PTPA official thread

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I think we need an official thread about PTPA - The Professional Tennis Players Association.
It would be nice to put aside our favorites players, and don't do fan wars here. Please talk just about happenings considering PTPA.


Oficial PTPA site:

Here you can get answers for most important questions on PTPA:

Official PTPA team:

Tweeter:



PTPA got support from many players associations, including major USA sports:

NHLPA (National Hockey League Players' Association)


NBPA (National Basketball Players Association)

NHLPA (National Hockey League Players' Association)

MLBPA (Major League Baseball Players Association)

MLSPA (Major League Soccer Players Association)

WPA (World Players Association)
 
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beard

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Player Letter

We, the Professional Tennis Players Association (PTPA), on behalf of the undersigned players of the ATP, are writing to express our concern with the ATP’s proposed 30-year plan (the “Plan”) and to request that any vote on the Plan be delayed until our questions have been answered in detail. The PTPA is committed to building a fair and sustainable competitive environment for players today, and for generations to come.
We believe professional tennis must have a strong, healthy, and competitive ATP that serves all of its stakeholders. However, the Plan is extremely vague about key issues including, but not limited to, a complete understanding for how it will affect revenues, health benefits, prize money, player image rights, and tournament commitments for the next 30 years.
For example, it appears the ATP seeks to profit from the players’ images and to retain “control of data rights” in order to generate revenue from “betting and non-betting markets.” We have serious questions about how the ATP plans to mine player data and who owns the data. The Plan may endanger each player's ability to build their personal brands and freely use their own name, image, and likeness for the next 30 years.
We agree with the ATP that the sport needs to generate revenue commensurate with its fan base and is in full support of a new plan that grows the sport. As the ATP points out in the Plan, “tennis ranks 4th in popularity worldwide, with more than 1 billion fans globally. However, it generates only 1.3% of the total value of global sports media rights.” The sport can do better.
We want to work with the ATP on a fair deal that ensures both players and tournaments can prosper going forward. We are asking for answers and transparency. If a goal of the Plan is a true partnership, answers and real transparency seems like a good place to start.
We are requesting information about specific questions because the answers could be the difference for hundreds of players earning a livelihood or not; therefore, we are demanding answers and an ability to do our diligence on these answers and follow ups, as needed. Rushing a vote on such an important and lasting plan is unnecessary and unfair to the players.
The Plan is scheduled to go into effect in January 2023, so there is no valid reason not to delay the vote until players’ questions are answered in detail. Last year, before the 30-year plan was delayed by COVID-19, ATP had planned to vote on it just seven months in advance, so there is plenty of time for thoughtful consideration.


Here are just some of the dozens of questions we have for the ATP:

- Why is the Plan 30 years?
- How will player data be mined and how will it be used?
- What benefit do the players receive for granting the ATP the right to mine and monetize their data?
- Do players share in the increased value to ATP Media?
- Do players share in the increased value to the tournaments?
- What has been negotiated with private equity firm CVC and how will it affect players?
- What added benefits (health, insurance, pension) will the players receive?
- What happens to the Plan if the ATP cannot aggregate rights with the Grand Slams, WTA & ITF?
- Why is the profit share being done on an aggregate and not individual tournament basis (seems to benefit the tournaments)?
- Why is it a profit share and not a revenue share?
- How is revenue defined in the profit share?
- How are expenses defined in the profit share?
- Why is infrastructure included as an expense?
- What is the projected timeline for when this new prize money formula will be applied to 500s and 250s?
- Why are the ATP events (ATP Cup, Next Gen ATP Finals, Nitto ATP Finals) not included in the proposed profit- sharing model?

30 years is a very long time. The Plan will have a lasting and profound effect on players today and for generations to come. We need transparency and answers to important questions. Until then, the vote must be delayed.
 

beard

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ATP STATEMENT REGARDING PTPA

