Shuai Zhang vs Amarissa Kiara Toth Incident - Unedited Video

[jimmy8]

Do you expect your opponent to overrule an umpire decision if you complain long enough?

I would never expect my opponent to overrule an umpires "out" call and give me the point. I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Now, I know "you" would do it. That just goes without saying. As would every person on social media.

I'm just saying I've never seen it in real life

Here's another, there's so many! Do I need to go on?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=239321933761184

 

[tennis3]

So you lied. Shame on you.

You've proven me wrong. "Never" is incorrect.

You win. Well done.

But where the hell is the Nadal vs. that American guy in the Australian Open (or is that the video above that I can't see). Surely you need to include that one.

Would you like me to include a few? My Google machine works pretty well too.

 

[jimmy8]

You've proven me wrong. "Never" is incorrect.

You win. Well done.

But where the hell is the Nadal vs. that American guy in the Australian Open (or is that the video above that I can't see). Surely you need to include that one.

Would you like me to include a few? My Google machine works pretty well too.

The one you can't see has a link. Click on Video on Facebook. It's Djokovic. Yes, you should include some too. It's pretty fun.

 

[jimmy8]

Do you expect your opponent to overrule an umpire decision if you complain long enough?

I would never expect my opponent to overrule an umpires "out" call and give me the point. I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Now, I know "you" would do it. That just goes without saying. As would every person on social media.

I'm just saying I've never seen it in real life

Here's Nadal:

WATCH: Rafael Nadal concedes point after getting hit by Norrie at the net

Rafael Nadal showed off his sportsmanship by conceding a poi

tennis-infinity.com

 

[jimmy8]

Do you expect your opponent to overrule an umpire decision if you complain long enough?

I would never expect my opponent to overrule an umpires "out" call and give me the point. I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Now, I know "you" would do it. That just goes without saying. As would every person on social media.

I'm just saying I've never seen it in real life

Here's another:

https://www.**************.org/tenn...point-to-krajinovic-but-the-umpire-denies-it/

 

[Pass750]

So it was a mistake? The ball is halfway in and the umpire made a mistake and called it out? Even after inspecting the mark? A mark everyone on the internet can see as halfway in?

Interesting.

Umpires make bad calls all the time, simple explanation.

 

[jimmy8]

Do you expect your opponent to overrule an umpire decision if you complain long enough?

I would never expect my opponent to overrule an umpires "out" call and give me the point. I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Now, I know "you" would do it. That just goes without saying. As would every person on social media.

I'm just saying I've never seen it in real life

Here's an example of the opposite, but it's a good example of why not conceding is a bad idea. Rune is considered a bad guy because of this. Similar to why Toth is considered a bad person.

"If it were Alcaraz, he would have conceded the point" - Tennis fans call out Holger Rune for allegedly unsportsmanlike conduct amidst French Open controversy

Holger Rune's allegedly unsportsmanlike behavior during his French Open fourth-round match against Francisco Cerundolo has garnered criticism from tennis fans.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[tennis3]

Umpires make bad calls all the time, simple explanation.

They don't check marks where the ball is seemingly half way in and call it out. And they certainly don't do it by "mistake".

@jimmy8 any vidoe examples of umpires checking marks that are half way in and calling them out? You're really good at finding these things.

 

[jimmy8]

They don't check marks where the ball is seemingly half way in and call it out. And they certainly don't do it by "mistake".

@jimmy8 any vidoe examples of umpires checking marks that are half way in and calling them out? You're really good at finding these things.

I'm going to find a bunch for you. Coming up.

 

[tennis3]

Here's an example of the opposite, but it's a good example of why not conceding is a bad idea. Rune is considered a bad guy because of this. Similar to why Toth is considered a bad person.

"If it were Alcaraz, he would have conceded the point" - Tennis fans call out Holger Rune for allegedly unsportsmanlike conduct amidst French Open controversy

Holger Rune's allegedly unsportsmanlike behavior during his French Open fourth-round match against Francisco Cerundolo has garnered criticism from tennis fans.

www.sportskeeda.com

Tennis is a lot like golf in this respect. In golf, if you have a rules infraction, you absolutely call it on yourself. Because you know if anyone finds out, you'll be vilified for life. That's golf culture.

In tennis it's a bit different. You can always say "not my call. I'm playing tennis, not calling lines". But in a world where everything is being recorded and commented on social media, players are more likely to err on the side of making sure they don't get caught up in one of these things.

Think about that woman that had some kid asking for an autograph when she was on her way into the stands to her players box to celebrate her victory. Common sense says this isn't the time to have to be signing autographs. But players have to be aware of the perception and what it might look like on social media. It's tough, but it's reality.

I'm sure if Toth had it to do over again, she'd much rather look "magnanimous" and overturn the umpires call and give the point to Zhang. But it's hard to see "in the moment". I'm sure other players will take notice. Social Media and being publicly shamed is the new "scarlet letter". And her public response ("I did nothing wrong") shows that she doesn't have a PR team crafting these things for her. Of course, she did nothing wrong, but she has to be aware of what "the mob" is thinking.

