Wimbledon is a shame and joke!

[Lendl and Federer Fan]

You are a woman too, ouch, can I take back some of my shots??
I learn and master a few words from you, thanks.

I am most certainly not trying to impress you because I don't know you or care who you date or marry. I replied to a post you made which I felt was trollish. If you can't deal with this,you have the option of not responding. I am just having a debate on a tennis forum so I have nothing to be pissed about.


It really does not matter to me whether you are racist or not, I did not even figure that into the equation. If you disliked the word "dense", I'll just rephrase the whole sentence. I might as well go outside and talk to the curb. Did that give you a better understanding? You can put as many spins on it as you wish but the end result is the same.


I have no idea where Herman Park is and I don't really have any hommies but thanks for the thought.


You are free to continue to troll and use the word "slow","dense","tart","idoit","imbecile" or any other word that you choose.


P.S..... In order for me to be a Father I'd have to have a sex change. I'd have to decline though,I am very happy being of the female persuasion.

 

[Raiden]

Didn't you read the last couple of paragraph's? I know most of it talks about what Ivan did but it also discusses what he could've done had the field been weaker. So what's the point of that? Saying he's great but if the other greats weren't around he'd be even greater? Load of hogwash to me.

BTW that article would've had to have been around since 1999 for it to be accurate because that's when Pete had 12 and i seriously doubt you've seen it around for that long.

I honestly can't remember whether I've seen it in 1999 or before or after but in any case it's possible - I have been on the internet since 1994, i.e. probably before you were born (you must be a kid if you think that 1999 is, quote "that long" ago.

 

[Lendl and Federer Fan]

This dumb thread is still going? Apparently the moment Federer stops winning at Wimbledon, it becomes a joke. Nevermind the fact that all of Fed's Wimbledon wins came from slow grass.

Thanks to not so dumb people like you, it is still alive, and we are having good debate on this modern wimbbieton crap grass. Do you have anything interesting to add, or just like to show up and shout a few dumb words without understanding what others have contributed so far. :wink:

It is modern crap grass, got it? Stop using federer as the excuse to defend nada and the new wimmbie clay grass here!

 

[vortex1]

Thanks to not so dumb people like you, it is still alive, and we are having good debate on this modern wimbbieton crap grass. Do you have anything interesting to add, or just like to show up and shout a few dumb words without understanding what others have contributed so far. :wink:

It is modern crap grass, got it? Stop using federer as the excuse to defend nada and the new wimmbie clay grass here!

For the last time, Wimbledon is not clay. There are less service breaks and more aces than in USO. How can it be clay when absolute clay mugs who don't last until second week in RG make deep Wimbledon runs? Just because your precious serve-and-volley style isn't used anymore, doesn't mean that Wimbledon sucks, clay, etc. It's still too much of an ace fest for my liking.

 

[Lendl and Federer Fan]

Didn't you read the last couple of paragraph's? I know most of it talks about what Ivan did but it also discusses what he could've done had the field been weaker. So what's the point of that? Saying he's great but if the other greats weren't around he'd be even greater? Load of hogwash to me.

BTW that article would've had to have been around since 1999 for it to be accurate because that's when Pete had 12 and i seriously doubt you've seen it around for that long.

Yeah, you should able to tell that article has not been updated for a while, but certainly the author has valid points. I was too lazy to bother with a few dumb kids, so I used it to scare them away.

 

[Lendl and Federer Fan]

For the last time, Wimbledon is not clay. There are less service breaks and more aces than in USO. How can it be clay when absolute clay mugs who don't last until second week in RG make deep Wimbledon runs? Just because your precious serve-and-volley style isn't used anymore, doesn't mean that Wimbledon sucks, clay, etc. It's still too much of an ace fest for my liking.

A serving fest would be too boring too. How about a right balance, not too fast like now but low bounce like before to give players the incentive to come to finish the point at the net?? Would 50% crap grass and 50% old grass do the trick, and it should not be too difficult/expensive to implement?



stay slow like now yet low bounce like the old grass?

 

[ksbh]

I agree with the OP. When a baseliner wins 6 titles in 8 years, it's a shame and an utter joke! Speed up the grass!

 

[Sharpshooter]

I honestly can't remember whether I've seen it in 1999 or before or after but in any case it's possible - I have been on the internet since 1994, i.e. probably before you were born (you must be a kid if you think that 1999 is, quote "that long" ago.

