How can Nadal modify his game?

Tempest344

Professional
It seems that his bruising and hard type of game-style is taking tolls on his body
he's basically pulverized his knees from a hard year...the fact he's a big boy would put more strain on his body not like Hewitt or Chang back in the day...both were light and fast so they could run all day


any suggestions of what he can do with his game?
i would like to see him become more aggressive with his forehand...its a big weapon and he should take a few more risks with it so he doesn't have to play so many grueling rallies
he has a very defensive mindset and always fights for points....admirable traits but still factors as to why he's injured
perhaps take a break and fully recover until he is healthy?
any other ideas?
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
He should try to increase the speed of his serve. That way he an get more free points off it. His serve now is accurate, but great returners like Federer, Davydenko and Ferrer have no problem dealing with it.

He should learn to hit a flat ball. It doesnt have to be his weapon, but it must be reliable when he uses in on the hardcourts. All he hits now are heavy top spins rally balls. Especially on his backhand, he cant kill the ball even when it sits up nicely for him.

His defensive mindset is a killer. I'd like to see him stand nearer to the baseline and dictate points when he has the chance.
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
Yeah, what's already been said.

If he can add a Lendl like "one-two" on offense and meld it into his comfort zone but it's a big IF it would certainly reduce the pounding while maintaining the enormous pressure Nads puts on the opponent's serve. He needs to create a bigger impression with his serve. However even given that, it simply may not fit his on court psyche and if it doesn't (and this goes for almost every player) it can feel like one is playing someone else's game which can undo confidence and results overall. Simple fix but very, very tough to do.
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
He should stand closer to the baseline on hardcourts both on his return and during the rallies and he needs to add some mphs on his serve.In general he should be a lot more agressive and try to adapt to hardcourts not to play a claycourt game on hardcourts and rely only on his speed and mental toughness.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
His serve - he is such a powerful guy that it always surprises me how his serve does not come accross as being the killer you would expect and a few aces more would take the pressure off him so that he would earn a few points without having to run around all the time
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
His serve - he is such a powerful guy that it always surprises me how his serve does not come accross as being the killer you would expect and a few aces more would take the pressure off him so that he would earn a few points without having to run around all the time
 

Benhur

Hall of Fame
As a Nadal fan (though not a fanatic) this is what I would do if I was in his shoes. I would continue playing my game, and just eliminate 90% of the hard court tournaments from my schedule. Meaning I would show up at the US and Australian Opens, and maybe a couple more, nothing more. This would elicit enormous criticism of wimpiness and incompleteness, no doubt, but if the alternative is to cut your tennis career short by ruining your body, I would consider it the most reasonable alternative.

Nadal has the game he has, and that's the game that brought him to the top. You can't radically change the way you move without simultaneously having to change all other aspects of your game. He can actually play pretty well on hard courts, and he has shown that he can, but only at the expense of great physical damage to his body. By now it has become a clear pattern that, come hard court season, his body starts to give him problems.

On the other hand, his movement is very well suited to the natural surfaces, which can absorbe much of the pounding away from his bones, so he can play loosely. I used to think he does not know how to move well on hard surfaces. But in fact he does. What happens is he has learned he has to be much more careful how hard he treads, and he can't afford to be as loose as he is on clay and grass, hence the appearance of something awkward in his movement.

Hard courts are pretty brutal, but they are more brutal on some than on others. Since it is probably unrealistic to think they will ever be eliminated, a player should have the right to radically reduce, or even eliminate, how much he plays on them. The tour is heavily tilted toward play on hard courts. Hard-court raised American players have traditionally avoided most of the clay season, and that's considered acceptable. Why wouldn't the opposite be acceptable also? A poster here recently stated that hard courts are not a specialty surface, like grass or clay, but rather the natural surface that God gave to tennis. This preposterous view seems to be widespread.

I am not familiar enough with the details of the tour rules, but it seems to me that a player attempting to radically reduce hard court tournaments from his schedule would be severly penalized (and criticized) and have little chance of staying at the top, but maybe am wrong. On the other hand, players like Sampras never gave much of a hoot about clay, and managed to stay on top.

I am straying away from the topic, but something there seems not quite right. The bottom line is this: I enjoy watching Nadal play, especially the way he played when he burst on the scene in 2005, precisely because of his heavily physical style. Nothing like that had ever been seen. (I also enjoy watching Fed for a completely different style). But I am now observing that, in his attempt to adapt his game to hard courts without ruining his body, his signature style is being blunted, and am afraid this may in the end affect his tennis on the natural surfaces as well. Between seeing Nadal play great clay and grass court tennis for 8 or 10 more years, and seeing him ruin his body in 2 or 3 by playing on hard courts, I'd choose the former anytime.
 

