Compare O3 Tour vs. Wilson nCode six-one 95

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Misiti99

Guest
Wilson nCode Six-One 95
vs.
Prince O3 Tour

I see this long beautiful post about the o3...and i'd like to compare the racquet to this wilson...supposedly played with by Gaston Gaudio (altho we know of the PJ)
Anyways...I switched from the babolat due to arm trouble and am deciding between these 2
can I have some insight when comparing them? Thank you

p.s. what is known- Both are Headlight, wilson is heavier, good all court play..i believe 95 is a little weak in the spin department......
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
I find these two rackets to be very different. I'm sure I'll get some real disagreement on this, but for me, the 6.1 95 "feels" head heavy; maybe it's swingweight, balance, I don't know what (the 6.1 90 is the same only more so). As I result I find the 6.1 95 comes around just a bit slow, especially if I'm rushed on a ground stroke or getting a little tired by the 3rd set - the 6.1 95 starts to feel heavy and I start missing shots. I think the Prince probably has more spin potential and is generally more maneuverable. I also find the Prince to be extremely easy on the arm, but you must hit with a relaxed technique; muscling this light of racket seems to get bad results.

The O3 Tour "feels" much lighter (and it is by about 1 oz.) and plays as headlight as the 6.1 95 is supposed to be (about 10 pts. headlight). Because of the "holes" in the O3 Tour, and I believe the narrow beam construction in the head area, this is a super quick racket. I can retrieve and do reaction shots I couldn't dream of with the 6.1 95.

As far as overall feel, both rackets seem to benefit from the new "nano" technology (I don't know what Prince might call it). I.e., they have a solidity and smoothness which is just not to be found in any of the older rackets (my POG mid might come the closest). Also the 100 sq.in. headsize on the O3 Tour and supposed larger sweet spot, does give it an edge for just getting the darn ball back more often. Serving-wise, I would have to say the 6.1 95 puts more weight on the ball (it weighs more, and to me plays more head heavy). I plan to put some weight on the O3 Tour to give it a little more punch.

In buying the O3 Tour, being a Wilson guy, the new Wilson nTour was more of a competitor to the O3 Tour than the 6.1 95. The nTour is fairly even balanced, about same weight as the O3 Tour, but with the ncoding and the wonderful Wilson feel; although perhaps a smidge less control. That little bit of extra control was what made me decide on the O3 Tour rather than the Wilson nTour; and I may by an nTour anyway just because it feels a bit more substantial.

Since the majority of my playing has been with the PS 85, I would say the O3 Tour and the nTour come the closest to feeling like the PS 85 (which I would probably still be playing on except for the small headsize). The O3 Tour definitely feels lighter than the PS 85, has less "feel" generally, but is so quick and feels wonderful when you really hit the sweet spot. The nTour feels very similar in balance, etc. but doesn't have the weight or magical touch and control of the PS 85.

Anyhow, I like the O3 very much, but have so far only hit with it a few times and trounced one worthy opponent. We'll see as the days go by. BTW Prince is strung with Premier Softflex 16 at 60 lbs. A little soft and still too much power for my taste, but a very sweet combination.

You can't go far wrong with the 6.1 95, it's a great racket with phenomenal control, feel, power, smoothness. I'd just demo one if I were you for a week and play a couple matches. See if you still feel fresh enough in the third set to stay in the game (or come from behind!). ;)
 

SC in MA

Professional
Ripper: Thanks for your write-up. I have an n61 95 and an HTour (the model before the nTour). I like both rackets. I think they both play solidly with good power and control, but I also think they play & feel differently, which I think is mainly due to the static weight difference (even though the balance points are very different with these rackets, I don't find this to be a major factor in how they play). I think the biggest difference in the rackets is that the n61 generally absorbs more of the ball impact than the HTour. My arm definitely felt the effects of long hitting sessions with the HTour.

For strengths, I like the HTour's manuverability; I like the n61's mass.

Anyway, I've talked about my experience with the n61 and Htour mainly to lead into this question. Do you think the the 03 Tour plays like a combo of the two?

Related to that question is how does the 03 Tour hold up in long groundstroke rallies? While I thought the HTour handles heavy groundstrokes pretty well (especially for its light static weight), I think the arm cumulatively takes a lot of the ball impact, whereas with the n61, the racket absorbs most of the ball impact.

