position. I do the early pronation on the upswing with the butt pointing forward, then racquet face points forward with butt cap pointing right on the way to hit the ball. This photo shows edge on prior to pronation. I don't do that. I've already come clean and said it's not correctly done. But I don't care if it works. I have tried edge, pronate a minute nano second before contact and I simplycan't hit a decent flat serve that way.That was not the question: The question was: What is your position when the butt cap is facing the net?
You are in Waiter's Tray, with strings facing upwards. No advantage to this. It limits your power on flat serves by compromising the correct setup to ISR+Pronation.
I agree, I was just responding to other posters. My main point really is that when I first learned to serve, I had never heard of pronation, edge on,,supination, frying pans, waiters tray. I somehow figured out the continental grip was for serves and I simply hit the ball. I could hit a decent serve with this open faced technique and now I'm going to revert back to it, that's all.
read my post I didn't say that I said butt cap is pointing to the right while the strings are facing forward towards the ball. Okay butt cap not pointing exactly to the right put to the upper right. I know I've already said my technique is not textboo, incorrect or wrong as you say. Done posting, on this.
What I've just now realized is the majority (90% or more)of posters here are 3.5 to 4.0 and yet a fellow poster is expected to hit like A world class player, no exceptions. Amusing.
I would say the majority are 2.5-3.0. Check the OP.'s video. 2.0 and giving advice. And people bite and spew their analytics. Federer wouldn't even be able to decipher this sh.t!
okay thanks.
