Polyester tests and results

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
Polyester Impressions

Greetings all. I've recently tested a few full polyester set-ups and thought I would report my findings for future reference by others on the board.

I play with a Wilson Pro Staff Tour 90, yes the discontinued model. I have lead tape from roughly 4 o'clock to 2 o'clock, the Pete Sampras variety. I'm an all-court, very athletic player who loves to volley and bang from the baseline. I play with a semi-western forehand grip and a one-handed backhand, closer to Kuerten's than Federer's, in terms of grip.

The Strings- 1) Babolat Pro Hurricane 17 (BPH), 2) Gosen Polylon Comfort 17 (GPC), and 3) Luxilon TiMO 18 (LUX).

As I stated at the beginning, I use a full poly set-up. I actually don't care for most multifilaments because the few I like have minimal durability and only slightly more feel and power than the polyesters. I've read that polyesters are supposedly harsh on the elbows but I've felt nothing at all.

1) BPH 17 Strung at 65lbs- For the first 45 minutes I hated this string. It was stiff, no feel, no touch, and it made a twangy, twingy sound on impact. After an hour, however, it transformed. I don't know if it loosened up or simply notched into place but it suddenly had incredible spin, control, feel, and it makes the most delicious "CRACK" on impact. All this and the strings never moved. I was amazed. LOL. I kept looking at the strings in awe. LOL.
After two weeks of fairly regular, heavy hitting, it did lose some tension and became a little spongy and springy, still playable but not as delicious.

2) GPC 17 Strung around 60- Unfortunately I can't give this string a fair review because it was strung far too loosely for me. A friend strung it and was afraid it would be too harsh for me so he strung it lower than I requested. What I can say is that the sweet spot is very, very sweet, and it makes a beautiful sound when hit properly. Tension has remained consistent, although I haven't played with it as much because of the loose tension. I'll try it again, strung around 65 or 66.

3) LUX TiMO 17 Strung at 65- This is a very interesting string. It does not like hesitation or uncertainty in your strokes. It is supposedly a spin and control string but it only earns these titles with fast, certain strokes. Otherwise, it has a very sweet, almost juicy but solid feel to it on contact. The sweet spot is very sweet but it doesn't have the same spin, control and overall crispness of the BPH. Definitely worth a try, however. It holds tension faithfully and is rewarding if you put in the effort. It took four days before I finally understood how it likes to play. That was a first for a string.

Conclusion:

First Place- Babolat Pro Hurricane 17. It is so crisp, so spinnable, and offers so much feel, control and durability that I can't imagine natural gut being much better.

Second Place- Luxilon TiMO 18. Very solid yet buttery feel with a very delicious sweet spot but not nearly as much spin or outright control as the BPH. Very solid string for baseline grooving but not as crisp or controlled at the net as the BPH.

Third Place- Gosen Polylon Comfort. Honestly, I think this string would be a tie with the Luxilon if it had been strung at 65. The sweet spot is actually sweeter than the Luxilon's and it gives a little more feel and control. But at 60 lbs it's too unpredictable and powerful.

From what I've read most players string polyesters in the 50s range. I, however, cannot imagine playing with these strings at such a low tension.

I hope this review helps you in your quest for the perfect string. Soon, I plan to give the Polylon another try along with Pro Hurricane 18 gauge. I'll keep you posted.


Cavaleer
 

phat

Rookie
I agree with you on the Pro Hurricane 17. I have it on my Aeropro Control. It is very very bad on my first hitting for about 1.5 hour. I played again today (second time), and it was night and day. The string was starting to grab onto the ball and the bites were amazing.... still a bit on the stiff side though.
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
steve s said:
Timo and buttrey seems an odd matchup.


That's the way it felt, odd as it may seem. Perhaps the 18 gauge helped. Don't take me wrong, however, it was still very firm and solid, even heavy, but somehow smooth. Perhaps "peanut buttery" is the best way to describe it, smooth not chunky. LOL.
 