FedForGOAT

Professional
the reason Nadal's serve isn't a killer is because he's naturally right-handed (that's why his bh is good). I know its unrealistic now, but would it have been possible for him to play lefty and serve with his right hand? I mean if he played that way ever since he was young.
 
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Deleted member 3771

Guest
he could develop a big serve, an eastern forehand and use a better racket, then copy what Sampras does.:)
 

psamp14

Hall of Fame
One way he could modify his game is by going to a very light, and extremely large frame.

thats one option for sure...i mean get a 125sq in frame or something from babolat and the problem could be solved right there :)

otherwise he could try to alter his training (more light-training and a little bit off the weights) and schedule....play all the clay court tournaments to build and defend points, play queens and wimbledon, but then play a fixed number of hard court tournaments

perhaps he could play only these hard court tournaments:

AO
dubai
indian wells
miami
toronto/montreal or cincy
us open
madrid
paris (withdraw if already qualified for london (World Tour Finals))
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
Nadal doesn't need to change his game. You haters don't get enough with this Nadal can't last with his game style. He is just fine.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Actually, Nadal is a very solid net player. People underestimate how good he is at net.

Unfortunately, that is not his style, so he doesn't do it as often.
 

Mad iX

Semi-Pro
He already knows about his defensive mentality. He's definitely working on being more aggressive and improving his serve.
It's all up to him being able to stay healthy.
 

emerckx53

Semi-Pro
Nadals game is perfect, and I don't think he should modify anything. :)

He is not going to change his stroke much now at his age...he just needs to go into self preservation mode pick and choose his tournaments and play less...it's called Lance Armstrong mode....I do wonder how long he can continue to put that much strain on the inside of his left arm....in slow motion it looks worse than a slider from a left handed pitcher.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Nadal's volleys are seriously underrated. He is excellent at the net despite the strangeness of seeing such a backcourt player with a granny stick venture forward.

He gets a high percentage of serves in, 98.742% of those being slices to the backhand, so I think he should come in more esp on the ad sde. Yes I said it, s&v...I know thats controvertial...
 

gdsballer

Rookie
his serve is weak because he's a natural right hander, he's picked that up in the last year or so though...net game defintely
 

Katlion

Semi-Pro
The fact that he likes looooooong matches and rallies doesn't help him either. He needs to learn how to keep points a little shorter.
 

Dilettante

Hall of Fame
Nadal's volleys are seriously underrated. He is excellent at the net despite the strangeness of seeing such a backcourt player with a granny stick venture forward.

He is a good volleyer, no just decent, he's good at it.

The problem is: as good mover as he is, sometimes he don't choose the right moment to come to the net or he does it without full confidence. His volleys are fine but his approach not always the best.

But I don't think he needs more net game. Maybe he needs get less defensive on HC and try to dictate points (maybe flattening shots?) forgetting about percentage game. But who knows, that's easy to say but hard to change. Maybe he would get worse results doing it, I don't know.
 

tzinc

Semi-Pro
Wow with all these faults and such a lousy serve I can't believe he's finishing #2 year after year LOL - he shouldn't even be in the top 10.

The best idea is the one he already had keep improving your game. And someone has to tell him to cut back on the hard court tournaments. Another thing hurting him is all the clay court tournaments being so close together - the ATP should spread them out a little more.
 

GOD_BLESS_RAFA

Semi-Pro
As a Nadal fan (though not a fanatic) this is what I would do if I was in his shoes. I would continue playing my game, and just eliminate 90% of the hard court tournaments from my schedule. Meaning I would show up at the US and Australian Opens, and maybe a couple more, nothing more. This would elicit enormous criticism of wimpiness and incompleteness, no doubt, but if the alternative is to cut your tennis career short by ruining your body, I would consider it the most reasonable alternative.

Nadal has the game he has, and that's the game that brought him to the top. You can't radically change the way you move without simultaneously having to change all other aspects of your game. He can actually play pretty well on hard courts, and he has shown that he can, but only at the expense of great physical damage to his body. By now it has become a clear pattern that, come hard court season, his body starts to give him problems.