Protecting and advancing the interests of players has been a core principle of the ATP since it was founded as a player association in 1972. In 1990, this was furthered through the formation of the ATP Tour, an equal partnership between players and tournaments. Through this, players obtained something unique in sports: an equal voice on every decision in the board room of the Tour.
Today, ATP management, together with the Board and the ATP Player Council, whose representatives are democratically elected by all players, work week-in and week-out to advance the interests of players. This includes the recent development of an ambitious Strategic Plan that has the potential to deliver game-changing benefits to players through strengthened top tier events, 50-50 profit sharing, increased prize money and bonus pool, full transparency of audited tournament financials, raised tournament standards and long-term stability for the Tour.
This constructive collaboration, which has seen the ATP Tour develop into one of the world’s leading sports & entertainment properties over the past 30 years, underscores our belief that the players’ interests, and those of the Tour as a whole, must and will continue to be protected under ATP governance.
By contrast, the creation of a separate player entity provides a clear overlap, divides the players, and further fragments the sport. Fragmentation has been consistently identified as the single biggest threat to tennis’ growth potential by leading experts, from within and beyond sports, which is something the ATP is currently working to address through the Strategic Plan, as well as through the new T-7 working group, with enhanced collaboration with the WTA, Grand Slams and ITF.
We also take this opportunity to highlight the numerous benefits associated with players being in good standing with ATP, including annual pension contributions, travel grants, insurance cover, bonus pool payments, player and medical services, and more. ATP will continue to do everything in its powers to protect the interest of its members, both players and tournaments, and the many livelihoods that the Tour supports.
 

beard

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Novak... Over 75% of ATP players are for PTPA...

After the victory over Tennis Sandgren, the Serbian ace was asked to reveal to journalists that there were a number of meetings regarding the PTPA.
"It wasn't just two meetings, much more. We reached all the players from the first 500, from the men's singles 350 and another 150 from the doubles, also to the tennis players, but things are going slower there"

He then revealed that his association has the support of a large majority.
"If I'm not mistaken, we have 75%, almost 80% of the support of 500 male players. They all signed the document to be in the PTPA. That's great news, but let's see what happens in the coming months. It will certainly be a few changes and we’ll talk about that”.

Djokovic says serious people are standing above the PTPAA.
"Several very rich and influential people from the USA support us financially, as well as with advice ... They participate in every conference call, help create the structure and basis of PTPA. We had several conversations with ATP, but until we set everything up, in "In terms of the structure and legislation of the PTPAA, there is no reason to talk at length with the ATP. When we are ready we will try to find a common language. The PTPA as a player association must work with the ATP and the WTA. That is inevitable," he concluded.
 

beard

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Players are obviously scared/careful to show they are in PTPA and that's reason why list of those that signed to PTPA is not published...

These are some question and answers from PTPA website:

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Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
I think we need an official thread about PTPA - The Professional Tennis Players Association.
It would be nice to put aside our favorites players, and don't do fan wars here. Please talk just about happenings considering PTPA.


Oficial PTPA site:

Here you can get answers for most important questions on PTPA:

Official PTPA team:

Tweeter:



PTPA got support from many players associations, including major USA sports:

NHLPA (National Hockey League Players' Association)


NBPA (National Basketball Players Association)

NHLPA (National Hockey League Players' Association)

MLBPA (Major League Baseball Players Association)

MLSPA (Major League Soccer Players Association)

WPA (World Players Association)
I support it.
 
Kyrgios is a nobody and has zero relevance in advancing the history of tennis.
Did you read the article written by John Newcombe, you’ll find it funny. He wrote that Kyrgios is one of the favourites to take the Wimbledon title and is the only player Djokivic is scared of and someone the Serbian dreads to play ….this is coming from a 7 time slam champion too :laughing:
 

CCPass

Semi-Pro
Did you read the article written by John Newcombe, you’ll find it funny. He wrote that Kyrgios is one of the favourites to take the Wimbledon title and is the only player Djokivic is scared of and someone the Serbian dreads to play ….this is coming from a 7 time slam champion too :laughing:
Which has zero relevance to the topic of this thread. Start your fan wars elsewhere.
 
Which has zero relevance to the topic of this thread. Start your fan wars elsewhere.
You seem to like causing arguments on here for no reason so I’ll just start ignoring you , I’ve stated my opinions on various topics and you’ve tried to cause numerous arguments because you're a closet Djokovic fan who’s under the guise of a Tsitsipas fan and then when challenged by myself you’ve had zero answers ( as I suspected you wouldn’t) so it’s Ciao for now.
 

beard

Legend
PTPA won the first big battle in improving tennis players status.
ATP answered some of their questions… Even if we put answers aside, the fact that
ATP recognizes the importance of PTPA and side to negotiate and explain them selveswith is a huge deal
It will be great ATP and PTPA to be friends, not enemies...


ATP answers to PTPA:




Last week we asked that the ATP acknowledge, accept, and respect the PTPA and to delay the vote on its 30-year (now 31-year) plan (the “Plan”).

We are very happy to report that the vote, for the time being, is delayed. Also, as you know, the ATP has responded to the detailed list of questions about the Plan with mostly thoughtful and helpful comments but with some remaining areas of concern.

You have likely read the letter the ATP sent to players on June 29, 2021 (the “Letter”) where the ATP made a number of statements about the 30-year plan and addressed a number of the questions posed by the PTPA.