Finally, can you comment on serving with the 03 Tour and also how it volleys ?

Also, FYI. Here's the TW specs for the 03 Tour, n61 95 and the nTour.

Prince 03 Tour
Head Size:100 sq. in. / 645 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm Strung Weight: 11.6oz / 329g
Balance: 7pts Head Light
Swingweight: 327
Stiffness: 61
Beam Width: 18-20 mm Tapered Beam
Composition: High Modulus Graphite with Titanium and Tungsten
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Fast String Pattern:16 Mains / 18 Crosses

Wilson nSix-One 95
Head size: 95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm Weight: 12.2oz / 346g
Balance: 10pts Head Light
Swingweight: 330
Stiffness: 65 (0-100)
Power Level: Low Construction: 22 mm Straight Beam
Swing Speed: Fast String Pattern: 16 Mains / 18 Crosses
Composition: 10% nCoded Hyper Carbon / 75% nCoded High Modulus Graphite / 15% Kevlar

Wilson nTour 95
Head size: 95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm. Balance: Even Balance
Length: 27.25 inches / 69 cm Swingweight: 330
Weight: 10.7oz / 303g Stiffness: 61 (0-100)
Power Level: Low-Medium Construction: 22 mm Straight Beam
Swing Speed: Fast String Pattern: 16 Mains / 20 Crosses
Composition: 25% nCoded Hyper Carbon / 75% nCoded Graphite
 

deflori

Semi-Pro
I play with an Instinct at the moment,has anyone played it and can compare this with the o3?

What do you mean - is it a stick for a player with extrem western who hits with spin? The reviews i read about,seems that it must be a great racket for a "spinbaseliner"...
The difference to the head would be: more open patter,10g heavier,bit more headlight...
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
Hi SC,

I agree with you about the differences between the n6.1 and the HTour. I've never played the HTour, but I can tell you the nCode nTour version definitely absorbs more shock, although probably not as much as the n6.1 (there's no replacement for sheer mass). There's no question the n6.1 because of its heavier static weight definitely gobbles up a lot of impact. I would say if you are really playing long ground stroke games with powerful hitters, the n6.1 might be the racket. My only problem in that scenario has been getting the n6.1 around fast enough. I have quick reflexes and thus like the racket to respond as quickly as I do. In that department the nCode 6.1 just doesn't cut it. And FWIW, it's not the static weight that is slowing me down, it's the balance. I switched to the POG which is 12.4 (.2 oz. heavier) and had no problem. Same goes for the PS 85 at 12.4, comes around very quickly, just small sweetspot. Both of those rackets also absorbed a lot of impact so were very easy on the arm in heavy hitting.

"Anyway, I've talked about my experience with the n61 and Htour mainly to lead into this question. Do you think the the 03 Tour plays like a combo of the two?"

To be honest, there's not much comparison between the n61 and the O3 Tour. As you've said, the n61 is very solid, very stable, absorbs tons of shock and is very precise (again because of its weight). It handles beautifully at the net and delivers heavy serves. It's a great racket!! I'm just watching Gaudio use it at Hamburg. The O3 will feel much more like the nTour. It has a much lighter feel, very quick coming around. It is very solid feeling and absorbs a lot of shock, I'd say almost as much as the n61, but because it is a lighter racket, it will never absorb as much without some extra weight. The O3 with its 100 sq.in. head gives more options serving, wonderful slice and topspin and moves through the air very easily yet with more control than the nTour. The n61 gives more weight and slightly better control and placement, but feels heavier in the air. With the n61 you have to set up the swing properly and then let the racket go where it wants to go, it's not a racket you push around! (Same was true of the Tour 90 and the n6.1 Tour 90 - wonderful rackets, but rather unmaneuverable. Federer's "n6.1 Tour 90" is completely different from the production one.)

"Related to that question is how does the 03 Tour hold up in long groundstroke rallies?"

I've only played one match with the O3 Tour, but found it very comfortable on the arm and only felt very slight vibrations when mishitting heavy ground strokes. Anytime I was hitting in the sweetspot, the frame was solid as a rock although necessarily not has deadened as with the n61.

"Finally, can you comment on serving with the 03 Tour and also how it volleys ?"