On the other hand, his movement is very well suited to the natural surfaces, which can absorbe much of the pounding away from his bones, so he can play loosely. I used to think he does not know how to move well on hard surfaces. But in fact he does. What happens is he has learned he has to be much more careful how hard he treads, and he can't afford to be as loose as he is on clay and grass, hence the appearance of something awkward in his movement.

Hard courts are pretty brutal, but they are more brutal on some than on others. Since it is probably unrealistic to think they will ever be eliminated, a player should have the right to radically reduce, or even eliminate, how much he plays on them. The tour is heavily tilted toward play on hard courts. Hard-court raised American players have traditionally avoided most of the clay season, and that's considered acceptable. Why wouldn't the opposite be acceptable also? A poster here recently stated that hard courts are not a specialty surface, like grass or clay, but rather the natural surface that God gave to tennis. This preposterous view seems to be widespread.

I am not familiar enough with the details of the tour rules, but it seems to me that a player attempting to radically reduce hard court tournaments from his schedule would be severly penalized (and criticized) and have little chance of staying at the top, but maybe am wrong. On the other hand, players like Sampras never gave much of a hoot about clay, and managed to stay on top.

I am straying away from the topic, but something there seems not quite right. The bottom line is this: I enjoy watching Nadal play, especially the way he played when he burst on the scene in 2005, precisely because of his heavily physical style. Nothing like that had ever been seen. (I also enjoy watching Fed for a completely different style). But I am now observing that, in his attempt to adapt his game to hard courts without ruining his body, his signature style is being blunted, and am afraid this may in the end affect his tennis on the natural surfaces as well. Between seeing Nadal play great clay and grass court tennis for 8 or 10 more years, and seeing him ruin his body in 2 or 3 by playing on hard courts, I'd choose the former anytime.

Great post!!
;)
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
Maybe he should develop an offensive slice? Right now he only slices when he dont have enough time to set up for his backhand. If he had an offensive slice that stays low and bites, it'll really help the volley dimension of his game.
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
Wow with all these faults and such a lousy serve I can't believe he's finishing #2 year after year LOL - he shouldn't even be in the top 10.

The best idea is the one he already had keep improving your game. And someone has to tell him to cut back on the hard court tournaments. Another thing hurting him is all the clay court tournaments being so close together - the ATP should spread them out a little more.

Not true. If everyone think this way, Nadal would really be top 10. His faults are mainly on the hardcourt where his style is not as effective. On clay and to a certain extend grass, he's very good. No one is saying his serve is lousy. All we're saying is he could work on it to give himself more free points. Please read before you try to be a smart ass.
 
Rafa is a smart kid and I think he knows what he has to work on. The biggest worry is that his team schedules smartly to give him the best chance to stay fresh and injury-free. That is crucial to his chances for success. I sometimes wonder if he makes more of the situation on his scheduling or he is too deferent to people like his uncle who is family.
 

fgzhu88

Semi-Pro
Serve- hit it like Feliciano Lopez.
Forehand- just rip it!!! Nadal has enough spin to keep it in. That pushy clay court forehand won't work on hardcourts or grass.
Backhand- same as above. I was disappointed to see that in Shanghai, it was quite pushy. Again his backhand is one of the best and he should go for more winners.

Last of all he should come to net more. His volleying skills are not bad at all.
 

Clay lover

Legend
Serve...and offensive mentality. His fh and bh are just fine on Clay and grass courts, he just seems more used to the bounce and is able to hit those deep shots even when on the defensive. But I still recon he should play much more offensive and sometimes he just has to go for those deep shots without error scares esp. on hardcourts.
 

latinking

Professional
The popular anwser is his serve, and I agree.

His service motion seems like the problem. It always look like he is just spinning it in. With all that body he should change his motion so he can lean into his serve more. ( hope that makes sense to all )

The only problem is that its very risky makeing a change to your serve, it can cause more problems than anything else.
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
GET A NEW SERVE!!!! Im a Rafa fan, but for the way he's built, his serve is ridiculous... too much spin, and IMO its because he tosses the ball too much to the side. He's improved over the years, but he needs a bigger serve. Also, needs to work on his forehand, I mean, its pretty good, but seems to not have enought confidence with it. I just saw the Wimby final (missed it before!) and that's the best I've ever seen Nadal play! If he gets to hit his fh like that on a regular basis, theres no tournament he cant win.... He's got the game to be no. 1, just needs a little tweaking.... Can you imagine Rafa with a bigger serve and ripping forehands all over the place????? Watch out Federer.....
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
The popular anwser is his serve, and I agree.