The Letter notes external consulting groups have endorsed the Plan, but this is based on its ability to generate more revenue for tournaments.

The PTPA looks forward to working with the ATP on this initiative, however, our challenge will be creating a plan that will be fair to players and tournaments. There is nothing in the Plan to suggest that the consulting groups endorsed or even reviewed the Plan from the perspective of a fair deal to the players.

The same can be said for private equity groups. While it may signify the Plan looks to deliver growth, that does not mean the plan is fair for the players (might be the opposite).

In the Letter, the ATP uses terms such as “profit”, “growth of the businesses” and “revenue” almost interchangeably; however, these terms are different, and will have a significant effect on whether or not this is a fair deal for the players.

Below, the PTPA has provided its reaction to the ATP’s responses to our initial questions about the Plan.

Generally, we view the ATP’s responses in one of four categories:
1. Helpful and clarifying;
2. Helpful but need more input;
3. Unsatisfactory;
4. Outstanding questions yet to be answered.
 

beard

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HELPFUL AND CLARIFYING ANSWERS



How do the players continue to benefit from data exploitation in this new plan?


ATP RESPONSE:


With respect to this question, we want to clarify that we are referring to data as ‘match data’. As a general rule there are no intellectual property rights afforded to match data as it merely denotes or records a fact.
In the EU, the sui generis database rights regulation provides an exclusive right that protects databases against the unauthorised extraction and re-use of their content. Such database rights are retained by the entity that collects and compiles the database and invests in the cost and technology required to build a structured database. This right can then be licensed and delivered via a feed to external companies.
Importantly, this right can be protected and enforced only by the database owner. The market has shown that the value of data comes through it being leveraged, aggregated, and marketed collectively – there is no significant value to be generated in marketing data individually (and it cannot be protected individually).
The ATP’s entire data collection process and the rules that were put in place around it were designed to ensure that ATP was able to exploit these rights to their fullest extent on behalf of both the tournament and player members for their benefit.
Under the Strategic Plan, Tennis Data Innovations has been set up as a new entity dedicated to maximising data exploitation, as well as streaming, so that ATP, players & tournaments, can maximise our opportunity in this rapidly evolving area.
The establishment of TDI in 2021 has already delivered a 38% increase in gross sales of data and streaming revenues YTD compared to 2019 – these increases will be felt directly by the ATP player and tournament members in equal measure. All singles and doubles players that are eligible for the ATP pension receive these payments equally. In parallel, the new ATP leadership has secured additional savings for members by securing a 40% reduction in commission with our existing sales agent, via a new three-year deal, as opposed to the ten-year deal that was previously on the table.
In summary, while TDI is a new entity, there are no changes being proposed that impact the distribution of data revenues to players. Revenues from Level 1, 2 and 3 data (i.e., ‘match data’) will continue to be split equally between players and tournaments.
Of course, there are other forms of data, such as biometric data, which is a separate matter. Player biometric data is entirely out of scope and not being contemplated within current plans around the exploitation of data under Tennis Data Innovations.

PTPA COMMENTS:

We thank the ATP for this clarification. Subject to getting a full definition of “match data” it appears this answer has provided certainty to the players that other aspects of their rights of publicity are not being considered for exploitation.





What are the general plans proposed through Tennis Data Innovations?


ATP RESPONSE:


The investment in TDI is made for the medium and long-term and the products developed will be applicable across the entire Tour. The goal is that all members will benefit from the value generated. The benefits of this are being seen already in year 1, with a 38% increase in gross sales of data and streaming YTD compared to 2019.
Level 1 data (live scores, collected via umpire scoring) will continue to be a major focus for TDI in parallel with level 2 and 3 (performance data, collected by data loggers or data tracking service providers). The focus across the board will be on product development and innovation, pricing strategy, data collection and delivery, technological enhancements and more.
The team of experts within TDI will focus on the different areas that have the greatest potential for growth.
We need a fully dedicated team in this space in order to make the right decisions to maximise our value.

PTPA COMMENTS:

Again, we thank the ATP for this clarification. It is helpful for the players to better understand how TDI will operate and what rights of publicity they seek to obtain from the players.





Why is a vote required so soon if the Plan doesn’t come into effect until 2023?


ATP RESPONSE:


Firstly, as referenced in the timeline, there has been 18 months of communication and opportunities for consultation on the Strategic Plan since the beginning of 2020.
In order for the Plan to come into effect in 2023, all four pillars need to be approved by the end of this year in order to give tournaments a full year ahead of 2023 to accommodate the changes required across Prize Money/50-50 Profit Sharing, Category Terms, Calendar, and Rights Aggregation. We are in a strong position on 2.5 of the pillars, yet there remains a lot of work to be done this year in order for us to be in a position to move forward on all four. There is a huge opportunity out there for our sport, yet every year that we lose is a year that we fall behind.