Richie Rich

Legend
steve s said:
Timo and buttrey seems an odd matchup.

was thinking the exact same thing. buttery is not what comes to mind after hitting with timo. buttery would imply soft and plush. timo is stiff and jarring.
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
Marius_Hancu said:
BPH and TiMo at 65?
you must be ready for arm problems.
just do some searches.


I've read about the arm problems but I've felt nothing at all. In fact, I like the bite and the stiffness, especially on the BPH because it's so crisp and it stays crisp. My stringer said of the BPH, "It feels like a board." I must like boards. ;)
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
Richie Rich said:
was thinking the exact same thing. buttery is not what comes to mind after hitting with timo. buttery would imply soft and plush. timo is stiff and jarring.

I didn't find it any stiffer than a 17 gauge multifilament strung at 65 and definitely not jarring. But yes, I suppose buttery conveys the wrong impression. There's a smoothness about the string, TiMO, that's unlike anything else I've felt.

Having said that I snapped both the TiMO and the Gosen Polylon Comfort yesterday, back to back. They snapped before they lost tension, whereas the Pro Hurricane lost tension and I simply cut it.
 

monologuist

Hall of Fame
Cavaleer said:
I've read about the arm problems but I've felt nothing at all. In fact, I like the bite and the stiffness, especially on the BPH because it's so crisp and it stays crisp. My stringer said of the BPH, "It feels like a board." I must like boards. ;)

you may not feel it now, and it might be helping your tennis game, but that sounds a recipe for some serious long-term joint problems...even pros like Roddick who use a string like those at that high a tension ususally cross it with natural gut to soften ther blow....but to each his own.
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
monologuist said:
you may not feel it now, and it might be helping your tennis game, but that sounds a recipe for some serious long-term joint problems...even pros like Roddick who use a string like those at that high a tension ususally cross it with natural gut to soften ther blow....but to each his own.


I appreciate the advice. I'm very body aware so if I notice anything even slightly off or uncomfortable I'll change strings.

I personally think this set-up works well will the racquet I use and thus might not work well with other types of racquets, especially more powerful, flexible sticks.

I also thought pros used the gut to give more feel to the comparatively stiff polys, not so much for shock absorption.

Although I've never used gut, I have some appreciation for why Borg and Sampras had to string theirs at such high tensions, Sampras around 75 from what I understand. I think if I play with gut I would need it strung accordingly because it has so much play and power. The polyesters don't have as much "play" as gut or some of the better multi's, so perhaps that's why I only need to string them around 65. They definitely don't need to be tighter.

I did hit briefly with a gut-poly hybrid and did not care for it at all. They were both 16 gauge so perhaps that had something to do with it. Which may be another reason I haven't experienced any arm problems, because I use 17 and 18 gauge strings. I couldn't imagine a 16 gauge polyester. That would be truly be a board.
Also, I've been training with weights for the last few years and I think my upper-body, shoulder, arm and lower back muscles can handle the stress. Most people think I play football for one of the local colleges, to give you an idea of my build. 6' 205lbs.
 

Radical Shot

Semi-Pro
My experience with the Hurricane is very similar. Takes a few hours to settle in, but when it does, it's fantastic. I too found myself looking at the string after my shots!

I did find though that I cut this string out because it definately goes dead before it snaps, unlike my experience with the Luxilon strings which tend to break before going dead.
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
smittysan89 said:
What about Signum Poly Plasma or Poly Star?


I've read a little about it here on the boards but I have no idea where to purchase it.

What have your experiences been with it?
 