I got generally more serves in, was knocking the racket out of my opponents hand and also had plenty of spin and placement on second serves - I love the way this racket serves. However, it does not serve as heavy a ball as the n61. I plan to add about 3 grams of weight to the O3 to add that extra weight to the ball. Volleys are amazing because of the light weight of the racket and the phenomenal quickness. The O3 is more a players racket though, i.e., lower power than the tweener rackets, so you do have to put some power into volleys or they won't make it over the net on their own. Certainly the n61 is the same volleying but more so, you don't give the racket some pep at the net and the ball won't go over.

To me the O3 Tour has a "unique" quality which I think will make it a real keeper. The racket has a very silky, smooth, solid feel which inspires a lot of confidence taking balls out of the air, doing overheads and chancy returns of serve. I'm sure it can be used to crush the ball hitting as hard as possible, but I found that a more fluid, relaxed approach and using a more biomechanical body motion created a flow between the arm and racket which created plenty of power with lots of variety. Little woo-woo there maybe, but that's the difference I've noticed going from the "heavier" player's rackets to the lighter one's like the O3 and nTour; the ligher ones seem to play better as part of the whole motion rather than pushing a "log" around on the heavier rackets. FWIW.

Anyhow, lengthy reply, but I hope helpful. I've played on most of the Wilson "player's" rackets and love them. I picked the O3 Tour because it combined solidity with quickness and is a very forgiving racket. For me, the O3 (and the nTour) are as close as I've been able to find to the feel and quickness of my PS 85 which is still my favorite racket, but a rather unforgiving little son-of-gun!

Good luck! ;)
 

SC in MA

Professional
Ripper: Thanks for the detailed response. Very helpful. I'll probably be giving the 03 Tour a try.

Genie: The n61 has been very good to me. I've never arm troubles with it. (I played all last summer into the fall with it.) I did have arm troubles with the HTour however, which is why I stopped using it. I do think the HTour is an easier racket to play with than the n61 and would use it if it weren't for the arm problems.
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
Hey SC,

If you like the HTour that much, you might really want to demo the nTour. Absorbs more impact because of the ncoding and has much of the precision of the n6.1. I may buy an nTour myself just to have around if I don't feel like playing the O3.

Good luck! :)
 
I bought a nCode Six-One 95 to try it out but then my receipt went into laundry :( After about 4 hours of playing I realized if I keep it, my arm is gonna fall apart at some point (picture my hand, forearm, bones flying out in pieces during one big swing ). Anyway, if anyone has a nTour or O3 and want to trade, contact me at bbbatkpmg @ yahoo.com (remove the spaces).
 
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brazostennis

Guest
Has anyone compared the NSix-One 95 to the nTour 95? I am switching from the Hyper Pro Staff 6.1 and was wondering if I want to mix it up with an nTour 95 or go with my beloved HPS in nCode colors...
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
Hey Brazo,

I've played both the nTour 95 and the nCode 6.1 95 - I ended up buying the 6.1 95. It is a heavier racket, but that makes for a heavier serve, more solid response on return of serve and allows me to hit harder without sending the ball long. I don't agree with the "heavy racket - shoulder strain" school of thought. A head-heavy racket can cause problems, but overall racket weight itself protects your arm and wrist from the shock of mishits on hard-hit balls. The weight also adds to control. The nTour had just a bit less control in the head so felt a little unstable on the baseline. For an all-around racket though (short of the 6.1 95) I think it's a great racket. Very quick at the net, 2 pts head light (on a < 11 oz racket), which gives it some punch on the serve. I'm still contemplating buying one as a backup to the 6.1 95 in case I start to feel tired by the heavier feel of the 6.1 95. You'll really have to play both back to back. In spite of the 6.1 95's supposed 12 pts. headlight, it feels to me only about 2-3 pts headlight. I don't know why it works that way, just IMO.

Good luck! They are both great rackets (the the 6.1 95 is the most popular racket of the pro's on the ATP circuit).

