Understanding just how unbelievable Navratilova really was at her peak in 83-84!

[suwanee4712]

By telling the truth about Hana Mandlikova?
Please explain.

BTW, Mandlikova won 514 and lost 181 matches.
Novotna was 526-208.
Almost the same - but Jana didn't play in an era where Jaeger and Shriver types could get to #3 and #4 ....

Condi

There's THE truth and then there's your truth. I think people have figured out by now the difference between the two............

Your lack of respect of a player of calibur of Mandlikova says a lot about you. And I'm confused as to why you would be so unkind Shriver. She did, after all, beat Steffi in New York during the year of her Golden Slam. Earlier that same year, she stretched Steffi to 7-6 in the third in Boca Raton.

I don't care to get into disparaging Jana or any other player. I'll leave that up to you. But without a doubt 1993-1999 will go down as the weakest time in womens tennis history. The actions of a madman in Hamburg, Germany made sure of that.

Really, you should've gotten some new material over the last couple of years. Your twisting of facts, incessant misuse of stats and context, and your taste for your own special Graf-tinted brand of revisionist history are as weak and transparent today as ever.

 

[Condoleezza]

... But without a doubt 1993-1999 will go down as the weakest time in womens tennis history. ....

Wimbledon final 1993.
Wimbledon final 1995.
USO final 1995.
FO final 1996.
FO final 1999.

5 absolute classics within 6 years.

Thanks, Dumbo ...


Condi

 

[suwanee4712]

Wimbledon final 1993.
Wimbledon final 1995.
USO final 1995.
FO final 1996.
FO final 1999.

5 absolute classics within 6 years.

Thanks, Dumbo ...


Condi

"Dumbo?" :razz: I'm laughing at you........

The 70's and 80's were filled with even more classics, and by players who rank higher on almost anyone's all time greatest list.

 

[Condoleezza]

"Dumbo?" :razz: I'm laughing at you........

The 70's and 80's were filled with even more classics, and by players who rank higher on almost anyone's all time greatest list.

Sadly almost no one remembers those "classics".
But people remember Novotna's tears in 93, the famous 13th game in the Wimbledon 95 final, Seles's return at USO 95 and the schooling of a ***** at FO 99. And they will even in 20 years ....

Condi

 

[suwanee4712]

Sadly almost no one remembers those "classics".
But people remember Novotna's tears in 93, the famous 13th game in the Wimbledon 95 final, Seles's return at USO 95 and the schooling of a ***** at FO 99. And they will even in 20 years ....

Condi

Perhaps in your own little world, which you're very good at building and then shutting out reality. Those "classics" will stand the test of time. Just as maybe one or two of the matches you listed will.

 

[tennus]

By telling the truth about Hana Mandlikova?
Please explain.

BTW, Mandlikova won 514 and lost 181 matches.
Condi

Condi, you seem to have a thing for dismissing the achievements of Hana Mandlikova. She was an incredible player with Grand Slam wins over Navratilova, Evert and Graf. She was, in my and others opinion an under achiever due to injury. Many of her losses came post her last GS victory in the 1987 AO. It is also well known that Hana was forced to recreate herself as a player due to a chronic back injury in the early 1980's. You point out the demolition job Steffi did on her in the 88 AO Q/F. Post 87 Hana was struggling to string matches together in tournaments and it was not unusual for her to capitulate badly mid tournament to the truly great players.........Navratilova, Graf, Evert. She also fell to some average players. In an extract from her autobiography "Hana"(1989) she says,"The game is going to change when Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova retire and no one should underestimate the marvellous advertisement they have been for womens tennis. The emphasis of the game could switch to Europe, with Steffi heading the cast of top European players. Steffi is already on record as hinting that she does not wish to stay in the game as long as Chris and Martina have. It is not easy to retain your eagerness, motivation, or even health, for a ten year span." Given this book was published in 1989 - quite an insight I believe.

 

[VikingSamurai]

Yes, all these mixed doubles titles at AO in the 60ies - awesome ...

Condi

Huh?.. Margaret Court has way more singles titles, doubles titles, and mixed titles that even Steffi could ever dream about..

Condi why do you always do this to yourself?

Next you are going to try and tell me that the colour black is actually white??.. Forget about tennis for a minute.. I want you to prove to me that the colour white is really black!.. And I am serious with this request!

 

[obanaghan]

Martina is supposed to be the subject of this thread. MN put together an unbelievable string of losing but 3 matches over the two year period and winning every major tournament(at least once) including 6 slams in a row!!

Adding in 1982 she only lost 6 matches in 3 years!! That's 8/12 Slams won. She won more Slams in 3 years than Hingis, Venus etc EVER did.

MN is right that hard work should count for something!!

 

[CEvertFan]

Martina is supposed to be the subject of this thread. MN put together an unbelievable string of losing but 3 matches over the two year period and winning every major tournament(at least once) including 6 slams in a row!!

Adding in 1982 she only lost 6 matches in 3 years!! That's 8/12 Slams won. She won more Slams in 3 years than Hingis, Venus etc EVER did.

MN is right that hard work should count for something!!

During Martina's domination period she was SO much more fit than any other woman tennis player that she felt like she could run forever and get to any ball and serve and volley all day and then she started winning everything in sight because of her amazing fitness and her confidence soared as a result. The mental side of Martina's game was more of a weakness for her than anything else but she did become stronger in that regard.