Zverev

Professional
Cavaleer said:
Also, I've been training with weights for the last few years and I think my upper-body, shoulder, arm and lower back muscles can handle the stress. Most people think I play football for one of the local colleges, to give you an idea of my build. 6' 205lbs.
Tennis game applies different tests to your body, namely to your tendons and ligaments, than other sports. I myself has done all kind of sports and weight training in my life and can easily manage 3 of those Babolat/Poly 18yo kids, whether it be boxing or wrestling. But my tendons gave in when I started tennis at age 39.
They say that built up muscles protect tendons. Maybe. Not very much I think. How can muscles protect your wrist, say?
Training tendons is difficult and long process, it's good when you started early in your childhood. When your body will hear those jarring shocks to your tendons it will get the message and make them stronger.
It's easy then, when body is still growing. Have you heard that baby's meniscus are fully vascular(blood supplied)? I am sure you know how vascular are your meniscus after 40. It's still possible to train your tendons at age 30 and 40, but not easy and take long time, years.
 
Maybe one day TW.com wil sell it, but until then I would just settle with something else that tw.com has. ;)

This healped me out a lot. I am thinking about going from syn gut to poly, for more power. First I'll try lowering the tension on my current string, and I may test out the Pro Hurrican 17 G later on. I doublt I'll switch, since prince syn gut is so much cheaper, but this definately gave me a better idea with what I had to work with.

thanks!
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
lookitstrevor said:
Maybe one day TW.com wil sell it, but until then I would just settle with something else that tw.com has. ;)

This healped me out a lot. I am thinking about going from syn gut to poly, for more power. First I'll try lowering the tension on my current string, and I may test out the Pro Hurrican 17 G later on. I doublt I'll switch, since prince syn gut is so much cheaper, but this definately gave me a better idea with what I had to work with.

thanks!


The pleasure's all mine. ;) That's why I wrote such an extensive review.
 
Cavaleer said:
How reliable is ther seller? Also, how does the polyplasma play, compare to Pro Hurricane?

Very reliable, read the 100% feedback. I've heard all those strings are nicer than hurricane. I'm waiting for mine.
 

markdinh

New User
Cavaleer said:
I've read about the arm problems but I've felt nothing at all. In fact, I like the bite and the stiffness, especially on the BPH because it's so crisp and it stays crisp. My stringer said of the BPH, "It feels like a board." I must like boards. ;)

In my case, my wrist pain/troubles didn't start right away. I used polys for about two years before I noticed any pain. The pain was very subtle at first and got worse and worse. I still haven't switched off of poly yet (I tried a few times, but hated the results), but am using a hybrid at least. The pain hasn't entirely gone away but it's manageable at the moment. ...just a cautionary tale.
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
markdinh said:
In my case, my wrist pain/troubles didn't start right away. I used polys for about two years before I noticed any pain. The pain was very subtle at first and got worse and worse. I still haven't switched off of poly yet (I tried a few times, but hated the results), but am using a hybrid at least. The pain hasn't entirely gone away but it's manageable at the moment. ...just a cautionary tale.


Many thanks, Mark. I will definitely stay alert.

How and where, specifically, did the pain develop and grow? And which polys did you use and do you use now? Could you also tell us your racquet and tension?

Thanks again.
 
Cavaleer, thanks for this thread. We probably spend too much time on racquets and not enough time on strings.

Just got one of my PS Tour 90s strung with Gosen polylon comfort at 62 lbs. String is crisp, holds its tension very well, nice sweet spot, but much harder on the arm than NXT. The only downside with NXT is tension loss...it's soft and plays great, but it's in the low 50s before you know it.

I'm interested in the spin potential of this polylon string...please keep us posted, and I'll let you know what I find.
 

markdinh

New User
Cavaleer said:
Many thanks, Mark. I will definitely stay alert.

How and where, specifically, did the pain develop and grow? And which polys did you use and do you use now? Could you also tell us your racquet and tension?

Thanks again.


Oops...I haven't checked this thread in a while...