 

[jimmy8]

Tennis is a lot like golf in this respect. In golf, if you have a rules infraction, you absolutely call it on yourself. Because you know if anyone finds out, you'll be vilified for life. That's golf culture.

In tennis it's a bit different. You can always say "not my call. I'm playing tennis, not calling lines". But in a world where everything is being recorded and commented on social media, players are more likely to err on the side of making sure they don't get caught up in one of these things.

Golf - don't cheat. Tennis - you can cheat, but only if no one is recording.

Think about that woman that had some kid asking for an autograph when she was on her way into the stands to her players box to celebrate her victory. Common sense says this isn't the time to have to be signing autographs. But players have to be aware of the perception and what it might look like on social media. It's tough, but it's reality.

Be nice because someone is recording, or be nice because it's a good thing?

I'm sure if Toth had it to do over again, she'd much rather look "magnanimous" and overturn the umpires call and give the point to Zhang. But it's hard to see "in the moment". I'm sure other players will take notice. Social Media and being publicly shamed is the new "scarlet letter". And her public response ("I did nothing wrong") shows that she doesn't have a PR team crafting these things for her. Of course, she did nothing wrong, but she has to be aware of what "the mob" is thinking.

If you see a ball in and the linesperson said out, and you concede the point, you are magnanimous. It's not 'doing the right thing,' it's more than that because you don't need to concede in tennis.

You know you don't make yourself look good when you keep saying over and over that it's ok to keep quiet when you know that someone was wronged and you are able to fix it. The person who got away with assault because you decided to keep quiet and not testify against him, he didn't go to jail and assaulted someone else. The second person who got assaulted could have been saved from that trauma, but you failed them.

 

[jimmy8]

Of course, she did nothing wrong, but she has to be aware of what "the mob" is thinking.

What about Rune? Why aren't you saying - Of course, he did nothing wrong

 

[jimmy8]

Of course, she did nothing wrong, but she has to be aware of what "the mob" is thinking.

What about Trump? He never conceded. Why aren't you saying - Of course, he did nothing wrong (Don't respond to this. This is just me trying to be funny, but failing.)

 

[tennis3]

You know you don't make yourself look good when you keep saying over and over that it's ok to keep quiet when you know that someone was wronged and you are able to fix it.

What is your thought on NBA players flopping? Should they correct the officials call and say "he didn't really foul me. I was flopping"?

How about in football? Should players call holding on themselves if the referee misses it? Wouldn't that be the right thing to do?

 

[jimmy8]

What is your thought on NBA players flopping? Should they correct the officials call and say "he didn't really foul me. I was flopping"?

How about in football? Should players call holding on themselves if the referee misses it? Wouldn't that be the right thing to do?

I hate the players who flop. I cringe when I see them flop. I scrunch my face in anger every time I see it. And I feel an intense anger towards the player who flopped.

The NBA actually addressed this flop thing. They started fining players for flopping. When the rule first came out, there were some fines. The last few years, I haven't seen any fines.

The NBA should allow replay for everything, I don't know why they have to limit it to only certain things, but they do. Replay would fix it, or at least most of it, because some might look like they got hit on camera.

Are floppers cheating? I say yes. Are cheaters going to fall, bruise their bodies, and maybe get injured, then immediately afterward, become an honest person and tell the ref that they flopped? Cheaters cheat, honest people don't flop in the first place.

Players who hold in football are cheaters. Cheaters don't do it, and then admit it. Honest people don't hold. Again, cheaters cheat, honest people don't cheat.

The NBA allows replay on line calls - like foot on the line, or ball on the line. Tennis could do the same, but chooses not to. We could have never had this whole thread if tennis allowed replay.

 

[tennis3]

I hate the players who flop. I cringe when I see them flop. I scrunch my face in anger every time I see it. And I feel an intense anger towards the player who flopped.

The NBA actually addressed this flop thing. They started fining players for flopping. When the rule first came out, there were some fines. The last few years, I haven't seen any fines.

The NBA should allow replay for everything, I don't know why they have to limit it to only certain things, but they do. Replay would fix it, or at least most of it, because some might look like they got hit on camera.

Are floppers cheating? I say yes. Are cheaters going to fall, bruise their bodies, and maybe get injured, then immediately afterward, become an honest person and tell the ref that they flopped? Cheaters cheat, honest people don't flop in the first place.

Players who hold in football are cheaters. Cheaters don't do it, and then admit it. Honest people don't hold. Again, cheaters cheat, honest people don't cheat.

The NBA allows replay on line calls - like foot on the line, or ball on the line. Tennis could do the same, but chooses not to. We could have never had this whole thread if tennis allowed replay.

How 'bout a Fresca?

 

[jimmy8]

How 'bout a Fresca?

A lot of people on the forums promising or offering drinks and not delivering. Very disappointing.

 

[jimmy8]

How 'bout a Fresca?

Failed promise:

If Carlos wins Wimbledon, I will delete my account river and buy everyone here a beer