Terry
 

Steve Huff

G.O.A.T.
Ripper, very nice review. I, too, finally got the chance to hit with the O3 Tour, the NCode 6.1 (16 x 18) and the NPro. The NCode 6.1 weighed 12.7 oz with an overgrip and dampener. It was very solid. Control was excellent, and i could really hit out on the ball without worry of sending the ball long. I was worried that it would be tough to handle at the net, but it wasn't. Very good touch, rock solid when returning hard hit balls. Being head light, it felt easy to swing for a racket this heavy. The NPro was much stiffer and lighter. It had an almost "Babolat" feel, yet it felt too light, especially after hitting with the 6.1. However, I think this could be a nice frame for those wanting a stiff, solid feel. I'd probably string it with a soft string at the lower end of it's tension range.
The Prince O3 Tour is a nice feeling racket too. It's lighter than the 6.1, so it's not as stable on mis hits. But, for a light racket, it has tremendous touch around the net. The demo I used had Prince Synthetic w/Duraflex in it. I think a good, soft multi would help this racket a lot. The O3 has a larger sweetspot than the NPro. I didn't get to serve with the O3 Tour, but it feels as if I could get plenty of spin on groundstrokes.
Which to get?? If you're a pretty good player and can handle the weight, you can't go wrong with the NCode 6.1. The O3 is a nice hitting racket too. With a little weight added to it, it could be an excellent racket. As for the NPro, it's ok, but it's got a small sweetspot, and isn't as easy on the arm as the other 2.
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
Thanks Steve,

Sounds like you've had about the same experience as me. Are you talking about the nCode Surge nPro? I tried that one too and liked it, but I agree with you, too stiff and too light - I could smack the heck out of the ball, but just didn't have a lot of weight (just like the Babolat). The nCode NPS 95 is a nice alternative, it's even lighter than the nTour and more headlight. I loved it but again missed the weight and control. I finally decided on the nCode 6.1 95 and got the "Team" model, i.e., the 18x20 string pattern. I love the amount of control and solid feel, and I agree, it moves very easily at the net, no complaints. FWIW, I also own a Prince O3 Tour - got crazy, demoed one and bought it! Probably shouldn't have. After playing it for about 2 weeks, I found it to be just too light and too powerful (I'm still contemplating putting the Topspin 15L's on it just to calm the racket down - and maybe weight the head). The O3 is so super maneuverable from everywhere on the court - I was getting just everything back all the time. What I missed though was the plowing through the ball factor and weight on my serves. I haven't decided whether to sell the O3 yet, we'll see.

Anyhow, I'm happy now with the 6.1 95, my only second thoughts are about the nTour 95. So hopefully the search is over for at least 6 months to a year!

Best, Terry (The Ripper!) :p
 

bamboo

Rookie
deflori said:
I play with an Instinct at the moment,has anyone played it and can compare this with the o3?

What do you mean - is it a stick for a player with extrem western who hits with spin? The reviews i read about,seems that it must be a great racket for a "spinbaseliner"...
The difference to the head would be: more open patter,10g heavier,bit more headlight...
I got an Instinct at the marked down price with the intention of using it as a doubles racquet for hot days since a month ago I replaced my POG OS with the 03 Tour, but now I am going to sell the Tour and go with the Instinct. The Instinct to me is just as comfortable, has as much control if you use a lot of spin and has the extra power on the serve and reaction shots when you can't take a cut at the ball - they go over whereas they go halfway up the net with the Tour. I would say the Instinct gives me 10mph extra on the serve. 4.0 all court eastern forehand, 2hand backhand.
 

timmyboy

Professional
Hello.

I'm also wondering the same thing. Is the only way to find out playing with it?
also, i prefer to hit volleys over groundstrokes so i prefer to play "Henman Style". which one would be more helpful to me? the n61 or the O3?
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
Both rackets are great for serve and volley. Taylor Dent plays with either the nCode 6.1 90 or 95, I'm not sure. They are also both top quality rackets, so you can't go wrong with either. The question is what kind of player you are and what is your skill level. The O3 Tour is a very easy to play racket, very quick at the net but fairly powerful. IMO it is more of a 'tweener racket for an intermediate player or older player who wants a bigger sweet spot and more power. The 6.1 95 is more demanding: smaller head, smaller sweetspot, heavier, less quick at the net, but handles and delivers heavy shots and serves and requires pretty good to excellent technique. Put simply, the Prince is a much more forgiving racket. If you are a 2.5-3.0+ then I'd say the Prince. 3.5-4.5 I'd say get the Wilson, it will pay off more in the end.
 

timmyboy

Professional
well, the thing is, i use the pro staff tour and i used my coach's Nsixone. i like them both, but i wonder, should i buy the same one as my coach or should i try the prince?