How/where: toward the back center of my wrist joint. mostly hurts on forehands and serve. no pain whatsoever on backhands

Which: I experimented with various Luxilon and settled on Big Banger Ace 18. I used this for over two years (I bought a reel at one point). After that I tried Kirschbaum (Turbo Touch, Competition, Super Spiky), Polylon, and then multis like Alpha Gut 2000. I finally settled on Signum Poly Plasma. I now use a Signum Poly Plasma (main) / Gosen OG-Sheep Micro 18 (cross) which gives me just enough comfort.

racket/tension: For synthetics, I'd string at 63. For polys, 58-ish. I string my hybrid poly mains at 58 and synthetic crosses at 62. I use a Wilson nCode Tour 90. I've heard because of the head size, 58lbs on my racket feels more like 62-3 on a Pure Drive or similar midplus.
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
Silky Sampras said:
Cavaleer, thanks for this thread. We probably spend too much time on racquets and not enough time on strings.

Just got one of my PS Tour 90s strung with Gosen polylon comfort at 62 lbs. String is crisp, holds its tension very well, nice sweet spot, but much harder on the arm than NXT. The only downside with NXT is tension loss...it's soft and plays great, but it's in the low 50s before you know it.

I'm interested in the spin potential of this polylon string...please keep us posted, and I'll let you know what I find.

Sounds good. My next update will be of Unique Big Hitter and Pro Hurricane 18. Then I should have found a source for Signum Poly Pro, and I'll pick up a set of Luxilon BB Ace, which I've heard is better than TiMO.
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
markdinh said:
Oops...I haven't checked this thread in a while...

How/where: toward the back center of my wrist joint. mostly hurts on forehands and serve. no pain whatsoever on backhands

Which: I experimented with various Luxilon and settled on Big Banger Ace 18. I used this for over two years (I bought a reel at one point). After that I tried Kirschbaum (Turbo Touch, Competition, Super Spiky), Polylon, and then multis like Alpha Gut 2000. I finally settled on Signum Poly Plasma. I now use a Signum Poly Plasma (main) / Gosen OG-Sheep Micro 18 (cross) which gives me just enough comfort.

racket/tension: For synthetics, I'd string at 63. For polys, 58-ish. I string my hybrid poly mains at 58 and synthetic crosses at 62. I use a Wilson nCode Tour 90. I've heard because of the head size, 58lbs on my racket feels more like 62-3 on a Pure Drive or similar midplus.


I'm assuming you use a one-handed BH. I'm about to try BB Ace and Signum Poly Pro. What similarities/differences have you found? 17 or 18?

Many thanks again.
 
Findings so far:

Find the Gosen Polylon comfort to be a good string; good sweet spot, crisp feel, very good tension maintenance. It is a very low powered string as it absorbs alot of energy from the ball, and it is hard on the arm for this reason. I'd get it strung a bit lower than your usual tension...say 3-5 lbs lower.

NXT is much softer and shoulder/elbow friendly. Also, even when it does lose some tension after extended play, it STILL plays extremely well...even in terms of control. You might lose a tiny bit, but not nearly as much as you'd suspect...and it's WAY easier on the arm.

So I still favour NXT for now. If you're going to try a polyester, string it 3-5 lbs lower, or use it in a hybrid with a softer string. My $ .02 !!
 

Cavaleer

Semi-Pro
Silky Sampras said:
Findings so far:

Find the Gosen Polylon comfort to be a good string; good sweet spot, crisp feel, very good tension maintenance. It is a very low powered string as it absorbs alot of energy from the ball, and it is hard on the arm for this reason. I'd get it strung a bit lower than your usual tension...say 3-5 lbs lower.

NXT is much softer and shoulder/elbow friendly. Also, even when it does lose some tension after extended play, it STILL plays extremely well...even in terms of control. You might lose a tiny bit, but not nearly as much as you'd suspect...and it's WAY easier on the arm.

So I still favour NXT for now. If you're going to try a polyester, string it 3-5 lbs lower, or use it in a hybrid with a softer string. My $ .02 !!


My experience with Gosen Polylon C was similar but my conclusions were different from yours. I strung it around 60 and did not like the looseness. The sweet spot was still very sweet but I needed another five pounds of tension to truly be able to enjoy the string.
From now on I'll always string my polys at 65 lbs., even Luxilon which is probably the stiffest and heaviest string I've ever used, it's one of the best I should also add.
 
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