PTPA COMMENTS:

We appreciate that the ATP has confirmed that a vote on the Plan does not need to happen until the end of 2021. This provides enough time, if the parties are committed to engaging in dialogue, to work out a fair deal for all parties. The PTPA looks forward to these conversations.





What is the status of outside investors or equity groups getting involved in the sport?


ATP RESPONSE:


The aggregation and centralisation of commercial rights in tennis has been an integral part of the ATP Strategic Plan to maximise growth and provide enhanced services to our worldwide fanbase.
The interest from outside groups, such as the recently publicized CVC proposal, validates the strategy we put forward in 2020 to our members. CVC is one of the leading and most credible investors in sports, with investment spanning the likes of Formula 1, Moto GP, Rugby and Football, for more than 20 years. Discussions with CVC are very much at exploratory stages and there is no commitment to proceed with CVC (or any third party) involvement at this stage. The Strategic Plan has attracted interest from many other potential investors, which only goes to support our belief that the Plan will deliver exponential growth for our sport and for our members – there would be no other reason for the interest from third parties.

PTPA COMMENTS:

We appreciate the response that all discussions are in the exploratory stage, and welcome further discussion with the ATP if/when these discussions go beyond exploratory to ensure that these investments will not hinder a fair deal to the players. Players do still have a concern that outside investors will only be interested in maximizing their ROI (return on investment) and therefore may push to limit expenses, which would include the players’ share of revenue.
 

beard

Legend
HELPFUL ANSWERS BUT MORE INPUT IS REQUIRED



Why doesn’t ATP centrally own the media rights? And how do players share in the increased value to ATP Media?


ATP RESPONSE:


Ownership of media rights in tennis is retained by tournaments. With that comes the significant financial liability for tournaments to deliver prize money, hospitality and all operational aspects of event delivery. This includes the risk of taking losses. Conversely, players have retained the ability to commercialise their personal brands through their own respective sponsorship deals and are assured of their prize money even if the tournaments make a loss. We must move forward on this basis.
In terms of ATP Media, its shareholders receive a license fee from their rights which form part of each tournament’s P&L. Beyond contributing to funding Base Prize Money, revenues from media rights will flow back to players in the form of 50-50 Profit Sharing, meaning players will benefit considerably if there is growth in the value of media rights at the Masters 1000s.
In summary, the Tour’s new commitment to auditing, transparency, and 50-50 Profit Sharing will ensure that the players have full sight of the revenues generated through media (as part of full P&L reporting), and that any upside flows back to players though 50-50 profit sharing. The move towards transparency, auditing and profit sharing, renders the ‘ownership’ of the media rights a technicality.

PTPA COMMENTS:

The players are not asking to retain broadcast rights in the tournaments. The ATP has said on a few occasions that the increase in value to ATP Media will be shared with the players. The players do not understand how players retaining their rights for sponsorship deals (as all other athletes do) has anything to do with this answer in any way.
However, we appreciate the ATP’s clarification but still want to confirm whether the license fee referenced is the entire portion of a tournament’s broadcast rights and furthermore, what portion of 500 and 250 media rights, that are or will become part of ATP Media, will flow to the tournaments P&L.



What happens to the Plan if the ATP cannot aggregate rights with the Grand Slams, WTA & ITF?

ATP RESPONSE:


Phase 2 does require a full collaboration with the other governing bodies of tennis and, as such, it is not fully in our own hands.
However, that does not change the merits of executing Phase 1 by any means. The execution of Phase 1, on its own, will be a major step forward for the ATP Tour. By design, the elements of Phase 1 are fully under ATP’s jurisdiction and if we can get an agreement on Phase 1 this year, it will constitute a huge step forward for our business.
Beyond super-aggregation, Phase 2 also aims to create an enhanced collaboration with the WTA, Grand Slams and ITF via a more unified governance, providing a stronger voice for players with all parties. The new T-7 governing body working group, set up this year, is the vehicle through which these discussions are being advanced.

PTPA COMMENTS:

We thank the ATP for clarifying that Phase 1 is in its control, but Phase 2 is not. This is helpful. However, while we appreciate that Phase 2 is not fully within the control of the ATP, the PTPA still would like to know what happens to the Plan if the ATP cannot aggregate these rights with the other parties.
Furthermore, the PTPA would like to know why the players do not have independent representation with this new T-7 working group, given the value players bring to the tennis industry.
 
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