His service motion seems like the problem. It always look like he is just spinning it in. With all that body he should change his motion so he can lean into his serve more. ( hope that makes sense to all )

The only problem is that its very risky makeing a change to your serve, it can cause more problems than anything else.

I dont think is THAT risky to change his serve, I mean, he doesnt nead a total makeover, but make some modifications, like straighter toss, flatter stroke... And Im pretty sure he'll need it in the future, when he wears down a bit... He spends too much energy defending his own serve, definilety needs to make it into more of a weapon...
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
The only thing Sampras can teach Nadal is serve, and serve and volley. Their games are too different for Sampras. I think Uncle Toni is doing a good job, but it'll be a good idea if both teacher and charge can get advice from some former greats. John McEnroe would be ideal as he's a lefty and his serve is not too bad.
 

TennezSport

Hall of Fame
Rafa's game is completely based on high percentage tennis and great defensive skills. He is trying to add more pace to his serve and ground strokes, but when he does his percentages go way down and he is very uncomfortable with that. So, he goes back to what he knows works and that is the defensive game.

Problem for Rafa, is that other players have now developed good defensive skills to go along with their offensive game. They all know Rafa's game now so this makes life very hard for Rafa; especially on HC. Add to that the injuries that he sustained trying to catch Fed this year and the recurring knee and foot problems.

Next year is going to be very difficult for Rafa as Nalby, Djoker, Ferrer and others see him as a wounded warrior and will be shooting for the #2 spot, before targeting Fed. Rafa is going to have to play a lot of tennis to defend all of the spring points he has, while Fed has everything to gain point wise. Let's hope Raf get's all the rest he can before the new year.

TennezSport :cool:
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
Well I agree with a lot you have said and this is why I think Rafa needs a new coach - for the hard court season anyway
 

Clay lover

Legend
Wow I watched your video, and I watched a couple others in 2004,2005 and even wimbledon this year, and I find that Nadal's forehand towards the end of this year e.g. US open, Madrid, Shanghai etc. was so comparatively weaker........I dunno what the reason is, it MIGHT be because of the injuries but i dunno
 

staedtler

Rookie
Nadal is a great player but he does need to improve or change the way he plays on hard courts. Obviously he doesnt really need to change anything on clay, and to an extent, on grass either. But I feel he can play much more aggressively on hard courts. Try to hit the ball flatter. If not, he could also try going to net even more to end points earlier. I feel he really has nothing to lose when playing on hard courts, so he might as well just try some new things. He is a good hardcourt player, but hes probably just a few adjustments away from being a great hardcourt player.
 

Steve132

Professional
Nadal is a great player but he does need to improve or change the way he plays on hard courts. Obviously he doesnt really need to change anything on clay, and to an extent, on grass either. But I feel he can play much more aggressively on hard courts. Try to hit the ball flatter. If not, he could also try going to net even more to end points earlier. I feel he really has nothing to lose when playing on hard courts, so he might as well just try some new things. He is a good hardcourt player, but hes probably just a few adjustments away from being a great hardcourt player.

Excellent summary.
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
The only thing Sampras can teach Nadal is serve, and serve and volley. Their games are too different for Sampras. I think Uncle Toni is doing a good job, but it'll be a good idea if both teacher and charge can get advice from some former greats. John McEnroe would be ideal as he's a lefty and his serve is not too bad.

Well.... most of the ppl here are saying he needs to work on his serve.. and I agree
 

coloskier

Legend
Actually, Nadal is a very solid net player. People underestimate how good he is at net.

Unfortunately, that is not his style, so he doesn't do it as often.

Surely you jest. Did you watch any of his Masters Final matches? His volleys were popping up in the air for easy putaways 50% of the time. Yes, he is very quick, and he gets to most passing shots, but his volley technique, especially on his backhand, is abysmal. But I did like that he started stepping in on his returns. If he could cut off the power of the big hitters like Agassi did, he would do a lot better on the faster courts.
 

Clay lover

Legend
Surely you jest. Did you watch any of his Masters Final matches? His volleys were popping up in the air for easy putaways 50% of the time. Yes, he is very quick, and he gets to most passing shots, but his volley technique, especially on his backhand, is abysmal. But I did like that he started stepping in on his returns. If he could cut off the power of the big hitters like Agassi did, he would do a lot better on the faster courts.

I would disagree. Nadal actually volleys quite well on clay. I am not sure about his "abysmal" volleys in the masters finals, i guess his entire game jus sux on hardcourt lolz.
 
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