I didn't say it's not possible to be around before 1999, I said I doubt you've seen it 11 years ago. Even if you did, you wouldn't remember reading something from 11 years ago, I certainly can't remember what I read 11 years ago because believe it or not, 11 years is actually a long time. It's not like remembering a tennis match or a wedding, it's a freaking internet article written by a biased author who concludes with a rediculous point. Man, I would win 25 slams if the field was weak enough, I suppose I better write an article now and tell everybody that.

As for you being on the net since 1994, well congratulations sir you are a true hero to society! Let's stop the presses!

 

[plum556]

You are a woman too, ouch, can I take back some of my shots??
I learn and master a few words from you, thanks.

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[Lendl and Federer Fan]

Good points!

I'm not sure how old you are - but many people hated what Wimbledon had become in the 90's. You can look at the news articles about Wimbledon being dubbed as the "World serving championships". If the game had more serve and volleyers like Rafter who used a serve as a setup shot and not as the point ending weapon, I don't think the backlash would have been quite as bad. (yes, I know his serve was still a weapon, but not anywhere near the other big servers)

Quite frankly, it makes no sense for Wimbledon to cater to the minority of people who actually liked Sampras/Krajicek/Rusedski/Ivanisevic serving ace after ace. (Ivanisevic was entertaining because of his personality - not because of his game)

Given the three epic finals we've had the previous three years and some great five setters this year, I fail to see why Wimbledon would bother to go back.

Serve and volley is dead and never coming back. It died when technology made the 'serve' portion of 'S&V' too powerful and an overwhelming weapon. People like the ones named above abused the serve and consequently Wimbledon was forced to neuter the serve the only way they could -slow the courts, use heavier balls, etc - that's all there's to it.

I've argued in other threads that the rules of tennis should be fundamentally changed to prevent 'big servers' from ever making their serves into an overpowering weapon - but that's a discussion for another thread.

 

[Lendl and Federer Fan]

Good points!

The problem with the solution that the tennis community came up with is that it is only partially successful. Sure slowing down the court surface and providing higher bounce would favor the baseline player, but it does not slow down the ball when it is travelling through the air, again making it easier for the baseliner to pass an on-coming net-rusher, two strikes against the S&V player.

To retain the balance of power they needed to outlaw the additional power and spin generated by the new equipment. The game was going to get more powerful anyway with the influx of bigger, faster and stronger athletes taking up the sport. Maintain the integrity of the court surfaces and allow game to be played the way it was meant to be played.

If these new players need more surface area on their rackets to hit the ball fine... increase it to 90 sq/in but limit the output of power and spin that the rackets and strings can generate.

I would like to see a Wimbledon where the ball plays fast and low... where a delicate dropshot will die on the court. There was an artistry to the way the game of old was played on grass. For those of you that enjoy a battle of attrition from the baseline you could enjoy the slow high bouncing play of the French Open. For everyone else... there would be something inbetween either with the USO or the AO.

Fix the equipment... the venues themselves were fine.

 

[Lendl and Federer Fan]

For the last time, Wimbledon is not clay. There are less service breaks and more aces than in USO. How can it be clay when absolute clay mugs who don't last until second week in RG make deep Wimbledon runs? Just because your precious serve-and-volley style isn't used anymore, doesn't mean that Wimbledon sucks, clay, etc. It's still too much of an ace fest for my liking.

A serving fest would be too boring too.  How about a right balance, not too fast like now but low bounce like before to give players the incentive to come to finish the point at the net??  Would 50% crap grass and 50% old grass do the trick, and it should not be too difficult/expensive to implement. 

vortex said she had the final word on this topic, with one less troll here to water down this, how about we settlefor/find a happy medium for the next new wimbbie crap clay, do you agree the new grass clay hybrid should be:

stay slow like now yet low bounce like the old grass?  

 

[Murrayfan31]

They should use the courts that France used for Davis Cup. Forget the grass. Glorious fast court tennis.

 

[rocket]

I agree with the OP. When a baseliner wins 6 titles in 8 years, it's a shame and an utter joke! Speed up the grass!

oh i'm sure the "baseliner" that you're talking about would do just fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEysBocPWOE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=948s4XWEfAY