EDIT: I barely screw up with either the prostaff or the nsixone. what should i do?
EDIT 2: The one i used was the nsixone 90. not much dif, from what i hear.
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
The Prince is completely different than any of the Wilsons. It is quicker, more powerful, bigger head and definitely requires a lot of topspin to hit the ball aggressively. Of the PS Tour 90, nCode Tour 90 or the 6.1 95, the PS Tour 90 (IMO) is the lightest, quickest, easiest (of course they've quite making them, so could be a problem long-term); next comes the 6.1 95, a great S&V racket used by many, many players, and then the nCode Tour 90, which I have owned, played and love, but just find I can't get as much pop on my serves because of the balance and/or swing weight of the racket. Therefore I got the 6.1 95. If you've played this much on Wilson's, I would stick with them. If you really want something lighter and quicker, get the nCode nTour 95 - feels like the other Wilson's, just lighter and easier to maneuver - you'll just lose some in control and stability. But if you're S&V'ing, then the stability is not as big an issue.

Good luck!
 

timmyboy

Professional
so ur saying i should keep with wilson? andi don't have time to demo, and the guy at the store said that if i was "s'n'v"ing, the wilson is the way to go, and really, when i played the ntour and hit the ball right, it seemed like a vision coming alive. that's what i love about it. does the prince do something like that? He also said that the prince would be a better racquet for power baseliner and that the wilson would be a better servevolley racquet. do you agree with him?
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
Hi Timmyboy!

Yes, I agree with the guy at the store. The nTour is a great serve & volley racket because it has some weight (and is only 2 pts. headlight) so you can hit a pretty "heavy" serve, which you need to have to go to the net. FWIW, I played the Pro Staff 85 for about a year and a half, pretty much the same racket Pete Sampras used (and he was a pretty powerful serve & volleyer) and, getting to the point, the nTour feels and is balanced very much like the PS 85 although the nTour is not as heavy. The Prince O3 Tour is much, much more head light and more "powerful." Even though one can hit a very "fast" serve with it, and it is an easy racket to serve with, the ball doesn't have much "weight." So no matter how fast the ball is going, it is still fairly easy to block back. Sampras's serve was never the fastest, but it was a "heavy" serve (lots of spin, incredible placement), so people had a very hard time getting it back, much less with any interest. Most of the "players" I've seen on the board (myself included), have found the Prince O3 Tour to be way too powerful to be a real "players" racket. And yes, the Prince does make a good power baseliner racket because it has so much spin potential - big head, fast headspeed, very whippy racket. That's why Coria and Davydenko were using them on clay. Of course Federer (an all-courter) is using the Wilson nCode Tour 90 (or some version thereof) and Taylor Dent (a real serve and volleyer) also uses the Tour 90. But the absolute baseliners (Agassi and Chang are good examples) have always preferred light, quick, oversized head rackets for playing a topspin baseline game. Serve and volleying is about hitting a big serve and charging the net, very different game.

The nTour is a nice compromise in that it is light enough to be very quick at the net, yet solid enough to handle pretty heavy baseline hitting and create heavy serves. I just read the customer reviews here on the TW site about the nTour, and I would certainly agree with everything they said - I'll probably end up buying one myself!

Anyhow, I don't think you can go wrong with the nTour, but if you've got the bug for the Prince, maybe you'll have to get that out of your system first (although it will cost you more money).

Bon chance!
 

BHud

Hall of Fame
I'm an n6.1 95 user, but had the opportunity to hit w/ a Prince 03 Tour today.

While the 03 was fun, it certainly didn't deliver the heavy ball that the nCode does...even after I added 6 grams at both 9 & 3. I agree w/ others in that it generates a lot of topspin, but when I flattened out my shots, I tended to lose it long. The biggest difference for my game was in the return of serve and slice backhand areas. The O3 simply wasn't as stable, nor did it provide as much bite, as the n6.1.

4.5-5.0 all-court player age 45, one-handed backhand.
 

Alex

Semi-Pro
Compare the head size/shape of Wilson n6.1 95 and the Prince O3 Tour ..... How much bigger or different between the two? Does the Prince O3 Tour's head size/shape look like an oversize compre to the n6.1 95?



Thanks.
 
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